Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Salam
Anything in the Quran is for our guidance and all that is required from us is to
1 Keep listening2 Then Study carefully
3 Then Submit to or apply the concept
4 Then Wait or be patient for the result
5 And finally Enjoy the fruits of your work
The lunar and solar are two calendar systems approved in the Quran for reckoning of years and fractional portions of a year meaning detail information. Therefore both lunar and solar calendars are islamic!
For lunar (shahar) calendar system 105
The pronoun hu that suffix the word qaddara is referring only to the moon, the word manazila is referring to the stages or phases of the moon form beginning to the end. 3639 contains additional information about the moon and its phases. The words aada and qadeem are the additional information, aada in the context means complete/return/end and qadeem means initial/old/early stage. Therefore aada ending is kal urjuun returning like qadeem beginning
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_450px.gif/200px-Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_450px.gif
Moon phase?s link
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase
2015 Moon Phases
The new moon at location X will be born at 0224 on 16 of July 2015 and ends at 1553 on 14 of August 2015 therefore the duration is 29days 13hours 29minutes
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html
How to observe Ramadan
If new moon is born before fajar that day should be observed and whenever a fasting is started then its completion is night 2187
The 100% un-illuminated portion by an observer during the phases of the moon is always the beginning then followed by the illuminated in stages until it returns back as clearly explained in 3639
Information worth pointing in verses 105 and 1712 is the word hisab which is referring to the fractional information of any given year. If sanat is referring to the whole year then hisab is referring to additional months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, seconds etc.
Remember yawm al-hisab day of reckoning/mathematical computation of our deeds. The day when all records shall be displayed in numbers please note kitabun marqum in 839 & 8320
Therefore the period of Ramadan is to be determining by computation, if computation is not accessible then by physical stages as both are acceptable in the Quran.
731-4 the command to measure night proportionately.
7320 they were able to measure closely adna instead of exactly please note an lan tuhusuhu as a confirmation of their in-capability because they do not have the means/instruments/devices as we have today for accurate calculation of the hours of days and nights thus fataba alaykum meaning an option for measurement is granted
The following verses also supports that Allah does not burden a soul beyond its capability
2286
742
2362
For solar calendar system 1712
In the Quran day and night are independent 1712 but as a whole i.e. the 24 hours day starts after the sunset when the night begins and ends on the next sunset, please note the word waja?alna meaning And We set/made. Did you notice the sequence, the night 1st then the day the same as it happens in moon?s phases, the 0% of illumination then followed by the illuminated phases until it returns.
Calendar related links for further studies
http//www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac06
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epact
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_calendar
Calendar conversion
This is another useful link for calendar conversion
https//www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/ -
In the Quran day and night are independent 1712 but as a whole i.e. the 24 hours day starts after the sunset when the night begins and ends on the next sunset, please note the word waja?alna meaning And We set/made. Did you notice the sequence, the night 1st then the day the same as it happens in moon?s phases, the 0% of illumination then followed by the illuminated phases until it returns.
Salaam,
Red Please consider 3640. A 24 hours day cannot start at sunset but at sunrise.
3640
It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam,
Red Please consider 3640. A 24 hours day cannot start at sunset but at sunrise.
3640
It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanSalam
The phrase is tell us that the earth will never spin back because it is on computation and it must reach the computed period
Please study the word ajalin musamma in 3513
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Salam
The phrase is tell us that the earth will never spin back because it is on computation and it must reach the computed period
Please study the word ajalin musamma in 3513
Salaam,
There is no mention of earth in that phrase nor in the aayat bro. That phrase talks about alLayl and alNahaar. And it clearly says that the night does not overtake the day. That means, the night cannot come before the day. Simple as that.
The 24 hours day starts from alNahaar and not from alLayl. This is how I understand from this phrase.
And even 3513 does not talk about earth. And yes there is a fixed ajal for their rotation/swimming for all mentioned in that aayat.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam,
There is no mention of earth in that phrase nor in the aayat bro. That phrase talks about alLayl and alNahaar. And it clearly says that the night does not overtake the day. That means, the night cannot come before the day. Simple as that.
The 24 hours day starts from alNahaar and not from alLayl. This is how I understand from this phrase.
