So did anyone figured out what salat is?
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It's an acronym ...
How would you translate QA. ALLH (ه?
There are a few root meanings of that word, the main one seems to be "Worshiped" but there is also "Powerful" "Beyond" and things like that. Arabic roots are generally action words or verbs. Deeper examination reveals concepts like "to be in Awe of" "Reverence" and other things like that.
God is a fine translation (God comes from a root meaning "invoked" from a different language family) and it is generally used to refer to the Supreme power, but I was just wondering why you were cutting out the o from God the way that Jewish people do sometimes.
Haha I do like that you said ALLH kind of like how some people go YHWH (A Jewish person would probably replace that with Adonai or HaShem or something though). ALLH is an accurate transliteration of the letters at least.
I wondered if it was because of some belief of "do not say the name of God in vain", but God is not the name of God, it simply means "the invoked one" and there seems to be no different between saying God and G-d since both combinations of symbols represent the same thing, so the whole exercise seems rather futile and silly, almost like a person is playing imaginary games.
Its like saying Sh*t in context and everyone knows what word was said there but one letter was taken out, yet when people read it they pronounced it, and the whole thing is rather fake and everything.
But God is not a swear word, and one should wonder if perhaps God is making a fool of a person by adopting such things, since it can be almost considered a kind of mockery, like how the Bible says "Always keep God on your mind" so then they put a little box with God's name in it literally on their forehead lol.
Though if you're uncomfortable saying God that is fine, but I don't believe that is the meaning of "do not say God's name in vain", firstly they were referring to the term YHWH which was considered to have magical properties of invoking power almost like a curse, and the silly belief that a spirit can be commanded by controlling its name and other things like that, none of which are true seeming today. The term "God" was certainly not on their minds when they said that.
In any case though I'm fine using the term God or Allah or any number of other epithets that are accurate, I'm about to post something where I mention God as something like the LORD OF HELL or King of the Fire or something haha its fun to make up epithets sometimes.
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There are a few root meanings of that word, the main one seems to be "Worshiped" but there is also "Powerful" "Beyond" and things like that. Arabic roots are generally action words or verbs. Deeper examination reveals concepts like "to be in Awe of" "Reverence" and other things like that.
Sounds like guesswork to me.
I don't blame you tho!God is a fine translation (God comes from a root meaning "invoked" from a different language family) and it is generally used to refer to the Supreme power, ...
To my knowledge, the qurnic word for deity (or god) is Lh () not LLh ().
Addition in 'structure' denotes addition in 'meaning' ( )
but I was just wondering why you were cutting out the o from God the way that Jewish people do sometimes.
As disclosed earlier, the expression 'G-D' (in my input) is an acronym.
I.e., it's not the term 'GOD' with an omitted "O" ...Ps. I'm not a "Jew"!
I proclaim myself to be a mslm nf [like Abrahem (who was neither a Jew, nor a Nazarene, and he was not of the Muriks)!Haha I do like that you said ALLH kind of like how some people go YHWH (A Jewish person would probably replace that with Adonai or HaShem or something though).
Oh, how "insightful" of you!
ALLH is an accurate transliteration of the letters at least.
Precision is a virtue.
I wondered if it was because of some belief of "do not say the name of God in vain", but God is not the name of God, it simply means "the invoked one" and there seems to be no different between saying God and G-d since both combinations of symbols represent the same thing, so the whole exercise seems rather futile and silly, almost like a person is playing imaginary games.
Its like saying Sh*t in context and everyone knows what word was said there but one letter was taken out, yet when people read it they pronounced it, and the whole thing is rather fake and everything.
But God is not a swear word, and one should wonder if perhaps God is making a fool of a person by adopting such things, since it can be almost considered a kind of mockery, like how the Bible says "Always keep God on your mind" so then they put a little box with God's name in it literally on their forehead lol.
Though if you're uncomfortable saying God that is fine, but I don't believe that is the meaning of "do not say God's name in vain", firstly they were referring to the term YHWH which was considered to have magical properties of invoking power almost like a curse, and the silly belief that a spirit can be commanded by controlling its name and other things like that, none of which are true seeming today. The term "God" was certainly not on their minds when they said that.
