Time To Change Your Paradigm
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The best we can say, is that we don't know. Unless you can actually get a bird's eye view of the entire earth - you can't "prove" anything.
There has been many people who actually has seen the 'satellite view' of the entire earth using their own eyes.
And in the very near future travelling to space will be available in such low cost and everyone can see with their own eyes.
It's much better to spent the effort to solve the following
- How to make space travel efficient and low cost
- How to travel to another solar system or galaxy efficiently
Rather than debating on the 'shape of the earth'..
(Which is actually obvious for those who has decent mind) -
During the 8th-10th century muslims were the pioneers in many sciences. Lightyears ahead of Europe. In 2015 we are again confronted with muslims claiming the earth is flat. It's depressing to think about.
Peace
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And (the) people of Nuh before indeed they were a people defiantly disobedient. And the heaven We constructed it with strength, and indeed We are surely its Expanders. And the earth, we have spread it how excellent are the Spreaders.
Quran is telling us how the universe is Gods creation, expanding, just like the big bang theory describes. Then Quran goes on to tell us how the Earth was created; from a flat protoplanetary disk. The Quran uses the word l-mhidna, also used for bed, cradle. Clearly, Quran is speaking about the creation of earth - proto-planetary disks are the cradles of planets.
One unresolved issue with the current scientific model is that it cannot explain how the initial orbits of the proto-terrestrial planets, which would have needed to be highly eccentric to collide, produced the remarkably stable and nearly circular orbits they have today.
Of course science does not take into account God when dealing with proto-terrestial planets.
Peace
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The curse of religion and the (separate) god delusion.
Be well
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An interesting article about medieval mentality that influences scientific thought nowadays, evolution et al, and why, perhaps, we are not even supposed to "know" everything...
http//wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19230126p01.html
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Salam Brother,
I personally think the globe model of earth has been well Established when man stepped on moon for the first time.They got a visual of round earth for the first in human history. But it has been proved that moon landing is nothing but a Hollywood movie directed by Stunley Kubrick. There are so many things out there that does not satisfy me to believe in a globe model of earth. There is a relation between Illuminate,CERN,New World Order, reptilian shapeshifter,earth dome.You are a globe earthiest,right? So why do you think that the earth is more likely a globe?
I don't tend to think about the Earth being a globe or flat much, usually I'm just walking around doing other things, but when I look in the sky or in a telescope, the other heavenly bodies all appear to be round, like the moon, and the sun, and the stars, and they seem to be globes, so one can assume that the Earth might also be in space like those objects and might also be a globe like them rather than an entirely different shape, but it isn't really important to me anyway, and I don't know what the benefit would be for the evil cabal to really need to convince people of this, like if the Earth is a globe or not, what difference does it make?
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If communism was fully implemented in a nation no one would ever go hungry and it would prosper technologically and more love would be among the citizens as less people are outcasts, as long as the nation functions with its economy.
The idea of no one going hungry reminds me of UAE. They probably even don't know what homeless means. They don't have communism, but prince government. A patriotic leader is what a nation needs to keep poverty and hunger at bay. Every system of government is bound to fail in the hands of corrupted people. Doesn't matter if it is democracy or socialism.
Some kind of gravity exists or otherwise you would not be sucked towards the Earth's ground whenever you jump but bump your head in the ceiling of that theory of yours.
Magnetism exists because the Earth contains a magnetic field which various apparatus can measure.
I agree. It can be possible that whatever the thing is (aka gravity) did not get a proper explanation for which some phd people have began questioning its authenticity.
Then we also can ask ourselves what it is we see in telescopes when you behold planets and galaxies. Is it large video screens showing prerecorded material?
Thats the reason why I am not convinced about flat earth theory.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hAOP6Dnrl8It's much better to spent the effort to solve the following
- How to make space travel efficient and low cost
- How to travel to another solar system or galaxy efficiently
Agree!
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Thank you dear God, my brains did a nice worked after reading this thread.
Greetings from The Netherlands. May God increase our Knowledge.
