If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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When I say meaning, I'm talking about semantics that are accessible to mankind. God does not speak words to us directly. Neither did God talk directly to Muhammad. When the words of Quran were delivered to Muhammad, God used a messenger/malaika (in contrary to Musa, to whom God spoke directly). In Quran itself we find that this Quran was delivered in arab, containing clear signs. The semantics are those that pre-existed Quran/Islam and were used by the mailaika messenger sent to muhammad. The etymology of many words in Quran is historically older than their usage in Quran. Thus, I can be confident in concluding their meaning is accessible.
Gentile means those who aren't jewish in the Quranic context. Only in this understanding the context will reveal itself to you. Quran makes this distinction for good reason. The jews, are asked/reminded to uphold an existing older convenant by accepting this messenger and his message. Gentiles do not have such a convenant with God and are therefor addressed seperately.
I don't idolize muhammad, maybe he was enlightened, I can't tell from what I read in Quran. But referring to muhammad as a gentile is significant. His submission to God was not bound by older convenants but by his own choice and submission to God. It is even more significant to realize why God chose a gentile as his messenger. This is a clear message to the jews (for not upholding the convenant).
Peace
ps if you are sticking to an interpretation of 'enlightenment' one would expect the enlightened prophet to be Musa, not Muhammad. As God conversed directly with the first, not the latter.
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2.253 Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah has spoken to, while some of them He exalted in degree...
Please say to me who are all those messengers Allah had directly talked to...
2.186 When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed very close I listen to of every suppliant when he calls on Me Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me That they may walk in the right way.
Have you ever believed you shall listen to Allah's call? Should you not have listened to? And had you listened to, then this part of communication would not have found place here.
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2.253 Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah has spoken to, while some of them He exalted in degree...
Please say to me who are all those messengers Allah had directly talked to...
2.186 When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed very close I listen to of every suppliant when he calls on Me Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me That they may walk in the right way.
Have you ever believed you shall listen to Allah's call? Should you not have listened to? And had you listened to, then this part of communication would not have found place here.
I only know of dialogues between God and Musa in Quran. Understand what dialogue means. This is bi-directional communication. 2.186 is one directional communication.
When we call onto God, God listens. This is different from God speaking directly to us. The call God makes in 2.186 is not verbally spoken to us directly. Most of us have Quran for this. Quran only has a few examples of people being directly spoken to by God. I'm not one of them - it is very exceptional. I'm not a rasul.
In Quran you can find dialogue between Musa and God. There is no dialogue between Muhammad and God. So even prophethood does not imply God speaks to you directly. To Muhammad God sent a messenger instead of talking directly to him. Why would God send a messenger to Muhammad if they were able to have a dialogue such as with Musa?
Peace
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In a dialogue will you not listen? When Allah asks you to listen to Him, is He not so close to you wanting to speak with you, by keeping Himself nearer than your life vein 50/16? What difference do you make between dialogue and hearing between person to person as through physical means? And heart to heart communication between Allah and us, human beings all the time for He wants to guide us by His Means. Please say the difference.
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Root likely used; Alif-Meem-Waw, as per ancient lexicon. The root can refer to a female because the word actually means descriptively "be thereof" as indicating wo-man/mother because women give birth and you come out of her as an individual.
According to the lexicons the root can also refer to imitation and mode of being and to "be thereof" as a collective and why ummah has the same originating root. You can easily verify my claim using a lexicon like Lane's.
Any kind of illiteracy or any alike connotations has no basis. The root simply means "of whom one is".
In 7157 the word refers to "those who emulate (imitate) the prophet messenger" in the context. It could give fuel to the sectarian crowd (so-called sunnah), but their derived behavior is taken from fabrications and fabricated interpretations of authentic sources (e.g. Quran).
The interpretation follow/imitate has basis in lexicons and is not my conjecture as people are so prone to accuse me of and so does "to be thereof" (mother).
7157, after further brief analysis, continually speaks of the adherence to what was decreed (maketoba) in all sources of revelation. The decree never changes.
Salaam
In hebrew am is the word indeed for mother. But in OT the word is most often used in the meaning of nation/nations. Nations, in contrast to 'the' nation/people - namely the jewish people (israelites).
Peace
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I only know of dialogues between God and Musa in Quran.
