The Quranic Salat by brother hamza abdul malik a former sunni for 46 years!
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Abraham is a MUSALLAN, please check Surah 2125,
corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=125#(21251)
Surely your not suggesting Abraham is a church, mosque etc...?
Not even Sunni kafirs say this, they say it's his place of prayer, and mushriks today also call there prayer mat this same word too.
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Abraham is a Musallan a man who has pledged his allegiance to THE GOD alone.
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No. I do not claim that Abraham is a building nor did I say that musalla is one. I said that musalla refers to a lesson. It was a mindful lesson in his example. You can HOLD a musalla iN a church, mosque etc I said. You need to diminish the human fixation with the concrete.
If you read my post regarding it you would see what I suggested.
Salateh refers to guidance and musalla refers to such inspiration you gain from a narrative. The whole Quran and its information can be said being salat.
Salaam
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Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 125
And We assigned the assembly a model for the spiritual and a vision and a way of life from the lesson of what Abraham established and we covenanted with Abraham and Ishmael to sanctify (or keep firm) the assembly for joiners and members and humbly submissive.
Disclaimer Used translation source from Lane's Lexicon. Various words may hence be inaccurate, but I picked the most logical words to form a coherent translation.
is translated above in an experimental way. The word is rather than what lexicons state a combination of a prefix alif + the root , the same that (common preposition) is taken from. It means something like 'Be Thereof (Like)' to realize yourself in something and why 'amin' has traditionally been used in prayers because you say something like "may it be so". Not sure if vision is equal to realization, but I saw no better choice. I hope you see what I meant in the translation.
And in this you see what musalla is.
Salaam
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Peace, musallan which is a specific form of the word, only referring to the person who is establishing the salat. So a musallan is a person who is himself establishing salat, he's following the orders of THE GOD and carrying them out, hence musallan.
Guidance is not salat quranically speaking, we all know "hudan" and similar pronoun-citations to be guide/guided/guiding etc...
Your making new meanings out of this word musallan/salat and interpretating something which is not there.
Peace.
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Huda means grace/blessing/gift. There is a misconception about it. You can even check classical Arabic dictionaries to see the word can have that connotation. And Arabic words do not have more than one basic meaning.
And no, I am not making new meanings. That a gathering where the faith is preached is called Musalla is quite widely known. It is only that the word salat has become synonymous with prayers which is not true.
Obviously, you are the Musalla agent if you are teaching people about faith. GOD/The Rabb or angels are often the agents as well, you can find passages where they are written to give lessons/perception to the prophet.
It is easy to accuse people you disagree with to make up meanings. But you can find this reasoning carrying weight and it is a project I have been working on for quite some time.
I really urge you to contemplate about the root's usage in the allegedly praying birds. Please also read up on in a lexicon like Lane's where you can get an idea on what I wrote about.
Musalla is surely synonymous with communion. Is it about sharing knowledge/perception.
Salaam
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peace,
Peace, musallan which is a specific form of the word, only referring to the person who is establishing the salat. So a musallan is a person who is himself establishing salat, he's following the orders of THE GOD and carrying them out, hence musallan.
Can you provide a reference for the above?
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Peace wakas, according to you musallan is what exactly? Surah 2125 as stated above, Abraham is a musallan, in Surah 7022 al musalina is used, plural, people who establish salat.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=70&verse=22
Prophet Abraham was not a mosque, church or any other false charge made against him, neither did he build polytheist pagan temples in mecca.
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I note that in your reply here and in the other thread you never answered my questions. This suggests to me you are not here to discuss honestly and learn. I hope that this is not the case, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Here is a note from brother uq (forum member here)
?musallaa? is of the form ?mufa33al? which is the passive participle derived from Form II (fa33ala).
There are two meanings to ?sallaa? 1. ?to pray, or, to perform salaah?, and 2. ?to give blessings.?
Now, neither of these two meanings can admit the form ?musallaa? as a passive participle because the first is intransitive and the second doesn?t take a direct object.
However, both these meanings do admit the form ?musallaa? as a ?noun of time or place?, which would give them the meanings of 1. ?the time or place of salaah?, and 2. ?the time or place of giving/invoking blessings?.
In your translation, you seem to have rendered "musallan" as the singular of "musalleen" - evidence/reasoning?
Scroll down to part 7 here for the singular.Even in your link to corpus, it separates the word forms. Perhaps you should consider why that is.
To understand my rendering of 2125 you will have to read this article
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html2125 And We made the shelter to be a place of reward/return/gathering for the people and a security. And take (to yourselves) from the stance/status of Abraham a time/place of blessing. And We entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael "You shall purify My shelter for those who visit, and those devoting/residing, and the yielding/bowing, the acknowledging/submitting."
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Peace wakas
597, THE GOD has made the ankle (of animals) the sanction (in) the system an establishment for MANKIND...
Notice if you read the full context of passages from 594-97, this law being discussed about illegally killing animals is for mankind.
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Otherwise albayt alharam may also refer to sanctified (approved of) assembly which sounds slightly more sensible.
Al-bayt refers to inhabitants of somewhere and I call them an assembly based on the context of Quran.
How is ankle of animals sensible in any way?
Salaam
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Peace manoffaith
Al haram I only accept sanction for this word and I completely reject this notion of sacred/holy being ascribed to this word, I'm not sure you feel the same way?
Qudus would be holy/sacred from the Quran.
I don't accept house/home for bayt, I'm sending you a link.
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Salaam,
You are right. Only sanctified is true for haram. I do not think I wrote anything else.
The literal interpretation (letter by letter) for (haram) is "Good Constitution Thereof" which correlates fairly well with sanctified. With easier words you can say it refers to "goodly/approved of".
Quds could be holy, but I think literally it refers to purity, i.e. ruh al-quds the pure spirit. Of course does holy imply something is totally pure. Spirit is by the way a slightly poor definition for 'ruh'. It is more like (abstract) force or something, an "attacher" or assembler.
The traditional "Holy Spirit" refers to what sustains life in the universe and makes it run like a self-sustaining platform. The Holy Spirit has caused the direction of evolution for example.
You are right that "bayat" does not refer to a building, but it does refer to a collective like an assembly.
Salaam
