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"Al Tawratu" is another name for "Al Quran"

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    unknownuser
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    Peace.

    "Al Tawratu" means the law, it's simply another name for the Quran. A Muslim would hold the Quran and say "this is the law, the Tawratu!". It's not referring to fabricated books of Jews and Christians.

    Ponder this, 136 times "Musa" is mentioned in the Quran never with the word "Tawratu" next to him, nor in any same text either, please correct me if I'm wrong.

    According to Surah 544 the prophets in plural judged by the Tawratu including Moses and Muhammad, he was the "khatama al nabiyina" correct? Why are you disregarding him? Quranically the Tawratu was revealed after Abraham 365.

    In Surah 543, People are coming to Muhammad for judgement, their rebuked and told they have the Tawratu, why are you coming to Muhammad? Sunnis and some people who "reject Hadith" who still use Sunni Hadith explain this by some Jews coming to Muhammad for a stoning law, this helps Sunnis with their fabrication of stoning, matched the puzzles? Show me where it says "Jews" only came to him, not just people in general?

    When you read this text "Tawratu" in context of being sent down before, that was the law given to that prophet at his time it's not talking about other peoples books.

    When you read it as in today and as in Surah 543, it refers to the Quran and we are to believe that "Tawratu" is the Quran, simply another name which means "The Law".

    I'm sure your all aware how Sunni explain away the "Injila & Tawratu" to Jews and Christians, yes by Hadith.

    Peace.

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      mmkhan
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      Peace.

      "Al Tawratu" means the law, it's simply another name for the Quran. A Muslim would hold the Quran and say "this is the law, the Tawratu!". It's not referring to fabricated books of Jews and Christians.

      Ponder this, 136 times "Musa" is mentioned in the Quran never with the word "Tawratu" next to him, nor in any same text either, please correct me if I'm wrong.

      Peace,

      I agree. AlTauraata was revealed 33 same as alFurqaana 34, exactly same words are used. So, if alTauraata is a book then alFurqaana is also another book.

      According to Surah 544 the prophets in plural judged by the Tawratu including Moses and Muhammad, he was the "khatama al nabiyina" correct? Why are you disregarding him? Quranically the Tawratu was revealed after Abraham 365.

      In Surah 543, People are coming to Muhammad for judgement, their rebuked and told they have the Tawratu, why are you coming to Muhammad? Sunnis and some people who "reject Hadith" who still use Sunni Hadith explain this by some Jews coming to Muhammad for a stoning law, this helps Sunnis with their fabrication of stoning, matched the puzzles? Show me where it says "Jews" only came to him, not just people in general?

      Sorry I disagree. Why? Please take a look at this thread.

      May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
      mmKhan

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        Hizbullah
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        Salam,

        Like mmKhan, I concur with you. In fact the Book that was sent to the Last Prophet is the second addendum of the Book of Musa - the Furqan.

        Peace,

        I agree. AlTauraata was revealed 33 same as alFurqaana 34, exactly same words are used. So, if alTauraata is a book then alFurqaana is also another book.

        Sorry I disagree. Why? Please take a look at this thread.

        May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
        mmKhan

        Bro mmkhan, I used not to agree with you but now I do, because you are right that "Muhammad" is not the name of the Last Prophet. It is an attribute to him. He has other name / names.

        Salam

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          Man_of_Faith
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          I do not know why I bother, but towrateh is the revelation to Moses whereas the Injeel is the elaboration to .

          Towrateh is very brief and only some spiritual guidelines and short supplementary information.

          Quran is a separate compilation, no matter when it was compiled, but since it speaks of towrateh and Moses in the past tense Quran ought to have been presented later than it.

          Quran confronts the 'Children of Israel' very much and sectarianism so it is likely to be the main targets.

          Salaam

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            Man_of_Faith
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            And the Old Testament is not the Towrateh. It was the instruction on stone tablets (which seem long lost) which was it and those statutes inscribed on them. The rest is hadith.

            Salaam

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              mmmm
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              I heard that theory also that there has always been just one book and it is Quran, injeel, tawrat are just other names for it just like furqan...and translated mean the law and the good news.

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                runninglikezebras
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                I heard that theory also that there has always been just one book and it is Quran, injeel, tawrat are just other names for it just like furqan...and translated mean the law and the good news.

                This is how I understand those words as well. Law (10 commandments), good news (evangelical message). Unfortunately none of those are still available in an uncorrupted format.

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                  mmmm
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                  I understand it in the sense that the law and the good news are contained in the Quran in an uncorrupted form. It could be that the message was always the same. Also Tewrat is not connected with Moses - nowhere in the Quran it is said that it is given to him. People think by default it is given to Moses but to him are given the book, and furqan... (253; 6154) in the explanations of the book it is as if he was given the Quran.
                  It could be that it was always only one and the same book.

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                    bluefire7640
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                    And before it was the book of Msa to lead and as a mercy. And this is a confirming Book in an 'Arabc tongue to warn those who have wronged and as good tidings to the doers of good. (4612)

                    And He will teach him the book and the wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel (34

                    Msa received the Torah (kitbu Msa) and s ibn Marym and Muammad confirmed it!

                    And We sent, following in their footsteps, s ibn Marym, confirming what is between his hands of / from the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. (546)

                    wa salaam

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                      mmmm
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                      As I said it is preconcieved notion that Musa received Torah. Nowhere in Quran it is said that. He did recieve The BOOK (253; 287; 691; 6154...)

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                        reel
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                        If you just notice the ethics given in all the books you will find them very similar. I have thought about this thing again and I have come to conclusion that they have to be separate books because of the history. Torah and Bible don't mention the story of Prophet Muhammad because he came after them. Similarly, Torah can't talk about Jesus because he came after it. But what binds them together is "guidance" for mankind.
                        I ask myself this question a lot
                        Do you think Adam would have eaten Eve out of hunger if he were not sent with "how to be a human" guidance?

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