The Search for Muhammad has Ended
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You see the blue circle I have placed on that map? Here's the deal ALL the events mentioned in the Quran took place there. ALL the prophets lived and preached there. Noah, Abraham, Lot, Jacob, the Israelites, Moses , Esau (not Jesus), David, Solomon, Muhamad....They were ALL there. So are the places mentioned in the Quran. Baka, Aad (the descendants of Noah's people), Sheba, Thamud, al- Tur (where God spoke to Moses), the Holy Sacntuary....They are ALL there. Arabic, the ancient, perrenial and "fitri" tongue of mankind emerged from there. The 'Garden" of Adam was there, in the Heights. HUMAN LIFE AS WE KNOW IT BEGAN THERE. This is the truth that you people are refusing to accept.
Salam all
Pazuzu,
In the Holy Quran Chapter 37 - FM Translation
3775
And Noah had called upon Us, for We are the best to respond.
3776
And We saved him and his family from the great disaster.
3777
And We made his progeny the one that remained.
3778
And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779
Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.
3780
It is such that We reward the righteous.
3781
He is of Our believing servants.
3782
Then We drowned the others.
3783
And from his clan was Abraham.
3784
For he came to his Lord with a pure heart.
3785
When he said to his father and his people What are you worshiping?
3786
Is it fabricated gods, instead of GOD that you want?
3787
What do you say of the Lord of the worlds?
3788
Then he looked towards the stars.
3789
And he said I am ill!
3790
So they turned away from him and departed.
3791
He then went to their gods and said Can you not eat?
3792
What is the matter, you do not speak?
3793
So he then turned on them, striking with his hand.
3794
Then they approached him outraged.
3795
He said Do you worship what you carve?
3796
While GOD has created you, and all that you make!
3797
They said Build for him a structure, and then throw him into its fire.
3798
So they wanted to plan against him, but We made them the losers.
3799
And he said I am going to my Lord; He will guide me.
37100
My Lord, grant me from among the righteous.
37101
So We gave him good news of a compassionate child.
37102
And when he grew enough to work with him, he said My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think? He said O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient.
37103
So when they both had submitted, and he was laid by his forehead.
37104
And We called him O Abraham,
37105
You have carried out the vision. It was such that We rewarded the righteous.
37106
Surely, this was an exacting test.
37107
And We ransomed him with a great animal sacrifice.
37108
And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109
Peace be upon Abraham.
37110
It is thus that We reward the righteous.
37111
He was of Our believing servants.
37112
And We gave him the good news of the coming of Isaac, a prophet from among the righteous.
37113
And We blessed him and Isaac. And from among their progeny, some are righteous, and some are clearly wicked.
37114
And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
37115
And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
37116
And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
37117
And We gave both the clear Book.
37118
And We guided them to the straight path.
37119
And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120
Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.
37121
We thus reward the righteous.
37122
Both of them were among Our believing servants.
37123
And Elias was one of the messengers.
37124
When he said to his people Would you not be righteous?
37125
Would you call on Baal and forsake the best Creator?
37126
GOD is your Lord, and the Lord of your fathers of old!
37127
But they denied him. Thus they were called to account.
37128
Except for the devoted servants of GOD.
37129
And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130
Peace be upon the family of Elias.
37131
We thus reward the righteous.
37132
He was one of our believing servants.
37133
And Lot was one of the messengers.
37134
When We saved him and all his family.
37135
Except an old woman who remained.
37136
Then, We destroyed the rest.
37137
And you pass by their ruins in the morning;
37138
And in the night. Do you not comprehend?Prophet Muhammad was residing in a location where his ancestors were, that is, the Prophets Noah, Abraham, Ishaq, Elias. . And he were at the location of Shuaib
Nothing is mentioned about the other Prophets mentioned AQ 0683 -89 besides the Prophets mentioned above!
Further
The bless land as dictated in the Holy Quran was very closed to Saba . As we already know that Saba was located somewhere in South Arabia, very close to the Israelite Kingdom. And that the Prophet Sulaiman had been to the bless land from his kingdom by means of the wind that he controlled.
AQ 2181 And to Solomon the wind, blowing forcefully, proceeding by his command toward the land which We had blessed. And We are ever, of all things, Knowing.
The continuation of the above verse is AQ 3412
And to Solomon the wind - its morning - a month - and its departure a month, and We made a flight for him eyeing the territory.....