And so Who knows who are the other messengers Allah had talked to directly, except Allah? Therefore what is there in Quran is an inducement for you to turn to Allah for more, and speak with Him directly for more; and wait in patience expecting to listen to Him when He speaks to you heart to heart. Turn to Allah and turn off your dictionaries.
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In a dialogue will you not listen? When Allah asks you to listen to Him, is He not so close to you wanting to speak with you, by keeping Himself nearer than your life vein 50/16? What difference do you make between dialogue and hearing between person to person as through physical means? And heart to heart communication between Allah and us, human beings all the time for He wants to guide us by His Means. Please say the difference.
Look up the verses in Quran that describe how God talks to Musa, asking him what his staff is for. Musa literally hears God voice, he can hear every word of this question in a verbal format. He does not see God, though he can hear every word God is saying. Quran describes this method of communication as 'from behind a veil'. It is one of three methods how God communicates with human beings. In those verses I'm referring to, Musa replies to God. God can hear Musa and replies to him.
Compare this to the verses mentioning Muhammad. It is not a dialogue with God in any understanding. Muhammad was asked to obey the messenger (angel) and submit. Outside these instructions he received from the angel/messenger, Quran tells us Muhammad erred and was criticized for it.
If you claim he was enlightened, how would you explain him erring and being criticized for it? I think you are still somewhat idolizing Muhammad if you think there is evidence inside Quran of him being enlightened.
God calls on all of us to submit and obey the message. That's what I'm trying to do. If you take instructions from enlightened messages you receive in your heart, how do you know what is from God and how to distinct those from the whispers of shaitan?
Obviously one can't. Therefor I obey the message, being Quran.
Peace
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And so Who knows who are the other messengers Allah had talked to directly, except Allah? Therefore what is there in Quran is an inducement for you to turn to Allah for more, and speak with Him directly for more; and wait in patience expecting to listen to Him when He speaks to you heart to heart. Turn to Allah and turn off your dictionaries.
Look at the verbs being used (difference between "give words"/"speaking". Most likely God conversed with other prophets I'm unaware of. But certainly Muhammad was not one of them.
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Muhammad was given words by a messenger God sent. Not talking from behind a veil.
Peace
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To me the concept of people who claim God talks to them directly is completely strange. When I see others claim such things, most of the time I think it's either pretentiousness or a mental disorder.
Unless of course they prove themselves to be messengers from God. I consider Muhammad to be a messenger from God.
Peace
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Look up the verses in Quran that describe how God talks to Musa, asking him what his staff is for. Musa literally hears God voice, he can hear every word of this question in a verbal format. He does not see God, though he can hear every word God is saying. Quran describes this method of communication as 'from behind a veil'. It is one of three methods how God communicates with human beings. In those verses I'm referring to, Musa replies to God. God can hear Musa and replies to him.
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It is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except through Wahi or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.runninglikezebras, tell me after reading the following, what means of literal, physical nature that Allah communicates with any man on the earth, except your own take that which you believe. When Musa cannot see physical God, do you imagine for Him a physical mouth, eyes and things like that? You aught to cite reference from Quran to prove that Allah speaks literally too. Please read the only 3 ways by which Allah communicates with the humans.
It is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except -
Musa was a human being like the rest of every human beingThere are 3 ways Allah does speak to every human being
- Allah should speak to him except through Wahi as direct inspiration from Allah -
Allah should speak to every prophet i.e., human beings through Wahi
Or,
- That Allah should speak to them from behind a veil -
Allah speaks to every human being through the Messengers from Malayika, who are veiled to man's physical eyes.
Or,
- That He should send a human messenger who reveals the words of Allah
Apart from the 3 ways I have cited, kindly cite from your side the ayats that say Allah speaks to the ears of the human beings through the words and syllables uttered through the mouth.
Compare this to the verses mentioning Muhammad. It is not a dialogue with God in any understanding. Muhammad was asked to obey the messenger (angel) and submit. Outside these instructions he received from the angel/messenger, Quran tells us Muhammad erred and was criticized for it. If you claim he was enlightened, how would you explain him erring and being criticized for it? I think you are still somewhat idolizing Muhammad if you think there is evidence inside Quran of him being enlightened.
Are you ignorantly or wrongly insinuating Muhammad when Muhammad is not mentioned by name in any of the ayats you have suggested?
