A Surah like it challenge, really? Divine authorship?
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A very strange challenge from allah, maybe I'm wrong?
Here's a few of my challenges to rival allah
"If you doubt about what I have revealed to 50 cent, then produce an album like get rich or die trying and call your witnesses, but if you can't, then fear a fire that I have prepared for you!"
"If you are in doubt about my servant christopher nolan, then produce a dark knight trilogy like his, but if you can't, know you will enter hell!"
You see the logic here, you can use this for anything,
"produce a play like shakespeare"
None of you in this forum can, no one can make an album like jay z etc...
This does not prove divine authorship in anyway!
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except that 50's "get rich or die trying" ain't no 'Message of G-D' !
That said If you dare think you can "rival" our Supreme Master (in any way), then perhaps you should actually accept the challenge and bring about a Srah of its likeness ! Here's your chance to "discredit" the Qurn!
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I think you are misunderstanding the divine quality of Quran. It's not referring to its poetic or literary quality alone.
Here is the challenge
You write a book like Quran of equal linguistic beauty while at the same time still being perfectly compatible with scientific discoveries made in the next 1400 years to come.
There is no book in the world that still is compatible with what science has discovered about big bang except Quran.
Quran refers to Big Bang, deuterium, the proton count of potassium and many other things.
When people will listen to a 50 cent album 1400 years later it will be a total joke to listen to.
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You come preaching here and you do not have even a little varnish on your manner. Does you Christisanity not preach respect?
You are not a Christian. Good christians have maners and respet you don't. Your ways are devious and unsincere and nobody seeing your sleamy discourse would want to do anything with you. Bad for christianity, but after all I, for one, do not think you are even a Christian. You are just plain antimuslim. Very simpple indeed. You do not have encumber youself with any mock attempt at intellectuality, which you have not even smelt, let alone real spirituality.
Say whateve you want, but do not slander christians posing as one.
Salaam
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Peace, this is for hicham 9, and anyone else who believes the quran cannot be imitated, my pleasure to present not 1 but 2 surahs, which were actually part of the quran, now abrogated.
Are you aware of surah al khal and surah al hafd, which are being RECITED today by sunni muslims, memorised, WORLDWIDE? are you aware they call them AS SURAHTAYN, the 2 surahs? Of course you don't, let me help you and everyone else seeking truth gain this knowledge, and leave Islam for good
Here is the documented arabic text by a brother in Christ
http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Miracle/ubay.html
Here is the JACKPOT for me though, this is a salafi run website, by SHEIKH AL MUNAJJID, in case you say, NO! Christians are liars, kafirs, untrustworthy, unless you also believe Sunnis to be kafirs as well as Christians?
http//islamqa.info/en/195880
Read the whole article of the SAUDI SALAFI SUNNI SHEIKH, who represents the sunni ummah, who passes RULINGS for them and see whether Christians are lying
At the end of his article the sheikh says "the most that can be said about this matter is what we have said above, THAT THIS WAS QURAN THEN IT WAS ABROGATED"
Do you understand the point hicham9? The scholars of ahulul sunnah wal jamah, ACCEPT, that these 2 surahs, we're revealed, they still have and RECITE these texts today! They VENERATE them, calling them AS SURAHTAYN!
An ENTIRE ummah of muslims accept this was quran, they recite it, they memorise it, they hold them in HIGH esteem, of course you don't accept them as quran right?
Hicham9 vs over 1.5 BILLION Muslims worldwide, lol!
Can you see by default the surah challenge has been met.
Runninglikezebras, I'll attend to the science in the quran, and you'll see how funny it really is...
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Huruf, please show me what I've said that has offended you? I have not sworn at anybody, yet you'll notice how people have called me mushrik, pagan etc...
Show me where I've offended you without actually providing proofs evidences etc... For what I'm saying
Show me a single lie I have made, please do so, so I can retract, and correct myself.
Thank you
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You are not the first to voiced such opinion..
"You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say "Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one." Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. ? By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say "Produce something like it""
-- Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi (854-925 AD)And I find the concept of "divine authorship" truly ridiculous..