So, the journey from his kingdom to the bless land, in flight by the winds took him the whole morning, which is about, say, a 4 hours journey, approximately 2000 or so km and that, if he were to go on a land journey, equivalent to 2000 or so km, it will take him a month, assuming if he rides on a young fit camel, which can travel 70 km/day.
Since his kingdom was near Sheba, which is in South Arabia, it shows that the Blessed Land can only be located more than 2000 km North, which is, some where in the Levant!
ALLAH KNOWS BEST
Hello,
what proof do you have for that claim?
And which blue circle and which map you are talking about in your post?
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Off topic for a moment, has pazazu left the forum or is he still doing research on the topic?
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Peace be upon all
Hi I'm new here yay.
I am not archaeologist, historian or expert in related mater.I used this thread because it seems served as brother pazuzu starting points to further elaborate his truth in many threads. I might say, this thread, thought provoking at first, then (as he used to say to other who did not support his truth ) garbage propaganda!! let's contemplate...
several bold statements from Pazuzu worth noted
I will expose to you one of the greatest delusions that humanity has ever been led to believe
I will reveal to you the greatest historical and geographical forgery that humanity has ever known. And its implications will cause the shock of a lifetime for many of you.
?Our entire history has been a lie?
it merely saying "The greatest truth that humanity should believed, the greatest historical dan geographical truth humanity should know, the truth of entire humanity history" is of brother pazuzu geographical and (his) stori-cal truth )
Brother pazuzu, are you even certified historian? or perhaps certified archaeologist? certified linguist?
because there are differences you know. Simply quoting several hadith phrases from well known historian, archaeologist books, blogs, googling some pictures, corresponding directly with several historian does not make you an expert an history. Are you claiming greatest truth of human history based on research using google?, perhaps some incomplete online journals? some phrases in hardcopy you find/buy in library or amazon. Sorry brother, did you ever literally dig? or in the exploration expedition team? did you ? did you even certified to claim the indisputable truth about the past?Brother pazuzu, your conclusion on truth ( more baseless opnions) based on your thought which seems troubled by Zionist cospirator (their movement), upper echelons, imperialist, Bible scholars, Arab scholars etc whom all conspire to hide your version of truth. Conspiracy theories, secret organizations, Zionist seems stick as the base inside your mind.
Reading several History book does not grant you Doctor, PHD in history (even bachelor). Reading and quoting several archaeology books does not make one deserves the academic title in those related studies. Again, here you may stress about your conspiracies theories, e.g 99 % academic archaeologist, imperialist, Zionist etc..(it's normal reply considering your state of mind to disqualify other who did not in line with your truth)
If one carefully analyze , in 2005-2005, the same you, with geographical approach, still believe the city of Mecca reside near the town whom lot once lived, which described in AlQur'an and old testament. Amazingly, not more than 5 years since, now you claim to have the undeniable truth.
Some maybe amazed by your attempts to rewrite history with (your) story. Some may find your finding is legitimate, some may not. The evidence you claimed not in some places, also is not in your finding so? talking gibberish??
you often say in this manner "if you ask yemenis they will not give you and answer", or other times, "Arab's scholar know but they are to afraid to say" it's nothing but baseless assumption. It is true however, there are many prophet progeny (from his daughter) resides in Yemen, even here in Indonesia (alaydrus, assegaf, etc). Some even become very respectable guru, sheikh, ulama in Yemen, and you know what, despite what you are saying about yemenis, they are still doing pilgrimage, facing towards to al-kabah in mecca. But, then again you might say might say this Sheikh, Ulama ( whom indirect descendant of prophets) is in the 99 % imperialist who contributed lies rights? D
So it's only your truth will prevail as the truest history human should ever know and should know, it's time to rewrite the history according to your truth as the only truth. in sya Allah your jahil attempts will fail )
Anyway , I think it's enough for now. Salam
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There is no need to purchase the whole package, (like religious people usually do).
But it is important to ponder all the points presented in Pazuzu's work.
Also, did he ever claim to be archeologist, historian or whatever?What is it that makes his presented ideas wrong in your eyes? Is it that they don't conform with your world view or do you have some issues with some facts presented in his books? What exactly is it? Is it just too much too handle?
Just wondering.Peace
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Peace be upon all
Hi I'm new here yay.