In any case though I'm fine using the term God or Allah or any number of other epithets that are accurate, I'm about to post something where I mention God as something like the LORD OF HELL or King of the Fire or something haha its fun to make up epithets sometimes.
This, of course, deserves no comment of mine.
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Freedomstands,
Arabic words are utterly descriptive in their way of conveying their meaning. For example
Kaf-Ta-Ba 'Cause Substance With" (to make knowledgeable)
Nun-Ba-Ya 'Integrity With Entity' (one with insight)
Siin-Lam-Miim 'Conscious Such as Thereof' (health/soundness)
Alef-Lam-Lam 'Be Such as Such as' (is such as)
Alef-Miim-Nun 'Be Thereof Integrity' (behave/act like)
Alif-Miim-Ra 'Be Thereof Solidness' (be determined)
Alif-Ra-Dad 'Be Solidness Visible' (what is visible/the visible reality)
Ra-Ba-Ba 'Solidness With With' (provider of solidness, a sustaining platform)
Sad-Lam-Wa 'Perceive Such as Adhesion' (track something with perception)
Lam-Alif 'Such as Be' (which is)Etcetera
Arabic words generally have a trilateral root and the order in which letters occur in the word determine action, expected result and mode of application. Mode of application or another letter in the root may be omitted if not contextually required as why you see words with only two letters even though they come from a trilateral root. Arabic does not generally have a word with only one letter, but an exception is the famous so-called initials of Quran which are part of a riddle-like inclusion, which were added for the perceptive to realize the basis of how Arabic is constructed, since the letters are supposed to carry a meaning of their own.
Be well
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Salam. Just to share a personal opinion after lurking the net and learning from others.
Salat is commitment and when combined with Zakat it means purify and grow your commitments.
As a human being, each one is assigned tasks based on roles one plays whilst living on this earth. For example A man who is married and have children is given the task of being a father, provider, husband, worker (if he is working), manager (if he is a boss), etc. Just looking at ourselves and the current roles we play (whether by choice or not) we are assigned tasks or commitments to perform this tasks as well as possible.
Often than not, we tend to create commitments that are not beneficial to us or others. Example committing to hang around in pubs with friends until late nights while we have a family at home may not provide benefit or may even be a complete waste of time. These wasteful acts of commitments need to be weeded out hence the act of limiting oneself to beneficial acts / commitments is Zakat. One would improve oneself further if the time saved from hanging in bars are used elsewhere more beneficial like quality time with the kids/wife/part time classes/jobs. In short Salat and Zakat combined is promoting steadfastness in acting out our commitments from the roles we play as well as weeding out unnecessary acts or wasteful acts.
As a human being who believes in Allah and the Quran, one of the commitment given is also the specific and deliberate act of personal communication with Allah. The times for this according to the Quran is Fajar and Isya'. Wusta is the period within for either Fajar and Isya', a short period between 'night to day' and 'day to night'. Given the short period, that is why it needs to be 'guarded'/disciplined. Given the short period, the specific communication with Allah needs to be performed even if one is found in an event where people congregate like seminars/shopping/etc. Jumaat prayer is not another prayer but the need to keep our commitments to the specific communication with Allah at the prescribed time. The only excuse when one cannot perform the specific communication to Allah is when someone is absent of mind like sleeping/intoxicated/etc (does not include menstruation or other sickness).
As for tahajjud, it is just doing something extra of a commitment to get extra benefits like extra studying/research/work etc.
So in short, human existence comes with purpose/roles/commitments. Need not go far to find out why we are here, just look at ourselves and the roles we play. Unfortunately not many realises that the roles and commitment we perform is the servitude that is required from us as a human being. Allah needs no servants but we as humans need to perform the functions we are assigned with as servitude and gratitude to our maker and with this realisation it becomes that which we always say in solat that our life and death is for Allah.
We are the created, a created being comes with purpose of creation, our purpose is to fulfill what Allah intends/assigned. So play our assigned roles to the fullest, weed out wasteful acts, grow our commitments to benefit mankind (we start micro i.e for ourselves then we graduate to macro ie for humankind) do good, avoid bad, do not go beyond Allah specific boundaries, avoid oppression and do not oppress oneself or others, be grateful and by fulfilling our roles and commitments we also attest our gratefulness to Allah.