And even 3513 does not talk about earth. And yes there is a fixed ajal for their rotation/swimming for all mentioned in that aayat.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanSalam
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Globespin.gif/220px-Globespin.gif
That is how day and night is appearing on the earth by its rotation
Is that what you are denying?
The detailed information in the Quran is not only a literary work by its designer, rather it is an intellectual design for those who minded to reflect.
Therefore intellectual information of the Quran are laid/kept in the mind/brain of the intellectual/professionals. 2949
That is why those who possessed knowledge before knowing the Quran quickly submit to the lord of the creations after they acknowledge it. 17107
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Salam
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Globespin.gif/220px-Globespin.gif
That is how day and night is appearing on the earth by its rotation
Is that what you are denying?
The detailed information in the Quran is not only a literary work by its designer, rather it is an intellectual design for those who minded to reflect.
Therefore intellectual information of the Quran are laid/kept in the mind/brain of the intellectual/professionals. 2949
That is why those who possessed knowledge before knowing the Quran quickly submit to the lord of the creations after they acknowledge it. 17107
Salaam brother,
Did I deny anything? Please do not overlook my messages.
And I did not claim that I am an intellectual nor a professional, but I am just a Muslim to my Lord, Allah alone.I understand that usage of words in alQuraan/alKitaab is very very precise and particularly used. We cannot replace them with other words. When Allah talks about alNahaar and alLayl you cannot change it with earth rotation or whatever. It is only about alNahaar and alLayl. If you don't like to agree with this, then there is no point in discussing it further.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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A Sunni woman told me today that she fasted yesterday because it was a mandatory "preparation fast". Have I missed something in the scripture?
I started fasting at the beginning of the month just to get a head start.
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Salaam,
I was thinking, if Shahr means Full Moon and Ramadhaan means Hottest, then
Shahru Ramadhaan = Hottest Full MoonWhat does this means? Please take a look at http//www.universetoday.com/19969/red-moon/
And also please note that the phrase 2185 is all about singular full moon. Even is singular. So, does it mean when someone witnesses the single red/hottest full moon is the one day Ramadhaan?
http//www.space.com/15689-lunar-eclipses.html
If so, then what means 2184? Does this mean that hottest moon appears 3-9 times in a year? I got stuck here -\
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salami,
Ayat 183 says that fasting has been prescribed to the believers like to those before. No mention of Ramadan.
Ayat 184 tells how who and what to fast. those before had to fast counted days.
Ayat 185 is a new mandate for the believers to fast the month of ramadhan.
This is my current humble understanding.
I usually try not to capitalize my writing. I wrote this reply from my pad.
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Salaam,
The first full moon after the summer solstice is 2 Jul @ 0319 am,
so I will be fasting 3 days from and including 2 Jul 2015, 3 and 4 July 2015,
(this is the best I can do in my circumstance having to take meds, and being hypoglycaemic),
to complete, it should be 10 days from 2 Jul 2015,
according to the full moon counting for the summer solstice worked out by Ayman.Please Ayman confirm.
Layth's ijtihad worked out a Winter Solstice scenario, which I don't follow.
Nabil @inabster @menabster
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Salaam,
The first full moon after the summer solstice is 2 Jul @ 0319 am,
so I will be fasting 3 days from and including 2 Jul 2015, 3 and 4 July 2015,
(this is the best I can do in my circumstance having to take meds, and being hypoglycaemic),
to complete, it should be 10 days from 2 Jul 2015,
according to the full moon counting for the summer solstice worked out by Ayman.Please Ayman confirm.
Layth's ijtihad worked out a Winter Solstice scenario, which I don't follow.
Nabil @inabster @menabster
I have been fasting since June 1 and I will continue until you stop maybe. When will you stop? I'll be covering all of the standard Ramadan, extra days before, and extra days after if yours is included.
I don't think the actual time is really relevant or important though if one is having difficulty figuring out when it is, just that one covers 30 days or so of a set period during what is generally considered Ramadan (or any other time) and fasts from before sunrise to after sunset, not eating or drinking during the period of the daylight, and potentially exercising as well to maintain the activity of the metabolism which might stagnate otherwise.
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Peace Ayman,
I am starting to get more and more convinced that fasting in "shahr ramadan"/"scorching full moon" is for 3 days. To the naked eye, the moon one day before the full moon, the full moon, and the moon one day after the full moon have almost the same appearance and the difference is negligible. This would fit perfectly with "whoever of you witnesses the full moon shall fast IT" and "ayyaam ma3doodat"/"a few number of days" (2184, 2185), and will leave no ambiguity whatsoever.