I am not archaeologist, historian or expert in related mater.I used this thread because it seems served as brother pazuzu starting points to further elaborate his truth in many threads. I might say, this thread, thought provoking at first, then (as he used to say to other who did not support his truth ) garbage propaganda!! let's contemplate...
several bold statements from Pazuzu worth noted
it merely saying "The greatest truth that humanity should believed, the greatest historical dan geographical truth humanity should know, the truth of entire humanity history" is of brother pazuzu geographical and (his) stori-cal truth
Brother pazuzu, are you even certified historian? or perhaps certified archaeologist? certified linguist?
because there are differences you know. Simply quoting several hadith phrases from well known historian, archaeologist books, blogs, googling some pictures, corresponding directly with several historian does not make you an expert an history. Are you claiming greatest truth of human history based on research using google?, perhaps some incomplete online journals? some phrases in hardcopy you find/buy in library or amazon. Sorry brother, did you ever literally dig? or in the exploration expedition team? did you ? did you even certified to claim the indisputable truth about the past?Brother pazuzu, your conclusion on truth ( more baseless opnions) based on your thought which seems troubled by Zionist cospirator (their movement), upper echelons, imperialist, Bible scholars, Arab scholars etc whom all conspire to hide your version of truth. Conspiracy theories, secret organizations, Zionist seems stick as the base inside your mind.
Reading several History book does not grant you Doctor, PHD in history (even bachelor). Reading and quoting several archaeology books does not make one deserves the academic title in those related studies. Again, here you may stress about your conspiracies theories, e.g 99 % academic archaeologist, imperialist, Zionist etc..(it's normal reply considering your state of mind to disqualify other who did not in line with your truth)
If one carefully analyze , in 2005-2005, the same you, with geographical approach, still believe the city of Mecca reside near the town whom lot once lived, which described in AlQur'an and old testament. Amazingly, not more than 5 years since, now you claim to have the undeniable truth.
Some maybe amazed by your attempts to rewrite history with (your) story. Some may find your finding is legitimate, some may not. The evidence you claimed not in some places, also is not in your finding so? talking gibberish??
you often say in this manner "if you ask yemenis they will not give you and answer", or other times, "Arab's scholar know but they are to afraid to say" it's nothing but baseless assumption. It is true however, there are many prophet progeny (from his daughter) resides in Yemen, even here in Indonesia (alaydrus, assegaf, etc). Some even become very respectable guru, sheikh, ulama in Yemen, and you know what, despite what you are saying about yemenis, they are still doing pilgrimage, facing towards to al-kabah in mecca. But, then again you might say might say this Sheikh, Ulama ( whom indirect descendant of prophets) is in the 99 % imperialist who contributed lies rights? D
So it's only your truth will prevail as the truest history human should ever know and should know, it's time to rewrite the history according to your truth as the only truth. in sya Allah your jahil attempts will fail
Anyway , I think it's enough for now. Salam
You are a good one. Historians are God? Is anybody that comes out with a paper title of somehting beyond the need to prove what he says?
You seem to idolize titles, but titles have lied many times whereas persons withou titles have made discoveries and inventions and only afterwards did they get their titles. And there are people with titles which really ar pure decoration.
And you are very condescending, which does not become you unless you really, really are able to bring up even a hundredth of what Pazuzu has already provided in this forum.
Are you annoyed because he does not pander to conspiricy accusers and officialversionists?
I support Pazuzu and his work because if he uses big claims they are supported by his production and as far as I am concerned I am satisfied that he has brought up and out many things that are worth discovering and knowing, but I doubt that when you have come out with your condescending discourse on Pazuzu you knew anything aobut his work.
So may be you should learn that first and then speak.
Salaam
Salaam
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I took the liberty to upload Pazuzu's essays to Dropbox, and post them on twitter, you can get theme there too...
Links
https//twitter.com/inabster/status/581554294073196544
If you are on twitter, you can also follow me, I got quite a few followers now, not all interesting, but nice to spread the word of Monotheism through twitter
http//www.twitter.com/@inabster
Peace
Nabil
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kirikanan is free to formulate his own opinion/s, like all of us here,
he's entitled to disagree with any theory he deems imperceptible or non-credible!My respect aside, I too disagree with Pazuzu on a number of issues, ...
notwithstanding, I partly agree with him on several points , ...Long story short no one is an authority here! G-D alone is.
Convince me through solid* proof.- (to me) solid = inline with the Qurn.