- Allah should speak to him except through Wahi as direct inspiration from Allah -
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Yes,
And I wrote that AM has a meaning as a nation of people because they believe in the same derived customs and culture. This is because AM means "are thereof" as a collective. The same reason why it is referring to mother in some instances.
In the highlighted passage it refers to "be of the messenger prophet" as in mode of being and as a collective who follow him.
Salaam
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Yes,
And I wrote that AM has a meaning as a nation of people because they believe in the same derived customs and culture. This is because AM means "are thereof" as a collective. The same reason why it is referring to mother in some instances.
In the highlighted passage it refers to "be of the messenger prophet" as in mode of being and as a collective who follow him.
Salaam
Well no, it means the gentile prophet obviously. Just look at the many occurences where it is used as community/nation/people. Look at how Quran describes the jews in contrast. Ummi is, just like in OT, people in contrast to Gods chosen people, the israelites.
Peace
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It is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except through Wahi or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.runninglikezebras, tell me after reading the following, what means of literal, physical nature that Allah communicates with any man on the earth, except your own take that which you believe. When Musa cannot see physical God, do you imagine for Him a physical mouth, eyes and things like that? You aught to cite reference from Quran to prove that Allah speaks literally too. Please read the only 3 ways by which Allah communicates with the humans.
It is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except -
Musa was a human being like the rest of every human beingThere are 3 ways Allah does speak to every human being
- Allah should speak to him except through Wahi as direct inspiration from Allah -
Allah should speak to every prophet i.e., human beings through Wahi
Wrong conclusion to say this was possible with every prophet. If so why were messengers/angels used?
Or,
- That Allah should speak to them from behind a veil -
Allah speaks to every human being through the Messengers from Malayika, who are veiled to man's physical eyes.
Wrong understanding. This means literally speaking (like to Musa).
Or,
- That He should send a human messenger who reveals the words of Allah
You are confused brother. This category involves a malaika messenger. It's not referring to human messengers.
Apart from the 3 ways I have cited, kindly cite from your side the ayats that say Allah speaks to the ears of the human beings through the words and syllables uttered through the mouth.
(20.16). What is that in your right hand, O Moses? (20.17)? He said ?This is my staff; I recline on it, I beat down with it tree leaves for my sheep, and I use it for other things? (20.1. He said ?Throw it down, O Moses!?
Are you ignorantly or wrongly insinuating Muhammad when Muhammad is not mentioned by name in any of the ayats you have suggested?
Brother, learn to read. Also, find me one verse that is similar to 20.16-18 involving Muhammad. Find me one verse in which God speaks to Muhammad without using an angel/messenger. Brother, those verses don't exist. You can't substantiate what you are trying to project. God speaking to Muhammad is nowhere in Quran. It's time you face this truth.
ps its kind of funny you cite the exact same verse I gave you earlier, and you start distorting it
Peace
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The Rabb does not normally speak to humans yes, but that does not mean The Rabb is not present and with a person. The Rabb does not have to speak to humans because the ascended are obedient and treading the image.
And the one who can emulate ALLAH is in ALLAH.
And there must be interpretation problems because GOD is seen talking to Abraham in parts of Quran because the 'qul' word is being used. And not only there but 'qul' is used other times as well.
Salaam
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Wrong conclusion to say this was possible with every prophet. If so why were messengers/angels used?
Wrong understanding. This means literally speaking (like to Musa).
You are confused brother. This category involves a malaika messenger. It's not referring to human messengers
Who is right and who is wrong is known only to Allah; and only Allah Knows the real meanings of His ayats 3/7; so what is expected of us is to listen the speeches carefully and intently and choose the best of them all 39/18 - such are knowledgeable ones and it is them Allah conducts in righteousness. If you abide and honour these ayats then you have not read Quran to learn from Allah, but to argue.
Brother, learn to read.
The other way is the best to satisfy Allah and to help Allah teach you directly through wahi.
(20.16). What is that in your right hand, O Moses? (20.17)? He said ?This is my staff; I recline on it, I beat down with it tree leaves for my sheep, and I use it for other things? (20.1. He said ?Throw it down, O Moses!?