For example, this year's fasting would have been for 3 days from July 1 (one day before the full moon) to July 3 (one day after the full moon). Those 3 moons would have appeared almost the same to the naked eye
http//www.moonconnection.com/moon_phases_calendar.phtml
The percentage illumination for those 3 moons was almost the same
http//www.moongiant.com/phase/07/01/2015
http//www.moongiant.com/phase/07/02/2015
http//www.moongiant.com/phase/07/03/2015What is interesting is that 100% illumination occurred on July 1, one day before the full moon!
Your input will be appreciated.
Peace
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Peace Ayman,
I am starting to get more and more convinced that fasting in "shahr ramadan"/"scorching full moon" is for 3 days. To the naked eye, the moon one day before the full moon, the full moon, and the moon one day after the full moon have almost the same appearance and the difference is negligible. This would fit perfectly with "whoever of you witnesses the full moon shall fast IT" and "ayyaam ma3doodat"/"a few number of days" (2184, 2185), and will leave no ambiguity whatsoever.
Peace
truthseeker11
salam,
There is a fair of amount of reasonability behind your assertion, we do need to look more in this direction too, lets see it..
peace
siki
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With regard to duration, there is also another angle that may help
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.htmlWhen to end one's HaJJ?
A person undertaking HaJJ can hurry to 2 days but usually it is more than this . The word "ma3doodat" typically indicates a low number, e.g. from 3-10 as it is often used for numbers which can be counted by one's fingers. A maximum of 10 days may also be indicated in 2196 wherein it seems to make equivalent (in terms of giving) one who benefitted/enjoyed in a visit to the HaJJ and one who did HaJJ. The phrase "ten complete" in 2196 is interesting as it is obvious 7+3=10, thus may be a clarifying instruction to reassure the instructed that since there is no fixed number 10 is considered complete/sufficient.
There is also a theoretical scenario wherein a visitor to the HaJJ enjoyed/benefitted (thus should undergo 3 days abstinence during HaJJ, and 7 upon return) but there is less than 3 days of HaJJ left thus cannot abstain 3 days during it. The guidance provided could indicate that one is to make it up to 10, e.g. if only one day left of HaJJ, abstinence that day, then 9 upon return. Please note that this scenario would be rare as it is unlikely someone would on purpose make such an important trip with so little time to enjoy or benefit from it, unless they were delayed unexpectedly enroute etc.
If the above information is coupled with 2200, 2229 and 2234, it implies the individual determines when their obligation of HaJJ is complete - and that is once they have performed their obligatory act of devotion/servitude, i.e. slaughter an animal to share and feed those in need. That would explain why there is no fixed duration time explicitly stated in AQ. Interestingly most traditional commentators also regard one's personal HaJJ to end after this act. -
Salam.
Since that time of the year is approaching, I thought I would throw out my views to help those looking for answers.
Ramadhan is NOT in the summer months. It is done at winter time when the night is longest and the day is shortest in the northern hemesphere.
The word Ramadhan does indeed mean scorching heat and was originally coined when it fell in the summer. However, we know from 937 that the Arabs had manipulated the count of the months and played havoc with God's system so as to circumvent the restricted months.
This is why Ramadhan was in the winter when the Quran was revealed as the prophet asked to be wrapped in a blanket (741) and why the Islamic history records the revelation as occurring in December.
The birth of Jesus at the end of summer when the dates rippen is proof that he was conceived in December during the night of destiny when the Angels and the Spirit decsend - same month the Quran was revealed.
Regards,
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Salam.
Salam
Interesting post!
Since that time of the year is approaching, I thought I would throw out my views to help those looking for answers.
Great idea! I have been coincidentally thinking about the same topic lately.
Ramadhan is NOT in the summer months. It is done at winter time when the night is longest and the day is shortest in the northern hemesphere.
I am not clearly understanding what you are suggesting.
Are you saying that we are currently observing Ramadhan in the wrong season?