Clearly all of the "holy book" (yes that include the Gospel and Bible) is written by human.
Having said that, it doesn't mean that there's no benefit from reading any of the "Holy Book".
It does contains valuable lessons... although it does contains some mistakes..(True) God's revelation never stopped, it's a continuing process up until now ..
We just need to "Tune in to the right frequency"..
And "believing in a holy book or a heroic figure" is not necessary.. -
Thank you jafar for that quote and source, much appreciated.
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The mainstream translation is extremely poor with extremely an understatement. You cannot use it to refute Quran only refute the fools who came up with it.
Salaam
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Peace, this is for hicham 9, and anyone else who believes the quran cannot be imitated, my pleasure to present not 1 but 2 surahs, which were actually part of the quran, now abrogated.
Are you aware of surah al khal and surah al hafd, which are being RECITED today by sunni muslims, memorised, WORLDWIDE? are you aware they call them AS SURAHTAYN, the 2 surahs? Of course you don't, let me help you and everyone else seeking truth gain this knowledge, and leave Islam for good
Here is the documented arabic text by a brother in Christ
http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Miracle/ubay.html
Here is the JACKPOT for me though, this is a salafi run website, by SHEIKH AL MUNAJJID, in case you say, NO! Christians are liars, kafirs, untrustworthy, unless you also believe Sunnis to be kafirs as well as Christians?
http//islamqa.info/en/195880
Read the whole article of the SAUDI SALAFI SUNNI SHEIKH, who represents the sunni ummah, who passes RULINGS for them and see whether Christians are lying
At the end of his article the sheikh says "the most that can be said about this matter is what we have said above, THAT THIS WAS QURAN THEN IT WAS ABROGATED"
If this is the best you've got, then you're wasting my time.
Do you understand the point hicham9? The scholars of ahulul sunnah wal jamah, ACCEPT, that these 2 surahs, we're revealed, they still have and RECITE these texts today! They VENERATE them, calling them AS SURAHTAYN!
An ENTIRE ummah of muslims accept this was quran, they recite it, they memorise it, they hold them in HIGH esteem, of course you don't accept them as quran right?
Hicham9 vs over 1.5 BILLION Muslims worldwide, lol!
Ad populum!
Can you see by default the surah challenge has been met.
Don't you wish!
The challenge was for YOU to 'bring about a single, qurnic-like passage'!
You couldn't.
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A very strange challenge from allah, maybe I'm wrong?
Here's a few of my challenges to rival allah
"If you doubt about what I have revealed to 50 cent, then produce an album like get rich or die trying and call your witnesses, but if you can't, then fear a fire that I have prepared for you!"
"If you are in doubt about my servant christopher nolan, then produce a dark knight trilogy like his, but if you can't, know you will enter hell!"
You see the logic here, you can use this for anything,
"produce a play like shakespeare"
None of you in this forum can, no one can make an album like jay z etc...
This does not prove divine authorship in anyway!
Peace Nonmushrik
No offence, but you miss the meaning of the ayats, the point is no one can
produce a word or a sentence or chapter of revelation from God without
his permission, the point is Muhammad was not a fabricator, the Quran
is from the lord of the worlds.Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to
produce a Quran like this, they can never produce anything like it, no matter
how much assistance they lent one another."Uh just in case there are those folks who like to go over translations the
translation is not the point but the contextGod bless you
peace
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Are you aware of surah al khal and surah al hafd, which are being RECITED today by sunni muslims, memorised, WORLDWIDE?
Worldwide?
I live in Indonesia, and I think that the type of "Islam" which is most popular in Indonesia is basically Sunni. And I did not know about those two surahs, and I don't think they are commonly known in here.
What's your real purpose of being here?
I hope you still not totally blind. If you still have fear of Allah, then I think you should repent before you become totally blind.
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Hicham9, why don't you accept those 2 Surahs? As far as I'm concerned this sheikh accepts them as ABROGATED Surahs.
My question to you, and everyone on free minds, why don't you accept those 2 Surahs? Tell me why they don't meet the standards of the Quran?
It's a circular argument for you, you'll never accept any Surah, no matter how good it is.