If Musa was one to one with Allah in person, and all alone, and in total seclusion from the rest of the population, then the conversation would have been like this (20.16). What is that in your right hand?" ?This is my staff; I recline on it, I beat down with it tree leaves for my sheep, and I use it for other things? (20.1. He said ?Throw it down!". Calling by Name, "O Musa!" is to draw Musa's attention to the Wahi of Allah as and when He intends to convey the message, while he is in other activities. There is a lot to read to learn here; this is not possible until your line of approach is "learn to read".
Also, find me one verse that is similar to 20.16-18 involving Muhammad. Find me one verse in which God speaks to Muhammad without using an angel/messenger. Brother, those verses don't exist. You can't substantiate what you are trying to project. God speaking to Muhammad is nowhere in Quran. It's time you face this truth.
ps its kind of funny you cite the exact same verse I gave you earlier, and you start distorting it
I will answer to you when your occupancy and mood is changed to read to learn
And I want to know you if you read and re-read to learn from the ayat cited below"
2.253 Of those messengers, some of whom We have caused to excel others, and of whom there are some unto whom Allah has spoken to, while some of them He exalted in degree...
Please say to me who are all those messengers Allah had directly talked to...
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Bear not the burden, by Allah
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And He created you from the Same Soul; and from it He created its companion for solace - when one sought the comfort of another@, they began to bear the burden; and when the burden became unbearable, they both turned to their God and said, ?If you deliver us by Your Mercy, we will be grateful.?@ Allah created mankind by breathing His Ruh, into the soul; and He created companions for the soul, similarly bearing His Ruh, its function being the Guidance and the Benevolence in Truth, all through one?s life. When they increased in their comforts and pleasures in the companionship they forgot the Benevolence of the Most Benevolent and thus did fail in His remembrance and show of gratitude 43/36; so shaitan followed them and led them astray making them both bear the burden of the evils that their own hands had worked. When they both realized it is beyond their ability to bear the increasing burden any further, they both turned to their God and said, ?If You deliver us of the burden by Your Mercy, we will both be grateful unto You.? And Allah accepted their call and delivered them from their misfortunes; but then they became forgetful and fell again - this time, committing the worst crime i.e., they set up partners unto Allah.
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8.12 Your God inspired the angels@ saying, ?Verily I am with you; so strengthen those who believe; I will cast terror in the hearts of those who disbelieve; you shall smite at their necks and smite off their fingers.?
@ In a predominantly disbelieving wicked population around the globe from every denomination of all sects and religions such as Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Budhism etc., if a believer in One God, in His Judgment, in His Angels, in His Book and in His Prophets 2/177, 285 - is surviving amidst the thick of the disbelieving populace, it is because of the God send angels to strengthen his soul, mind, heart and feet. As believers, the third very important asset and assertion to them from God is the support and reinforcement sent through His angels 41/30, 31. And after our belief in Allah and in His Decree, we shall strive to make the malayikas - the angels, friends to us by His Leave. Believing in the Book, the Quran comes as the 4th proviso and the 5th and the last is the belief in the Prophets who stood as perfect models to all the previous 4 provisions Allah has made mandatory upon a believer. But the tragedy lies in a common islamic believer in that he says he believes in Allah and the Prophet, throwing the mandatory other three provisions away ignorantly. The order of Allah is lost for any one who says, ?I believe in Allah and in His Prophet.? So say from now onwards as Kalima, the Pledge I believe in Allah;; I believe in His Last Day; I believe in His Malayika, the Angels; I believe in the Book; and I believe in the Prophets who we shall believe are not to be considered dead but are living models of the Book, living with us as immortals. Belief in this immortal presence of all the prophets with each of us is possible only if we believe and make the angels as friends and as protectors, by Allah?s permission.
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8.13 This is because they did do injustice to Allah and His messenger; whoever does injustice to Allah and His messenger surely Allah is severe in punishing.
To safeguard us from this wrath of Allah it is time we believed in Him, in His Last Day, in His Angels and in His Book before we say we believe in the Prophets of Allah.
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8.14 It will be said, ?Taste this! Surely there is punishment of fire, for the disbelievers.?
This torment of fire is eternal for there is no death for them; and their skins will be constantly renewed in such swiftness even as it is burnt that we will never see it getting burnt at all but they will fully suffer the burning of fire in its totality; we see such suffering in millions of people with diabetes who have burning feet and legs; but they do not see any burning of the skin.