Time To Change Your Paradigm
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This drawing below, as primitive and childish as it may seem (I am not much of an artist), is a cross-sectional diagram of what our Earth actually looks like. Hope this will help you get the picture
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/LOLK_zpsob27wu6g.png
Dear Pazuzu, All
Thank you for your thought-provoking subject. I can understand that the arguments for this flat earth theory may seem impressive at first glance, but we have to be careful before making any hasty conclusions.
Now, let?s test this model using your illustration above, and compare it with what we can observe around us. I will focus my counter-argument on the ?shape/form of the sun? in your model.
If the sun in your model has a globe form, then you can never have night time on your flat earth in area N. But in reality, we can observe there exists a night time where we don?t see the sun as it is under the horizon; thus, the sun in your model cannot have a sphere form.
The second possibility would be that the sun in your model is a sort of plate-like lamp (like led lamps) with the possibility to focus the light beam in a certain region while excluding other region where there should be night time.
Let?s suppose we are standing in this scenario in the area E. from this perspective, the sun will have a round shape only at noon and an ellipse shape the rest of day!! The sun can only be round at noon. Outside region E, people can never see the sun in a round shape at any time, it will always look as an ellipse. Even more, the shape of the sun at sunset will look like an ellipse getting narrower until it vanishes high in the sky, it will not get down to the horizon and WILL NOT sink under it as we may observe in our reality during sunset.
To summarize my counter-argument, I will say that the flat earth model you are presenting cannot be valid as it is contradicting with what we can observe empirically The round shape of the sun during the day AND its asymmetrical form during sunrise and sunset happening at the horizon completely destroys this flat earth theory. I don't think anyone would be able to make an apparatus capable of modeling this theory while showing a round-shaped sun to an observer standing on his flat planet.
I hope my counter-argument is clear enough. If not, please feel free to ask for more details.
Peace
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If something is evil then it is the mainstream interpretation and translation of Quran.
Be well
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Brother Pazuzu has patience and concern for telling about all of these things to the forum, and to be honest, after seeing the responses, I'm not even sure if this forum deserve that.
I think so many people let themselves to be deceived, and arrogant to accept the truth, they underappreciate the lessons from God in the Qur'an, perhaps that's why they're blind (BLIND - in the real meaning), they don't aware of their blindness, they do not even understand why it is important to get free this deception, perhaps they prefer to be controlled by human, to be slaves of Godless people.
I hope that this is not as serious as what I'm worry about - which is associating the deceivers with their God. However, I have prediction that the enemies are working toward that (they want us to commit shirk unconsciously).
Members, if you concern about yourselves, then you better wake up, because there are evils who want you disobey God under unawareness, and they're keep working to mislead, looking for cracks and chances to fool you, while you're "unconscious" and "heedless".
By using this flat-earth issue, Pazuzu is trying to wake you up.
He cares - he doesn't want you blind.
Jvlette,
Dont try to deceive people and yourselves.
Think the world majority accepted and believe the earth is a sphere or spheroid, and so many photos are now available to confirm the same, ignore the photos there are so many basic factors like the horizon, the day and night, earth and moon's rotation period clearly explains the setup. NASA is not the only authority of world science and there are other countries who are well advanced in space technology, As you write in this forum you use the help of those satellites launched using the technology of those advanced countries you blame.
The Quran and its author just wants to warn people about this attitude then at the time of Mohammed, if one truly understood it.
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Similar to someone's post.
peace Pazuzu, all,
Please answer the following
- what shape is the sun?
- does light travel in a straight line?
- by "vanishing point" do you mean the sun moves away from an observer VERTICALLY or HORIZONTALLY or something else? In other words, what motion does the sun have in your view?
- how do you explain regions such as iceland which experience months of permanently visible sun, and months of permanently non-visible sun?
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Brother Pazuzu has patience and concern for telling about all of these things to the forum, and to be honest, after seeing the responses, I'm not even sure if this forum deserve that.
