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Different Meaning (51:17)

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    Trackertm
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    Salaam.

    Ayah's meaning i vastly different than most. Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with that. But I don't get how did translator (is it Layth?) did translate it this way. Can somebody provide the linguistic explanation?

    Salaam.

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      salaam/peace,

      Yes, Layth is the translator.

      Are you sure it is verse 5117 as it seems similar to other translations

      Transliteration (English)
      5117 Kanoo qaleelan mina allayli mayahjaAAoona

      Edip-Layth-Martha (Quran A Reformist Translation)
      5117 They used to rarely sleep the whole night.

      The Monotheist Group (The Quran A Monotheist Translation)
      5117 They used to rarely sleep the whole night.

      Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
      5117 they would lie asleep during but a small part of the night,

      Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
      5117 Rarely did they sleep the whole night.,

      Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
      5117 And rarely did they fall asleep at night without reflection.3

      M. M. Pickthall They used to sleep but little of the night,

      Shakir They used to sleep but little in the night

      Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) They were in the habit of sleeping but little by night,

      Perhaps you clarify what it is exactly.

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Salaam.

        As you can see in translations, Layth's meaning is vastly different for me.

        They slept little in the night, (5117, Ahmed Ali)

        They used to rarely sleep the whole night. (5117, Edip Y?ksel & Layth)

        Is it just the same? Maybe I have some problems in understanding grammar.
        Layth's meaning is like, they sleep but not whole night all the time. The other one is they sleep "little" in night.

        If Layth's meaning is like this "They used to rarely sleep in the whole night." than I can clearly understand it. But maybe it's just my problem.

        Salaam on you brother.

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          Peace,

          I think your translation is superior to Layth/Yuksels for this verse. Their translation often still contains traces of other translations they used to create their own. A methodology that is failed to begin with. This is really sad because they claim to reject hadith but at the same time just copied hadith inspired injected words in their translations. They are often injected in older translations to align Quranic translations with their contradictory hadith.

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            Peace,

            I think your translation is superior to Layth/Yuksels for this verse. Their translation often still contains traces of other translations they used to create their own. A methodology that is failed to begin with. This is really sad because they claim to reject hadith but at the same time just copied hadith inspired injected words in their translations. They are often injected in older translations to align Quranic translations with their contradictory hadith.

            Salaam.

            I think for most of us Sunnism/Shiaism inspired us for at least a little during our lives. So I cannot blame the two for traces. But I don't really know what these traces are. If we leave Edip&Layth's (that is probably based on "The Monotheistic Translation&quot The Monotheistic Translation is maybe the best translation (English) I've ever read. I usually compare while reading (in 8-10 translations, most of them in Turkish) to see other aspects and true meaning of ayah, and Layth's translation is look and feel different than most. But that's my opinion.

            What's interesting is, in this ayah "Edip Yuksel's Turkish" translation contradicts with Monotheistic and even Layth&Edip translation, if I don't get it wrong. But note that I don't know the E. Yuksel's Turkish translation's publish date, maybe he did change it.

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