Time To Change Your Paradigm
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Also why do you have a demon as your username and display picture?
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exactly. That is my greatest fear. Pazuzu's great work involving south west arabia will be mesured equally with this nonsense of flat earth theory and be discarded both as rubbish,
Peace,
to be frank, if he started with the theory of flat earth, I would not have bothered with reading on the Asir/Yemen posts or essays. -
In this case, as in every case everything must be taken on its own merits. People, we all, are imperfect, but not necessarily wrong in everything. Therefore, rather than go to the person, we should stick to taking each question by itself.
In general, in science, there are many questions which are open, there will always be and sometimes it is good to have challenges and be shaken to get off worn tracks. Science has made its history with many wrong turns that made possible other turns which turned out to be right. So nothing is lost and time will eventually settle the dust and things will clear.
It is good from time to time to have a good look at things that we take for granted independently of us being wrong or right.
Salaam
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Peace,
to be frank, if he started with the theory of flat earth, I would not have bothered with reading on the Asir/Yemen posts or essays.So because you like his "Yemen" stories caused you to believe that all that he says on "Yemen" is true??
I read his "Yemen" story.. and I don't believe all of that story is false..
There are some truth, yet also so many falsehood in his "Yemen" story..
As the best practices to create a 'believable fake' story is to mix truth within a whole bunch of falsehood.In this case, as in every case everything must be taken on its own merits. People, we all, are imperfect, but not necessarily wrong in everything. Therefore, rather than go to the person, we should stick to taking each question by itself.
True and agree...
Just because A said X and X is false
Doesn't mean
A said Y and Y is also false..And vice versa..
If A said X and X is true
Doesn't mean
A said Y and Y is also true.. -
Can someone show me this Yemen thing?
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So because you like his "Yemen" stories caused you to believe that all that he says on "Yemen" is true??
I read his "Yemen" story.. and I don't believe all of that story is false..
There are some truth, yet also so many falsehood in his "Yemen" story..
As the best practices to create a 'believable fake' story is to mix truth within a whole bunch of falsehood.Salaam,
LOL!
It has nothing to do with like or dislike.
They are not his stories, it is based on works by Salabi, old Arabic writings, analysis of Quranic verses, geography and archaeology, and the fact that no works have proved the existence of remnants of King David, Solomon or Sheba Kingdoms in the ME or traces of Israelites in Egypt, as Ayman and Layth did.Also what this sad Flat Earth story is telling me, is that those who like to subvert, I mean maybe those who are concerned about the truth being uncovered, have put Pazuzu where they want him to be, as they discredited Salabi too.
What is clear to me as an ex-Scientist, is that not one single Scientist worth his salt has ever come forward as a whistleblower for the supposedly round Earth "cover-up".
This in itself is highly telling that flat earth hypothesis is a trojan horse put in to ridicule those prone to fall into the trap of defending it -
I agree with the Nabster in this. And it is very unfair for Pazuzu for he has really done a hell of a job with the Qura'nic version of such narrations in which the Qur'anic version has been wholly subverted by straneous stories from hte bible or others.
Which is why I say again let each thing stand on its own merits and leave alone the persons.
Salaam
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I agree with the Nabster in this. And it is very unfair for Pazuzu for he has really done a hell of a job with the Qura'nic version of such narrations in which the Qur'anic version has been wholly subverted by straneous stories from hte bible or others.
Which is why I say again let each thing stand on its own merits and leave alone the persons.
Salaam
If I were Pazuzu, which I am not, but if I were in his shoes so to speak, I will always when I present a hypothesis put a disclaimer that I might be wrong, it is good practice, even in Science, and especially with controversial subjects.
As for beliefs, if I believe the Earth is Flat, no evidence will ever convince me of the contrary,
human minds are very tricky on the matter of beliefs and have a knack at finding proof for them, and ruling out anything that challenges them, despite any evidence to the contrary,
this is why Allah sent Prophets and Messengers, and He clearly said it, Man was created weak, even going as far that that which we cannot prove and have no knowledege of, we should steer away from debating, not knowing everything is not a sin.
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human minds are very tricky on the matter of beliefs and have a knack at finding proof for them, and ruling out anything that challenges them, despite any evidence to the contrary,
this is why Allah sent Prophets and Messengers, and He clearly said it, Man was created weak, even going as far that that which we cannot prove and have no knowledege of, we should steer away from debating, not knowing everything is not a sin.