Sorry for my English and I won't be able to provide specific references in the Quran. Just my understanding.
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If you do what you are supposed to do then you keep the salat.
Be well
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If you do what you are supposed to do then you keep the salat.
Be well
I can't deny that! In my world everyone is doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing and seeing and hearing everything they are supposed to be seeing and hearing.
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In fact few are doing what they are supposed to be doing.
Be well
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In fact few are doing what they are supposed to be doing.
Be well
What are they, or we, supposed to be doing, and how do we know?
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By applying our minds.
You should have a remoteness to the world and your body, and act as an image of GOD such as you were created to be instead of succumbing to the beast. In the light of science it means; suppress or control your instinctive drive, the actions which you are doing because of the animal in you.
It is hard for most people to sink in and they think it is extremist, but it is the only way for your spirit was attributed to the body you possess and it clouds the spirit. That is part of the test to assess a specimen. Sounds cruel, but it is how it is. I wonder myself, but I am also glad that soon the pestilence will be gone which may be the reason for this.
GOD uses the parable of agriculture for a reason, i.e. that seeds are planted and the good will be harvested and the failures discarded. The failures did not grow but were absorbed by the earth/ardh. It is "the parable of parables" according to GOD. It is not part of the sectarian version of Quran, but is in chapter 36 of any real interpretation.
Such is written in the compilation.
Be well
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By applying our minds.
You should have a remoteness to the world and your body, and act as an image of GOD such as you were created to be instead of succumbing to the beast. In the light of science it means; suppress or control your instinctive drive, the actions which you are doing because of the animal in you.
It is hard for most people to sink in and they think it is extremist, but it is the only way for your spirit was attributed to the body you possess and it clouds the spirit. That is part of the test to assess a specimen. Sounds cruel, but it is how it is. I wonder myself, but I am also glad that soon the pestilence will be gone which may be the reason for this.
GOD uses the parable of agriculture for a reason, i.e. that seeds are planted and the good will be harvested and the failures discarded. The failures did not grow but were absorbed by the earth/ardh. It is "the parable of parables" according to GOD. It is not part of the sectarian version of Quran, but is in chapter 36 of any real interpretation.
Such is written in the compilation.
Be well
Well it seems to be happening to me anyway. How far would you like it to go? No sex? I don't have any, just asking though.
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Well,
The most optimal would be celibacy, but that would mean that your good example might not continue for there are always people who would procreate anyways who are not aware. It is indeed a curse.
You could be a teacher for strangers though without procreation. If you do this you also contribute.
Be well
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I agree completely with Man of Faith. God is available to guide us all the time not just at 5 office hours. What interests me, however, is, where does 'wudu' fit into the guidance understanding of salat?
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Hello dawn,
The sectarian - influenced interpretation of 56 is a disaster. I am going to return to it at some point including all other misrepresented passages containing the mention of the word salat.
The very word salawa which is the root means to follow something, remaining attached. I ported the example about a horse race before which reveals it quite well. Salateh is an objectified form of the root, i.e. it forms an object of "to follow" which literally would read "The Following" but in plain English would be "Guidance" to make it more coherent.
Be well
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I agree completely with Man of Faith. God is available to guide us all the time not just at 5 office hours. What interests me, however, is, where does 'wudu' fit into the guidance understanding of salat?
Those 5 timings are not for "guidance" necessarily, its to take time out during the day in a disciplined and steadfast way to perform a meditative exercise which is to bring one a sense of inner peace through the expression of surrender, its very ancient, and those 5 timings were known around the world, for example the Zoroastrians call them the 5 Gahs. Washing oneself is part of the mental/physical meditative exercise process where one symbolically purifies themselves before approaching the worship portion.
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By applying our minds.
You should have a remoteness to the world and your body, and act as an image of GOD such as you were created to be instead of succumbing to the beast. In the light of science it means; suppress or control your instinctive drive, the actions which you are doing because of the animal in you.
It is hard for most people to sink in and they think it is extremist, but it is the only way for your spirit was attributed to the body you possess and it clouds the spirit. That is part of the test to assess a specimen. Sounds cruel, but it is how it is. I wonder myself, but I am also glad that soon the pestilence will be gone which may be the reason for this.