Tell me why sheikhs of the sunnah accept them, but you don't?
Javalatte, next time you meet a Muslim recite those 2 Surahs to them, don't tell them them anything about what you recite, ask them, what is this? I guarantee they'll say "this is dua qunoot"
Laymen muslims are ignorant, so they they won't know them by Surah names, the scholars do.
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Hicham9, why don't you accept those 2 Surahs?
Because, in my book, they are of a rather trivial, mundane nature!
As far as I'm concerned this sheikh accepts them as ABROGATED Surahs.
You sincerely expect me to blindly trust/follow a sectarian charlatan of your choice!?
My question to you, and everyone on free minds, why don't you accept those 2 Surahs?
Tell me why they don't meet the standards of the Quran?
Long story short They are definitely NOT qurnic-like.
... you'll never accept any Surah, no matter how good it is.
Last time I checked, you couldn't produce even a single array like it!
& you're the one who stubbornly/nonobjectively refuses to acknowledge/endorse the simple fact that such an enlightening memorandum could NOT have been "fabricated by a false-prophet" !
Tell me why sheikhs of the sunnah accept them, but you don't?
Because G-D, my One and Only Master, exposed both of ye .
Laymen muslims are ignorant, so they they won't know them by Surah names, the scholars do.
There is no such a thing as "laymen muslims" !
Clearly, you have no idea what a mslm nf (QA ڡ is, you ignorant.
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I'm sorry, I forgot, your Quraniyoon, here to save the Muslim ummah. Enjoy your self made scholarship.
Do you understand your a kafir in the eyes of Muslim scholars upon Quran and sunnah?
Do you understand quranists are a laughing stock to the sunni and shia ummah?
You know better then muhammad and his companions and the 2 generations after them?
You know better then the clergymen in saudi, the very people who passed the "quran" down to you?
I'm done with you, either tell me why they aren't surahs or leave this topic alone!
Why are they mundane? Charlatan of my choice? Charlatans in plural actually, responsible for the rulings of over 1.5 billion Muslims! Why are they not quran like?
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"If all the men and demons got together to produce the like of The Godfather trilogy, they could never do it, again, no for sure, they will never be able to produce the like of it!"
You know what's funny, not even the Hollywood of this generation and the generations of Hollywood to come will be able to produce a classical masterpiece like the Godfather trilogy, brilliant movie set, can't be imitated.
Thank you prophet Francis Ford Coppola!
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You, nonmushrik remind of the fox who wanted to get at the grapes and couldn't and then said they are not ripe.
Don't bother to bring so much effort into prooving nothing.
We here are all very happy and busy eating ripe grapes.
Try a jihadi site or something, you might meet your likes there.
Salaam
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Surah means so much more than chapter if you take a sincere look in an ancient Arabic lexicon. The extracted interpretation is likely induced by the sectarian medieval interpreters.
But a lazy way out is certainly to embrace Christianity although I would never revert to the mainstream church. They go against what the Biblical Gospels teach textually.
I prefer to keep Quran but instead "look behind the scenes" to find what the sects do not care to look for. Quran is a sequel to the Biblical Gospels as it teaches the same philosophy of life and nature of GOD, but not as the sectarian Christianity does.
It is a bit to follow others blindly to do like you have done, nonmushrik.
Salaam
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Worldwide?
I live in Indonesia, and I think that the type of "Islam" which is most popular in Indonesia is basically Sunni. And I did not know about those two surahs, and I don't think they are commonly known in here.
What's your real purpose of being here?
I hope you still not totally blind. If you still have fear of Allah, then I think you should repent before you become totally blind.
I agree!
Even I don't know what those two things are and as far as I know, no body know what they are in my area.
At my first look at those two things, I got that they cannot be a part of alQuraan because
- No sura in alQuraan starts with Allahumma, hence they are NOT LIKE the suras of alQuraan. They are fake.
Besides that
- alQuraan is already complete and nothing can be added later.
- We will be asked from the syllabus we have given from our Lord, so nothing to worry for us, inshaAllah.
May Allah protect us and increase our knowledge to judge the right over wrong pr
mmKhan