My thoughts exactly.
And for people wishing to debate, then someone suggested that there be just listed facts; for and against and leave it for the readers to judge for themselves, that would be a lot better.
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603137.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0
Thank you so much!
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If I were Pazuzu, which I am not, but if I were in his shoes so to speak, I will always when I present a hypothesis put a disclaimer that I might be wrong, it is good practice, even in Science, and especially with controversial subjects.
As for beliefs, if I believe the Earth is Flat, no evidence will ever convince me of the contrary,
human minds are very tricky on the matter of beliefs and have a knack at finding proof for them, and ruling out anything that challenges them, despite any evidence to the contrary,
this is why Allah sent Prophets and Messengers, and He clearly said it, Man was created weak, even going as far that that which we cannot prove and have no knowledege of, we should steer away from debating, not knowing everything is not a sin.
The joke is that there is no Earth at all in our immediate experience. It isn't like most of us experience the sight of a round Earth or a flat earth from a ship in space or anything ourselves, we just have experiences, those experiences are information, and the information we experience doesn't really occur in any particular location necessarily, since location itself is just information as well, we exist and experience whatever Allah makes us experience, one day we might go in a space ship and see a round Earth, the other day we might see a flat Earth, and we might remember it was always that way or it might seem like a change, all of it is incredibly easy for Allah since it is just information manipulated, down to how we believe and what we believe.
So that is why I find the whole thing largely irrelevant, though I have no problem with the scientists or their models. Then again, I'm a full blown Occutlist.
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The Earth is actually an illusion and made of energy keeping its integrity due to its sustainer.
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The Earth is actually an illusion and made of energy keeping its integrity due to its sustainer.
Yeah, not too different from what I was saying maybe.
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I concur. This integrity of energy is kept in the way the Mendelejev table shows us.
Quran has two explicit references to electron count as far as I know
And of everything We have created pairs, that you may remember => reference to deuterium aka heavy hydrogen that is 14.5 billion years old.
Over it is 19 => reference to potassium
If God created the universe with a word, that word would probably have been 'hydrogen'
Peace
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I think you guys should have your own sub-forum on here and should gather together and petition the administration of this website to make you a sub forum like the 19 Rashad Khalifa people got.
No thank you.
Perhaps, ye are interested in having "your own sub-forum"!
Why not call it -The ball? we live in is an "illusion"!-?
?Or. The solid, flat ground (we stand upon) !?
Ps. don't ye dare start a new sect, tho!
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No thank you.
Perhaps, ye are interested in having "your own sub-forum"!
Why not call it "The ball? we live in is an illusion!"?
?Or. The solid, flat ground (we stand upon)!?
Ps. don't ye dare start a new sect, tho!
I emailed this privately to pazuzu, I think it's good I make it public
Salam Hi Bro pazuzu,
Why the sudden fascination and conversion to this Flat Earth business?
You did a tremendous job on SW Arabia, why get sucked in with the Flat Earthers, they don't have a single Scientist of repute to back up their claims, only conjecture and lousy videos.
If you wish to bounce ideas with me, please do, we can create a social network pressure group asking for NASA &/or the Russian Space Agency to invite a representative to ascertain once and for all this Flat Earth / Round Earth debate.
While Saudi and Israel are busy destroying evidence of Prophethoods in SW Arabia, please don't get diverted and distracted on this flat earth red herring.
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I emailed this privately to pazuzu, I think it's good I make it public
Salam Hi Bro pazuzu,
Why the sudden fascination and conversion to this Flat Earth business?
You did a tremendous job on SW Arabia, why get sucked in with the Flat Earthers, they don't have a single Scientist of repute to back up their claims, only conjecture and lousy videos.
If you wish to bounce ideas with me, please do, we can create a social network pressure group asking for NASA &/or the Russian Space Agency to invite a representative to ascertain once and for all this Flat Earth / Round Earth debate.
While Saudi and Israel are busy destroying evidence of Prophethoods in SW Arabia, please don't get diverted and distracted on this flat earth red herring.
. I'm with you.
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If they could call us "the flat earthers",
then it's mean... we could call them "the ball earthers"? ;D
Chuckle!
Ironic, indeed! ;DLet's not forget the ball earthers' head shape!
http//41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1yuw3rQBP1rt6dvto1_1280.jpg
It's FLAT!
Sad, indeed!