Peace.
That is a pretty display picture you have there, do you have a link to a larger version?
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Peace All.
I cannot make out whether this is serious or a joke.
How can we prove the earth is whatever shape it is?
Do you think internet links can ever be a "proof"? Is this not what everyone is doing?
For example
http//www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae535.cfm
Have I proved to you the earth is spherical?
No?
Then I give up. By the way I have nothing to do with the "Illuminati"!!! What goes around comes around,perhaps it is round.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.I'm a top notch Illuminatus and I say the Earth is muddy and very wet!
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Can the Earth be a triangle? That might be cool.
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What if our brains are flat and that is why X rays show up on those flat sheets or whatever.
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Oh, I have a kind of serious question. For all of you who believe the Earth is flat, how is it you got started on this path of thinking? What were your first experiences and how were you convinced of it?
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The videoclip of the song "Another Brick in the Wall", by Pink Floyd, contains symbolism which many people don't see. It's describing how the indoctrination of the human being begins from childhood, during his school days.
Here's the link to this videoclip, which I consider to be one of the best ever made. See if you understand the symbolysm behind some of its segments, like for example
- The masks.
- The meat grinding machine.
- The compartment box classrooms.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U
What happens to a child's mind, when he enters the school classroom every day, and the first thing he sees is a spehrical earth sitting on his teacher's desk?
And here is a 4 minute clip from the 1976 film "Network", back in an age when newspapers were still independant sources of media. The film presents a satirical depiction of how the reality of people is shaped by what they see on television.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFvT_qEZJf8
What happens to a child as he grows up seeing science-fiction movies involving scenes like this one
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/th6QJL4TJJ_zpseg4adtf5.jpg
That's all it is. Fiction.
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I don't tend to think about the Earth being a globe or flat much, usually I'm just walking around doing other things, but when I look in the sky or in a telescope, the other heavenly bodies all appear to be round, like the moon, and the sun, and the stars, and they seem to be globes, so one can assume that the Earth might also be in space like those objects and might also be a globe like them rather than an entirely different shape, but it isn't really important to me anyway, and I don't know what the benefit would be for the evil cabal to really need to convince people of this, like if the Earth is a globe or not, what difference does it make?
So brother do you see the 3d globe model of sun,moon and the stars up in the sky? They are round that's right.Even a kindergarten student can verify this with telescope. But this doesn't mean that they have to be globes.May be they are round more likely plates.What to say about this?
What if our brains are flat and that is why X rays show up on those flat sheets or whatever.
Brother don't forget your globe earth was also shown up on flat sheets. If you are really confused about your brain then conduct a doctor.Don't get me wrong.That's not for your treatment. May be the doctor can show you the preserved human brain in laboratory. P
Then decide for your own.Then we also can ask ourselves what it is we see in telescopes when you behold planets and galaxies. Is it large video screens showing prerecorded material?
Brother, I am not denying or saying what we see through telescope is prerecorded,or they don't exist.May be these verse can give you a little picture of what we see up there.
376 We have adorned the lower heaven with the decoration of planets.
4112 Thus, He then made them into seven heavens in two days, and He inspired to every heaven its affair. And We adorned the lowest heaven with lamps, and for protection. Such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.
675 And We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing Fire. -
Brother Pazuzu has patience and concern for telling about all of these things to the forum, and to be honest, after seeing the responses, I'm not even sure if this forum deserve that.
I think so many people let themselves to be deceived, and arrogant to accept the truth, they underappreciate the lessons from God in the Qur'an, perhaps that's why they're blind (BLIND - in the real meaning), they don't aware of their blindness, they do not even understand why it is important to get free this deception, perhaps they prefer to be controlled by human, to be slaves of Godless people.
I hope that this is not as serious as what I'm worry about - which is associating the deceivers with their God. However, I have prediction that the enemies are working toward that (they want us to commit shirk unconsciously).
