Time To Change Your Paradigm

good_logic

Peace brothers and sisters.

I honestly thought this thread will not go as far as 10 or so posts. I was wrong!

No doubt it will go on....

Well, best wishes to all of you.

Even if you have to turn away from them, as you pursue the mercy of your Lord, you shall treat them in the nicest manner.

Kind words and compassion are better than ... God is Rich, Clement

Tell My servants to treat each other in the best possible manner, for the devil will always try to drive a wedge among them. Surely, the devil is man's most ardent enemy.

Happy discussion to all, the round and the flat.

GOD bless you all ,brothers and sisters.
Peace .
Over and out from this thread for now.

FreedomStands

Peace brothers and sisters.

I honestly thought this thread will not go as far as 10 or so posts. I was wrong!

No doubt it will go on....

Well, best wishes to all of you.

Even if you have to turn away from them, as you pursue the mercy of your Lord, you shall treat them in the nicest manner.

Kind words and compassion are better than ... God is Rich, Clement

Tell My servants to treat each other in the best possible manner, for the devil will always try to drive a wedge among them. Surely, the devil is man's most ardent enemy.

Happy discussion to all, the round and the flat.

GOD bless you all ,brothers and sisters.
Peace .
Over and out from this thread for now.

I feel that I was maybe a part of keeping it rolling.

JavaLatte

Salam everybody,

There's a verse in the Qur'an that's been bothering me!

725

Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
725 there shall you live" - He added - "and there shall you die, and thence shall you be brought forth !

Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
725 He said, "On it you will live, on it you will die, and from it you will be brought out.",

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
725 He said, "You shall live on earth and die there and be resurrected from there.?

Please read the context; but the verse is clearly implying that humans shall live on earth and die on earth!

The first time I read this verse I remember that I was bothered asking, "What if some astronaut dies on Moon or on Mars?!"

I think this verse is speaking that we humans are earth-bound!

Blue Haha, that's a good question.

Nice input. Thank you.

noble

Salam, and Hello,

Pazuzu does not shy from taking on difficult subjects, he convinced me about Yemen with his diligent research gathering of Arabic and Hebrew resources, and for me it was indeed a paradigm shift as to the history of prophecy on Earth that led to Quran.

However on the subject of flat earth, I am not so sure.

I have a very open mind, so open bordering on the gullible.

As someone with some scientific training (I did some research and was exposed to science groups)

I find it very hard to believe that the field of astronomy is a big hoax, because of the intricate and immense complexity of all the science behind it, and the cataloguing of stars, galaxies, following measurable patterns, can just be dismissed as a scenario conjured up by some occult groups to blind us to the existence of a dome with a lamp and a refracting lens.

After all, Allah Himself said in the Quran that the creation of the Skies is far more complex than our own creation, so what's the point, if we cannot explore it? that He put a limit, that we cannot do it without his leave means that we will only be able to do it if He allows it, which is about anything that can be done, or not.

Sorry, this is absurd.
In this case, I am not convinced.

Nothing more to add.

Nabil
twitter @inabster, @meNabster

noble

Salam Bro. Pazuzu

I watched some of the Youtube posted, the arguments about flat earth are not convincing at all, I just need look at the moon, with the naked eye I can see craters on the surface, and it looks spherical because it is.
Is the moon I see through naked eyes and binoculars a lens? come on.

Maybe the stuff about going into space is a hoax, but using composite pictures as a proof of a cover-up that the earth is in fact flat does not wash, because if they could not get into higher space to take a full picture, the only option is to collate pictures from different angles and make a composite of a round earth.

Also, composite images from analysing spectroscopy readings of wavelengths from planets is a valid way of building a model to depict a planet, besides even astronomers amateurs can see stars and planets... or are their telescopes hacked too to show them fake images?

Allah refers to planets as kawkab, something round. The Earth and the Moon are round.

Pazuzu you are being hoaxed, not by NASA but by flat-earthers

unknownuser

Allah refers to planets as kawkab, something round.

The way I see it, kawkab refers to something which is bright/shiny/colorful, not expressly something which is round.

The Quran tells us that the LOWER heaven has been adorned with things that are bright and shiny. So the sky that is near us, just beyond the dome, is where the kawakib are situated. It is not hundreds of light years away, as they claim.