SLM
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you often say in this manner "if you ask yemenis they will not give you and answer", or other times, "Arab's scholar know but they are to afraid to say" it's nothing but baseless assumption. It is true however, there are many prophet progeny (from his daughter) resides in Yemen, even here in Indonesia (alaydrus, assegaf, etc). Some even become very respectable guru, sheikh, ulama in Yemen, and you know what, despite what you are saying about yemenis, they are still doing pilgrimage, facing towards to al-kabah in mecca. But, then again you might say might say this Sheikh, Ulama ( whom indirect descendant of prophets) is in the 99 % imperialist who contributed lies rights?
You are a people of a dogmatic sect, asserting that the sect's way is 'the way' and bashing other approaches. Seriously, did you carry out any research from the Quran itself?
How can the Last Prophet had progenies when he is the SEAL OF THE PROPHET? You dont even comprehend the Quran.
Talking gibberish!!!
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Wa alaikum salam
Everybody is free indeed and nobody is in authority, no.
kirikanan is free to formulate his own opinion/s, like all of us here,
he's entitled to disagree with any theory he deems imperceptible or non-credible!My respect aside, I too disagree with Pazuzu on a number of issues, ...
notwithstanding, I partly agree with him on several points , ...Long story short no one is an authority here! G-D alone is.
Convince me through solid* proof.- (to me) solid = inline with the Qurn.
SLM
Everybody is free to formulate opinions?? why can't I express mine about pazuzu? yay
You are a good one. Historians are God? Is anybody that comes out with a paper title of somehting beyond the need to prove what he says?
Am I saying historian are God? if you study carefully pazuzu thread most of his sources is their (story), historians, hadith at best
You seem to idolize titles, but titles have lied many times whereas persons withou titles have made discoveries and inventions and only afterwards did they get their titles. And there are people with titles which really ar pure decoration.
Look at pazuzu bold claim I quote earlier, I merely stating whether pazuzu have a proper academic education to claim our humanity history has been a lie? how many historian pazuzu used to claim his findings? did he ever properly conducting research or only google based research to come up to such bold claims? then we will wait wheter pazuzu discoveries entitled him academic title, there are disciplines for him to get recognized worldwide. But if only to be recognise here in free-minds, google based research seems proficient enough right?
And you are very condescending, which does not become you unless you really, really are able to bring up even a hundredth of what Pazuzu has already provided in this forum.
First thing I said earlier, I am no expert in related manner, nor historian nor, archaeologist. only pazuzu is the expert and his word are the truth right? His evidences is indisputable and should be treated as facts, his partial quotes from famous books are the truth
Are you annoyed because he does not pander to conspiricy accusers and officialversionists?
Conspiracies theories, imperialist, and so on...(you fill the blank), it all only on his troubled mind. Do you think some phrrases that he quotes will ever be published in this world full of secret organization? he or one will use double standard here
I support Pazuzu and his work because if he uses big claims they are supported by his production and as far as I am concerned I am satisfied that he has brought up and out many things that are worth discovering and knowing, but I doubt that when you have come out with your condescending discourse on Pazuzu you knew anything abut his work.
So may be you should learn that first and then speak.
As I said, some will be amazed, some not, so are you forcing everybody to be amazed by pazuzu truth? I, myself have read 60 pages , each his post from the begining, have you? Maybe, Most of his work time probably is behind the monitor, googling pictures ,surfing, save people images, map images, modify the map to approve his points, buying books or searching journals from online sources he can find, maybe sometimes in library and some time to discuss with his so called team.
I do respect your support on him, AlQur;an can be very confusing, al'kabah and Muhammad is not been found yet, maybe until one dies the alkabah and real muhammad will not be ever found, but wait pazuzu holds the truth right? so please follow him if you must to be saved in here after
Salaam
Wa alaikum salam
You are a people of a dogmatic sect, asserting that the sect's way is 'the way' and bashing other approaches.
How can the Last Prophet had progenies when he is the SEAL OF THE PROPHET?
Talking gibberish!!!
Maybe because of my english is not perfect. What I'm trying to say is the off spring of Prophet Muhammad who you can find a lot in Yemen, Indonesia. Pazuzu often says something like "yemeni hold the secret of truth, if you ask yemenis thy will not answer you"......Most of the offspring of prophet Muhammad in yemeni's are born in Yemen. So it's a matter who are in Yemen did Pazuzu refer to? off course probably the one that did not contradict his truth
Seriously, did you carry out any research from the Quran itself?
