Modern (Re) Take on: Life after Life
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Hail Hicham,
Greetings, my brother.
We do not agree with each other on the nature of GOD talk, but here you formulate yourself well. Good elaboration.
Be well
True, I'm still of the opinion that The Absolute ONE is not a "phenomenon" . Our Superior/Master lit. transcends everything, ergo. naught has a likeness like His ... Nonetheless, I thank you for the kind-hearted word @MOF ~ I am pleased to know that my view (above) resonates with yours, my brother. Hopefully, the same goes for our sister, &c.
Be well, as well.
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In the Qurn, G-D never dislikes a specified person/or thing .
What G-D dislikes (for us) is 'negative behaviour/character'E.g., in Srh 587, G-D states
CU ... and transgress not, for G-D loves not the transgressorsInstead of saying "G-D dislikes the transgressors" , the Author purposely used the locution 'loves not' which I (properly) understand as G-D dislikes/condemns the vicious act of transgression.
Thus (to me)
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G-D does not hate.
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Not loving (x) hating (x).
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IF we forsake Vice, we earn G-D's love/affection .
SLM
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First, let me tell you brother, that for me hate = strong dislike
If you have different understanding about the word "hate", then I think we better stop discussing this issue.
I know that ALLH does not "hate,"
I think you actually do not know about that, since we don't communicate with Allah like the messengers can communicate with Him.
To be honest, I don't really know about that, but if Allah can hate, then I am not surprise.
And if Allah hates certain things, I don't mind with that at all, inshaAllah.
Also, as I recall, I never read any verse in the Qur'an which tells me that Allah does not hate.
In my opinion, those who "hate the unrighteous things" are good.
P1 Negative emotions are, by definition, harmful feelings .
P2 Hatred is a harmful feeling.
Therefore, hatred is a negative emotion.
I don't believe in that definition.
Here what I think
If I hate satan => that's not negative at all (not harmful)
If I love satan => that's very negative (very harmful)
So, for me, hate is not always negative, and love is not always positive.
Maybe "love and hate" is like "yin and yang".
If God is able to love, then why not if He is able to hate as well?
I feel grateful that I can hate.
Imagine if you can't hate anything...
Perhaps... "to be able to hate" could be a blessing.
In the Qurn, G-D never dislikes a specified person/or thing .
Really??
I think that... if we are honest, then it's pretty clear that what you wrote above is not supported by the Qur'an.
QA mqt () denoting 'hatred' is (clearly) not what the Author intended ...
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Sounds like a denial.
Then, according to you, what is intended in those verses by the Author?
Be honest and do not try to cover up the fact.
I am honest in this, inshaAllah
FOR ME, THE QUR'AN INDEED CONTAINS SERIOUS FRIGHTFUL THREATS AND SHOWS STRONG DISLIKE TOWARD THOSE WHO OPPOSE THE CREATOR.
If you ask the opinion of the atheists, then maybe they also agree with me about that.
Maybe that's why there are many people who do not like the Qur'an.
Peace.
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Phenomenon
something (such as an interesting fact or event) that can be observed and studied and that typically is unusual or difficult to understand or explain fully
someone or something that is very impressive or popular especially because of an unusual ability or qualityAs for threats and strong dislike, the Quran does not even show half as much threats or hate as the sectarian propagandist versions like to put forth.
Be well
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Please read and ponder verse 4010 and 613, and perhaps you could share what you think about those verses
QA mqt (ت denoting "hatred" is (clearly) not what the Author intended ...
Sounds like a denial.
Then, according to you, what is intended in those verses by the Author?If someone you know were to actually marry the ex-wife of his own father, would that arouse "HATE" in you !?
Or, say ~ "disgust" e.g.?
Does it smell like incest?
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hate\ht
noun
a very strong feeling of dislike
Full Definition
Usage often attributive
1 a intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury
b extreme dislike or antipathy loathing <had a great hate of hard work>
2 an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business ? F. L. Paxson>
Examples
You could see the hate in his eyes.
These crimes are motivated by prejudice and hate.
They have been unable to overcome their hates and fears.Source Merriam Webster Dictionary
The common connotation is negative for the word and very emotional as a consequence of not being able to control emotions and usually hatred it involved.
Be well
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In psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud defined hate as
an ego state that wishes to destroy the source of its unhappiness.
The Penguin Dictionary of Psychology defines hate as
a deep, enduring, intense emotion expressing animosity, anger and hostility towards a person, group or object.
I don't understand why it seems there are people who think that "hate" is negative.
I personally think that there's nothing wrong with "hating the unrighteous things".Here, you're confusing 'dislike' with 'hatred' .
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Why should I believe in Sigmund Freud's definition??
And I don't want to rely on the Penguin Dictionary of Psychology to define things for me.
And please remember...
If you have different understanding about the word "hate", then I think we better stop discussing this issue.
Hicham, I'm sorry, I think I'm not going to continue this discussion. I don't really see the usefulness to continue something like this.
If we have different opinion in this issue, then, I suppose that's not really a problem for me.
I think it's better if the believers using their time to remind others to remember Allah and to obey Allah, or doing good works, rather than having useless debate among their own.
If you believe in Allah and try your best to obey Him, I think that's enough for me.
And beside, I still have many works to do....
It seems that I don't have much time to go online in these days... ^___^"
Salaam.
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Hicham, do you realize that it seems you have "hate" toward the hate itself?
You're exaggerating the word "hate", I think that if someone acted evil toward thing he hates, then it means, he is not only feeling hate but he acted unrighteous because of his hate.
My Lord is the Creator. I don't perfectly know about Allah, but I want to obedient to Him, my devotion is for Him, and I want to love Allah for what He is.
I'm not sure whether -for what He is- is grammatically correct.
In Indonesian language, what I mean is "Saya ingin mencintai Allah apa adanya."Btw, I dislike having debate between believers. I dislike what we're doing now. Perhaps I need more patience to stop this.
Maybe you should stop having "hate" toward "hate".
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I'm not judging Allah, who am I to judge Him.
But, the important thing that I want you (hicham9) to know is
If Allah has hatred towards certain things, then I still acknowledge Him as my Lord, inshaAllah.
Glory be to Allah, my very dear Lord. His love is the greatest love that I received in my life.
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Javalatte,
Hate is a word with a strongly negative and slightly offensive nature, and often used in cursing. Hatred is always an unwanted trait for a person realized in GOD. It is usually better to use a milder word.
To not like wars or atrocities does any sane person. If GOD was emotional they would have come to an end. GOD still has to put up with the stupidity and delusion of man. GOD surely has patience.
Be well