But of course, the heavens are great and expansive. Who knows what is out there?

The Earth and the Moon are round.

Doesn't mean they are solid spheres that can be walked on. The reason you think you see craters on the moon, is because the moon is coated with a certan metal (mineral) that gives it a phosphorent property, causing it to glow. It is basically a plano-convex lens, a one-sided mirror of sorts (bulging on one side, so the other side is never visible to us), coated with silver alloy. It catches the rays of the sun, absorbs them, and refracts them upon the Earth in the soft, glowing manner which we see. The moon is not something that we can walk on.

Stanley Kubrick, who shot the moon landings in a studio, inserted a message in his film "2001 A Space Odyssey", which actually came out one year before the Apollo 11 hoax. By decoding this message, you can see he was trying to warn us of something

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=excskT6ix_g (4 minutes)

Want to see the New-Delhi to Chicago flight path and how the AstroNOTS are lying scumbags? Listen very carefully to what this guy is saying, and you will understand the famous quote "the rope of lying is short". It is because when you lie, and then keep on inventing further lies to defend your original lie, you are going to slip up somewhere.

These Satanic deceivers, whose logo features a red serpent tongue, are filming their "spacewalks" right here on Earth. They conduct their interviews while being attached to a harness, which is then hidden by means of a green screen. You can tell they are wearing the harness (look at the position of their elbows and the bulge in their shirts, and the way their knees are bent).

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJLag-n33c (7 minutes)

Peace...

FreedomStands

The way I see it, kawkab refers to something which is bright/shiny/colorful, not expressly something which is round.

The Quran tells us that the LOWER heaven has been adorned with things that are bright and shiny. So the sky that is near us, just beyond the dome, is where the kawakib are situated. It is not hundreds of light years away, as they claim.

But of course, the heavens are great and expansive. Who knows what is out there?

Doesn't mean they are solid spheres that can be walked on. The reason you think you see craters on the moon, is because the moon is coated with a certan metal (mineral) that gives it a phosphorent property, causing it to glow. It is basically a plano-convex lens, a one-sided mirror of sorts (bulging on one side, so the other side is never visible to us), coated with silver alloy. It catches the rays of the sun, absorbs them, and refracts them upon the Earth in the soft, glowing manner which we see. The moon is not something that we can walk on.

Stanley Kubrick, who shot the moon landings in a studio, inserted a message in his film "2001 A Space Odyssey", which actually came out one year before the Apollo 11 hoax. By decoding this message, you can see he was trying to warn us of something

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=excskT6ix_g (4 minutes)

Want to see the New-Delhi to Chicago flight path and how the AstroNOTS are lying scumbags? Listen very carefully to what this guy is saying, and you will understand the famous quote "the rope of lying is short". It is because when you lie, and then keep on inventing further lies to defend your original lie, you are going to slip up somewhere.

These Satanic deceivers, whose logo features a red serpent tongue, are filming their "spacewalks" right here on Earth. They conduct their interviews while being attached to a harness, which is then hidden by means of a green screen. You can tell they are wearing the harness (look at the position of their elbows and the bulge in their shirts, and the way their knees are bent).

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJLag-n33c (7 minutes)

Peace...

Why do you say its a convex shape though that can't be walked upon? Where in the Qur'an does it say that it is that shape? If it is called a lamp, why isn't that taken as literally as possible as well? In ancient times they didn't have glow in the dark lamps or anything, they had flame lamps.

noble

Hi Bro Pazuzu,

I have great respect for your work on South West Arabia compiling research on origins of Mankind and Prophecy,
but in this case of flat earth, I think you are misled.

Not that I doubt they are faking their ability to reach the upper atmospheres of Earth, or even that they are unable to achieve space travel,

it is rather to do with Mechanics and Physics, Newton did not have CGI, Euclid before him did not have computer resources, yet they elaborated models of how the Earth and the Cosmos behave.

How about the Mayans which are even closer to us, did they fake their astronomical measurements?

The theories are sound until there are better theories that replace them.

We use them in our daily lives to predict motion of objects and interactions.