I think so many people let themselves to be deceived, and arrogant to accept the truth, they underappreciate the lessons from God in the Qur'an, perhaps that's why they're blind (BLIND - in the real meaning), they don't aware of their blindness, they do not even understand why it is important to get free this deception, perhaps they prefer to be controlled by human, to be slaves of Godless people.
I hope that this is not as serious as what I'm worry about - which is associating the deceivers with their God. However, I have prediction that the enemies are working toward that (they want us to commit shirk unconsciously).
Members, if you concern about yourselves, then you better wake up, because there are evils who want you disobey God under unawareness, and they're keep working to mislead, looking for cracks and chances to fool you, while you're "unconscious" and "heedless".
By using this flat-earth issue, Pazuzu is trying to wake you up.
He cares - he doesn't want you blind.
That is nice, I guess it can be said Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses care too when they knock on people's doors to tell them lies. So what if, even on accident, the flat earth people are the deceivers and misleading ones? What if they are the ones lying?
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If something is evil then it is the mainstream interpretation and translation of Quran.
Be well
I think there are probably more overtly evil things than that. I use the mainstream one for the most part since I don't have yours yet and it tends to do alright seeming regardless of the possible errors throughout.
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Brother Pazuzu has patience and concern for telling about all of these things to the forum, and to be honest, after seeing the responses, I'm not even sure if this forum deserve that.
I think so many people let themselves to be deceived, and arrogant to accept the truth, they underappreciate the lessons from God in the Qur'an, perhaps that's why they're blind (BLIND - in the real meaning), they don't aware of their blindness, they do not even understand why it is important to get free this deception, perhaps they prefer to be controlled by human, to be slaves of Godless people.
I hope that this is not as serious as what I'm worry about - which is associating the deceivers with their God. However, I have prediction that the enemies are working toward that (they want us to commit shirk unconsciously).
Members, if you concern about yourselves, then you better wake up, because there are evils who want you disobey God under unawareness, and they're keep working to mislead, looking for cracks and chances to fool you, while you're "unconscious" and "heedless".
By using this flat-earth issue, Pazuzu is trying to wake you up.
He cares - he doesn't want you blind.
If you are unaware, how can you be blamed?
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I suppose you could search the information about those by yourself, Wakas, if you really interested to study this issue.
Perhaps you could join this forum http//ifers.boards.net/, and put your questions there.
Even as 'flat-earther', I myself also still have questions regarding this issue.
But, I'm not going to deny that the Qur'an informs me that the earth is flat. That lesson is there in the Qur'an. For me, quite many verses tell me about the heavens and the earth, perhaps that's why I'm interested about this issue.
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I suppose you can search the information about those by yourself, Wakas, if you really interested to study this issue.
Perhaps you could join this forum http//ifers.boards.net/, and put your questions there.
Even as 'flat-earther', I myself also still have questions regarding this issue.
But, I'm not going to deny that the Qur'an informs me that the earth is flat. That lesson is there in the Qur'an. For me, quite many verses tell me about the heavens and the earth, perhaps that's why I'm interested about this issue.
Where does the Qur'an say that the whole planet of Earth is a flat disc? The land before us is clearly spread out, but even that isn't flat. If you're going to take it so literally, and believe "flat" was said, how is that true? There are mountains, and up and down constantly, none of it is flat or level, its all up and down constantly. Is it just totally random that this belief comes upon people? Is it because of the Qur'an that people end up going in this direction, while at the same time many followers of the Qur'an brag about it talking about a round "egg-shaped" Earth ahead of its time. If the Qur'an said "the land is flat" it would be a lie since it isn't flat but all sorts of levels and heights and depths.
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Will they not then look
at the camelus ? how was it proportioned?
And/or, at the sky ? how was it lifted?
And/or, at the mountains ? how were they erected?
And/or, at the earth ? how was it flattened?
CU
Sreh
8817-20Ar. ? () can denote flatness,
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Will they not then look
at the camelus ? how was it proportioned?
And/or, the sky ? how was it lifted?
And/or, the mountains ? how were they erected?
And/or, the earth ? how was it flattened?