You dont even comprehend the Quran.typical Quranist answer, only you can understand AlQur'an right, only you can comprehend AlQur'an right? only pazuzu is right and his work and word cannot be disturbed, because it serves as THE truth )
So, I never said anything about about prophet-hood seal, which you assume to be handed own to his offspring
I my self is a has been Quran only for more than 20 years, as I recall (more or less). My believe al kabah are the one in Mecca, and one of my prophet is Muhammad. I did not have to defend my believe here, also not forcing my believe, truth to be humanity truth, all I found after studying only Quran. Will you say I'm an kafir, zalim an so on, regarding to your understanding of AlQur'an?
Pazuzu often says 90 percents arab does not understand arabic right? Only him and his follower and perhaps , bunch of people here in free-minds, only understand arabics? bravo Then just believe his truth on humanity. Afterall, Only pazuzu, and bunch of you holds the truth of AlQur'an.
Pazuzu is the master of arabic languanges, master archeologist, master of history, you should believed in him. What he brings from google is a lots, what he bring from quoting partial phrases from related books is a lots, what he bring from letter corresponding with some, h e claimed historian, is a lot.
For me, I did not have to debate my believe and gave my finding on the interpretation of AlQur'an, like most of you actually did in this forum. Iman is in the heart of the believer, Alqur'an has been given and is there for everybody. What you all saying in this forum can be considered as another hadith.
Note this, please do not ever think, just so you are followiing AlQur'an only, then you are believer.
So? can't I express my opinions in this forum? maybe i'm in the worng place then )
Salam
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The Prophet did have daughters (3359, etc) ...
Though the claim that their alleged descendants "reside in Yemen or Indonesia" canNOT be evidenced,
and is completely irrelevant to our salvation, or Divine Guidance for that matter!yes is irrelevant whether they are the off spring of prophets to our salvation. Maybe you misunderstood my point, read again the above reply regarding this matters, I never meant to point prophet hood on his off springs or seal of the prophet or whatever.
I just merely pointed what pazuzu often blabbering about yemenis, that holds the secret and so on, in contrast most of Yemenis stiil doing Pilgrimage to Mecca. I hope you understand, it pazuzu word about yemenis and what yemeni's are actualy doing. but then again perhaps most the yemenis is part of the lies, part of the conspiracies. Only those who pazuzu talked with is the guided one, completely understandable
Salam
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You wrote 'pazuzu' 17 times!
How old are you anyway!?
Sorry for that brother, maybe because English is not my first language, my English is not perfect my Arabic is more less the same. may I ask what are the relevancy of how many times name pazuzu is said? his nick is pazuzu right? And now, I'm on my forty's
Salam
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In your 40's! And you've been a Quranist for more than 20 years! wow!
~ Did you learn something from the Quran alone during these two decades of yours?
I my self is a has been Quran only for more than 20 years, as I recall (more or less).
My believe al kabah are the one in Mecca, and one of my prophet is Muhammad. I did not have to defend my believe here, also not forcing my believe, truth to be humanity truth, all I found after studying only Quran. Will you say I'm an kafir, zalim an so on, regarding to your understanding of AlQur'an?
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Since the name of the thread indicates the serach of Muhammad is end, allow me
Who is Muhammad, or who is the actual prophet that has been given task by Allah to give AlQur;an to humanity? did brother pazuzu finding can named or identified one?What is the insdisputable al kaba'ah stated in AlQur'an, and where is the exact location since al ka'bah is also albayt alharam, albayt al atiq. This albayt (with isim makrifat - not just bayt), considering the lexical meaning, this al bayt should be the most prominent, in the area wherever the last prophet that people of that time can identified with. So where is it brother? Do not use quotes from hadith to answer this (from historian, from non zionist laymen, etc) just simply straight and direct answer on the conclusions...and the answer is ...
1.....?
2.....?Salam
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In your 40's! And you've been a Quranist for more than 20 years! wow!
~ Did you learn something from the Quran alone during these two decades of yours?
I may or may not, depends on one's perspectives. Anyway, not going to explain and defend adn force my finding in AlQur'an here brother, relating to the topics already gave straight and direct answer above.
I just express my opinions on brother pazuzu thread, maybe asking one or two question here )Salam
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ok...see ya then D
hehehe are you migration or census officer brother? fyi I'm not lying, AlQur'an did not teach us to become a liar. I was born on April in 1975. Anyway it's not relevant about my age, it's not about seniority, even little babies is the purest among us all. I will respect if there's a teenage boy or teenage girl give his finding on what he believes on AlQur'an, because there's some portion of truth in there. May I ask is there any relevancy to this? ;D
Salam and take care