It is measurable, the equations are just models, I was a mathematical modeller once in theoretical chemistry, the Schroedinger equation, quantum chemistry and semi classical models are just maps.

We are limited in what we see, and we are limited by the accuracy of our instruments.

But it will take an impossible feat to devise a false model that covers all the angles.

You are wasting your time, I strongly reckon.

For me the feat of making such an elaborate construct as the Cosmos increases my belief in God not diminishes it, though a dome, a ceiling, a lamp and a prism, surrounded by ice diminishes it and confines it, and He said the Cosmos is a greater creation than Earth and ourselves.

Being very intelligent can be sometimes a curse, when you accept to be fed the wrong parameters.

How about turning this on its head and positing for a change that this conspiracy of flat earth is injected to confuse, and make us waste time on polemics, instead of dealing with developing our Nations and defending ourselves from the real enemy, Zionism and its Weapons of Death?

There are even those who argue that nukes do not exist... conspiracies can also be used as disinformation with intent.

hicham9

This is stage one @Paz.

JavaLatte

That's a beautiful shot, hicham.

I wonder if we perhaps could make a new thread to collect flat earth documentation.

unknownuser

Yes, hicham.

Although I suspect that we will be moving into stage 2 very soon. I also believe that the Occult Masters are planning another stage event soon, while the world is busy debating the Qatar World Cup and Lady Gaga's new album.

What do you see when you magnify the moon or look at it with binoculars on a clear, crisp day?

A transparent lens, perhaps?

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf-JhXP0y1Q (4 minutes)

Doesn't it look like you can see the sky straight through it, in some areas? The dark patches are the sky behind it, while the white patches are the metallic alloy coating that give it is luminous glow property. Call me nuts, but I see a lens, not a planet.

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=P258pAFtbhM (8 minutes)

This is why people think it's a hologram (like David Icke, for example).

I don't agree with David Icke on this issue (this is the same guy who claims the British Royal family are reptilian shapeshifters). It is not a hologram. It is definately a solid object; a plano-convex lens, which gives us the illusion that it is spherical.

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-xgz3bomi0 (16 minutes)

https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=apm4dYrh04c (2 minutes)

Some paranoid people think they are noticing that the moon "suddenly" doesn't seem "right". Actually, they are waking up to what the moon really is, by trusting their own eyes, and not the magic of NASA.

@Nabster

I will demonstrate for you soon other examples of real, empirical science, vs. pseudo-science, and how they mix the two together to mask their deceptions

noble

Salam Bro Pazuzu,

I will need far more tangible proofs than videos of a transparent moon (which can be made to look that way with Adobe Software)...

to turn upside down all of reality to fit a Flat Earth scenario.

noble

Bro Pazuzu, also you seem to have neglected your work on South West Arabia,

now being obsessed with this flat earth theory,

don't you think this is where they want you to be ?

runninglikezebras

@TheNabster imho his posts about Yemen completely fits into the category of flat earth, people growing out of eggs and the beast of the earth being worms.

Total disinformation.

Peace

faruk

Bro Pazuzu, also you seem to have neglected your work on South West Arabia,

now being obsessed with this flat earth theory,

don't you think this is where they want you to be ?

exactly. That is my greatest fear. Pazuzu's great work involving south west arabia will be mesured equally with this nonsense of flat earth theory and be discarded both as rubbish,

FreedomStands

That's a beautiful shot, hicham.

I wonder if we perhaps could make a new thread to collect flat earth documentation.

I think you guys should have your own sub-forum on here and should gather together and petition the administration of this website to make you a sub forum like the 19 Rashad Khalifa people got.

FreedomStands

Salam Bro Pazuzu,

I will need far more tangible proofs than videos of a transparent moon (which can be made to look that way with Adobe Software)...

to turn upside down all of reality to fit a Flat Earth scenario.

That wasn't photoshop haha, the moon does actually look like that, just like a mountain looks like that at a distance too.

http//optics.kulgun.net/Blue-Mountains/

https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_perspective

http//www.scenicworld.com.au/my-mountains/why-are-the-blue-mountains-blue/

https//answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100109030209AAh56Xj

Pazuzu, could it be that you might actually know more about the Occult than the Occultists?

FreedomStands