Members, if you concern about yourselves, then you better wake up, because there are evils who want you disobey God under unawareness, and they're keep working to mislead, looking for cracks and chances to fool you, while you're "unconscious" and "heedless".
By using this flat-earth issue, Pazuzu is trying to wake you up.
He cares - he doesn't want you blind.
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This drawing below, as primitive and childish as it may seem (I am not much of an artist), is a cross-sectional diagram of what our Earth actually looks like. Hope this will help you get the picture
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/LOLK_zpsob27wu6g.png
Dear Pazuzu, All
Thank you for your thought-provoking subject. I can understand that the arguments for this flat earth theory may seem impressive at first glance, but we have to be careful before making any hasty conclusions.
Now, let?s test this model using your illustration above, and compare it with what we can observe around us. I will focus my counter-argument on the ?shape/form of the sun? in your model.
If the sun in your model has a globe form, then you can never have night time on your flat earth in area N. But in reality, we can observe there exists a night time where we don?t see the sun as it is under the horizon; thus, the sun in your model cannot have a sphere form.
The second possibility would be that the sun in your model is a sort of plate-like lamp (like led lamps) with the possibility to focus the light beam in a certain region while excluding other region where there should be night time.
Let?s suppose we are standing in this scenario in the area E. from this perspective, the sun will have a round shape only at noon and an ellipse shape the rest of day!! The sun can only be round at noon. Outside region E, people can never see the sun in a round shape at any time, it will always look as an ellipse. Even more, the shape of the sun at sunset will look like an ellipse getting narrower until it vanishes high in the sky, it will not get down to the horizon and WILL NOT sink under it as we may observe in our reality during sunset.
To summarize my counter-argument, I will say that the flat earth model you are presenting cannot be valid as it is contradicting with what we can observe empirically The round shape of the sun during the day AND its asymmetrical form during sunrise and sunset happening at the horizon completely destroys this flat earth theory. I don't think anyone would be able to make an apparatus capable of modeling this theory while showing a round-shaped sun to an observer standing on his flat planet.
I hope my counter-argument is clear enough. If not, please feel free to ask for more details.
Peace
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If something is evil then it is the mainstream interpretation and translation of Quran.
Be well
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Brother Pazuzu has patience and concern for telling about all of these things to the forum, and to be honest, after seeing the responses, I'm not even sure if this forum deserve that.
I think so many people let themselves to be deceived, and arrogant to accept the truth, they underappreciate the lessons from God in the Qur'an, perhaps that's why they're blind (BLIND - in the real meaning), they don't aware of their blindness, they do not even understand why it is important to get free this deception, perhaps they prefer to be controlled by human, to be slaves of Godless people.
I hope that this is not as serious as what I'm worry about - which is associating the deceivers with their God. However, I have prediction that the enemies are working toward that (they want us to commit shirk unconsciously).
Members, if you concern about yourselves, then you better wake up, because there are evils who want you disobey God under unawareness, and they're keep working to mislead, looking for cracks and chances to fool you, while you're "unconscious" and "heedless".
By using this flat-earth issue, Pazuzu is trying to wake you up.
He cares - he doesn't want you blind.
Jvlette,
Dont try to deceive people and yourselves.
Think the world majority accepted and believe the earth is a sphere or spheroid, and so many photos are now available to confirm the same, ignore the photos there are so many basic factors like the horizon, the day and night, earth and moon's rotation period clearly explains the setup. NASA is not the only authority of world science and there are other countries who are well advanced in space technology, As you write in this forum you use the help of those satellites launched using the technology of those advanced countries you blame.
The Quran and its author just wants to warn people about this attitude then at the time of Mohammed, if one truly understood it.
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Similar to someone's post.
peace Pazuzu, all,
Please answer the following
- what shape is the sun?
- does light travel in a straight line?
- by "vanishing point" do you mean the sun moves away from an observer VERTICALLY or HORIZONTALLY or something else? In other words, what motion does the sun have in your view?
- how do you explain regions such as iceland which experience months of permanently visible sun, and months of permanently non-visible sun?