CU
Sreh
8817-20http//islamawakened.com/quran/88/20/
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If there are no satellites, where are owners of satellite TV equipment aiming their discs?
If one knows the technology they know the LNB receives microwaves from the satellite which are reflected by the disc and unto the LNB receptor area. If there are no satellites it means they magically receive satellite TV out of the blue.
And it is not possible to talk that away by saying it is deception because many people know the technology and how it works and I know it briefly myself. They are not receiving a signal from the Earth's surface because it is a logically impossibility because the reflector area is clearly facing the skies.
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Hail freedomstands,
Trust me. If you had my interpretation and translation, and in your right mind, you would not look for another, after I finish it.
Right now it is a long way to go I have only finished a part of chapter 2 and chapter 36 and I have to edit the translation so it sounds more fluent because right now the word order is very Arabic thus literal and English does not feel very coherent to read that way.
Be well
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All Flat-Earth believers So what do you think about Felix Baumgartner that jumped at a 128k feet? The planet obviously looks round https//youtu.be/7f-K-XnHi9I?t=1m15s
Here is a better footage
https//youtu.be/ZyIVaZXDhho?t=5m8s
https//youtu.be/FHtvDA0W34I?t=50s
I really don't understand how people can still believe in the flat Earth myth. Even if NASA was lying about what it does other space agencies would be the first to report that. NASA isn't the only space agency that exists. The Russians have one too and so do probaly the Indians. And then you have the European space agency. The point is? Even if NASA was lying it would not be able to get away with it. I'm 100% sure that NASA is NOT lying about anything. Everything it says is TRUE. You can't lie about these things.
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Hail freedomstands,
Trust me. If you had my interpretation and translation, and in your right mind, you would not look for another, after I finish it.
Right now it is a long way to go I have only finished a part of chapter 2 and chapter 36 and I have to edit the translation so it sounds more fluent because right now the word order is very Arabic thus literal and English does not feel very coherent to read that way.
Be well
Sounds good, I'm glad you're working on it at least!
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@FS, plz don't F. quote me while I'm still editing!
Further, What is this supposed to mean!?
Why would I rely on others' "translations" when I can read the original language myself!?
Because it appears that the concept of "spread out" seems to be prevalent and that it seems unnecessary to insist that the only possible meaning of that verse is that the Earth is a flat disc.
I didn't know you were editing, but how would I have even known you were editing? Does it say somewhere? I just saw the post and replied to it, the quote was automatic or whatever and I didn't remove it. Please let me know if there are some tips to know if you're editing or not once you have posted.
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Because it appears that the concept of "spread out" seems to be prevalent and that it seems unnecessary to insist that the only possible meaning of that verse is that the Earth is a flat disc.
I didn't know you were editing, but how would I have even known you were editing? Does it say somewhere? I just saw the post and replied to it, the quote was automatic or whatever and I didn't remove it. Please let me know if there are some tips to know if you're editing or not once you have posted.
You could have just copypasted your link (beneath my post) ~ no need to quote/reduplicate (for no reason)!
That said, I am truly NOT interested in wasting my time confuting your fallacies. So, plz keep your distance. -
You could have just copypasted your link (beneath my post) ~ no need to quote/reduplicate (for no reason)!
That said, I am truly NOT interested in wasting my time confuting your fallacies. So, plz keep your distance.I'm in Vancouver, is that far from where you are? Maybe not too far if the Earth is also fold-able.
Please do let me know though, with a loudspeaker if possible due to my great distance that I am to keep, what fallacies I might make in order that I might correct myself. It is your duty, isn't it, according to the Qur'an to help me out where possible? I do claim to be a fellow Muslim Hanif like you. I never said the Earth was round or the Earth was flat, I just pointed out that many people refer to the meaning of that verse as "spread out" whereas the Earth as it appears to us visually is not literally flat or level but does appear spread out and vast at least. As for a specific "flat" disc shape, I don't know, this is maybe some of the only times I've heard of such a thing and the Qur'an didn't seem to say anything so specific anyway, which is what I was trying to point out.