GOD uses the parable of agriculture for a reason, i.e. that seeds are planted and the good will be harvested and the failures discarded. The failures did not grow but were absorbed by the earth/ardh. It is "the parable of parables" according to GOD. It is not part of the sectarian version of Quran, but is in chapter 36 of any real interpretation.
Such is written in the compilation.
Be well
I agree very much with this.
Humans completely forgot their "per-earthly" existence...
This life is surely but a test... -
Thank you all for answering. However none of the answers are satisfieing for me currently.
I suppose each has to do the homework for himself on this one but I hoped somebody had some good points or arguments based on Quran.
I am sorry Man of Faith but I dont agree with you it seems you are missing the point (in my opinion). None of the prophets was celibate and all of them had children- it doesnt make sense to take such extreme measures if we should follow them. -
Mmmm,
What kind of point am I missing?
I did not say you had to be a celibate. I said it is the optimum condition.
And prove to me Jesus has children and wife or John the Baptist.
The point in our life is to distance ourselves from the body so that we are not the animal it is. Not the opposite that sectarians seem to imply. Then we can be perfected.
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Man of Faith I am sorry I could not reply any sooner - I had some troubles with the internet connection.
I feel that in most things you have already made up your mind so I'm not sure my words will have any effect (I suppose we all are like that)
In my opinion the spirit does not fight the body. Islam is the exact opposite of that - it is balancing both, since one is not more importaint/better than the other. Both are equally importaint and finding that balance is the key.
Every prophet had offspring - it is not "curse" as you said but a blessing (you will see in the Quran the news of a offspring is always GOOD NEWS). The proof that all prophets (resuls) had offspring is in 1338, and what about the people in 2574.
What you are talking about is extreme and not Islamic (in my opinion) it reminds me of buddism or some other far-eastern religion...maybe you could try to become "breatharian" and quit eating - that would be the ultimate fight against the materialism.
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Mmmm,
Unfortunately the "Islam" you say is not extreme is a deviated sect and does not follow what Quran really says. There is no "blessing" in the body. What I said is the real "deen".
Wish more people could see how damned fooled they are.
And the point is not killing the body, but only getting rid of the animal you which is not you. Separate the spirit from the body. I am not advocating anything extreme. Every spiritual action that you refrained from being controlled by the instincts will make you grow apart from the beast.
I find sectarian Islam to be more dull than what I propose. Month-long fasts, compulsory prayers with mumblings of words and senseless rituals such as pilgrimage to a Pagan ritual site. At least what I say does not have anything of that. And it does not include stopping eating, only not being an animal for it is if you love the beast you that will make you get Gehennom, i.e. you loved Shaytaan who is in all what you do fall victim to instinctive behavior.
Every prophet had offspring - it is not "curse" as you said but a blessing (you will see in the Quran the news of a offspring is always GOOD NEWS).
The Arabic text does not say "good news" but it says something like 'announcement'.
I did NOT say an offspring is a curse, but you do not understand my reasoning. I said celibacy is OPTIMUM, not necessary. If you marry you should stay with whatever partner you got hooked up with. Marriage is better than stray copulation. A union between a man and a woman means the two become as one body and so they should remain because what GOD joins together no one should break apart.
And you have to bring proof Jesus ever had an offspring or a wife for that sake. It was in his prophecy that his body would die relatively early, so why would he get a family?
And sadly you are deluded by the sectarian errors. The spirit is indeed in a wrangling with the body and primarily its instincts. That is your Shaytaan. Shaytaan clouds your real spiritual perception.
Be well
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Man of Faith,
I don't know why you called me deluded - you don't know anything about my definition of Islam and you just asumed that I am refering to "sectarian Islam".
I am saying that both is equally importaint and finding balance is the key spirit and the body.
So you have the truth about "the real deen"?
I highly doubt that since you are proposing communism as a perfect system - that to me is a sign that either you are not informed well or you don't discern well. (or I misunderstood that too?)Peace.
Sorry if I misunderstood you about celibacy and offspring...and I've already given you the ayat as a proof Isa had offspring (133.