Or are you simply saying that we associate the wrong season with Ramadhan?The reason I ask is because the Quran tells us that with Allah the number of moths is 12 (936) by the ordinance of Allah for which the new moon is the marking of a new month(2189). Lunar months are slightly shorter than the gregorian calendar's months. 355-56 days versus 365-66 days on average 11 less days. Following the ordinance of Allah for keeping count of time, seasons do not remain fixed to particular months but they gradually slide or shift. In this manner you could never claim that Ramadhan was in a particular month some day 1400 years ago unless you take in consideration this "sliding".
So I am not mistaken into thinking that you agree with this notion correct?The word Ramadhan does indeed mean scorching heat and was originally coined when it fell in the summer. However, we know from 937 that the Arabs had manipulated the count of the months and played havoc with God's system so as to circumvent the restricted months.
Indeed akin to the Gregorian calendar
This is why Ramadhan was in the winter when the Quran was revealed as the prophet asked to be wrapped in a blanket (741) and why the Islamic history records the revelation as occurring in December.
I am not sure the "blanket" argument is too convincing about the seasonal condition at the time of revelation. Especially because the word blanket is never used. Also it seems it is possible that it could be an allegory for the cloak of prophethood or simply because he is being told to stand in the night, which is both expressed in 731 and 741, and we are all familiar with how cold nights can be in the desert.
The birth of Jesus at the end of summer when the dates rippen is proof that he was conceived in December during the night of destiny when the Angels and the Spirit decsend - same month the Quran was revealed.
Maybe I am just not understanding but do you have actual Quranic evidence as to what season the first revelation of Quran was revealed?
Peace
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... Quran tells us that with Allah the number of moths is 12 (936) by the ordinance of Allah for which the new moon is the marking of a new month(2189).
936 tells us that the set of full moons is made up of 12 full moons at the least. That means that 11 does not make a set, it has to be 12 at the least. But sometimes the set has an extra full, making the number 13. The proof is for you to count the full moons between the two consecutive appearances ot the first full moon after the summer solstice.
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2016&country=74
01... 20 July 2016
02... 18 Aug
03... 16 Sept
04... 16 Oct
05... 14 Nov
06... 14 Dec
07... 12 Jan 2017
08... 11 Feb
09... 12 March
10... 11 Apr
11... 11 May
12... 09 JuneHowever,
the previous set had an extra full moon,
so it was made up of 13 full moons01... 02 July 2015
02... 31 July
03... 29 Aug
04... 28 Sept
05... 27 Oct
06... 26 Nov
07... 25 Dec
08... 24 Jan 2016
09... 22 Feb
10... 23 March
11... 22 Apr
12... 22 May
13... 20 JuneYou can place 13 full moons between the two consecutive appearances of a full moon,
but you cannot place 13 lunar months. -
I guess I will reply to you while I await Layth's response.
936 tells us that the set of full moons is made up of 12 full moons at the least.
Do you have access to a Quran?
That is not what 936 says AT ALL...936
936 Inna AAiddata alshshuhoori AAinda Allahi ithna AAashara shahran fee kitabi Allahi yawma khalaqa alssamawati waal-arda minha arbaAAatun hurumun thalika alddeenu alqayyimu fala tathlimoo feehinna anfusakum waqatiloo almushrikeena kaffatan kama yuqatiloonakum kaffatan waiAAlamoo anna Allaha maAAa almuttaqeena
936 Indeed, (the) number (of) the months with Allah (is) twelve months in (the) ordinance (of) Allah (from the) Day He created the heavens and the earth; of them, four (are) sacred. That (is) the religion the upright, so (do) not wrong therein yourselves. And fight the polytheists all together, as they fight you all together. And know that Allah (is) with the righteous.
That means that 11 does not make a set, it has to be 12 at the least. But sometimes the set has an extra full, making the number 13.
Where are you pulling out this jargon from?
Please DO NOT misinterpret Verses nor make up your own rules. The verse is clear.The proof is for you to count the full moons between the two consecutive appearances ot the first full moon after the summer solstice.
There is no proof in what you say.
We do not count full moons.
We count crescent moons.
the summer solstice. Really ?? ???There is no mention of moons in this verse nor sets, which is why I asked the above question.
So again, excuse me but where do you read this "set", "13" business? DO NOT seek to twist the Message man.... nope
936 tells us there have been 12 months from day 0.
2189 clarifies the new moons are indicators of periods for the people and for the hajj
2189
2189 Yas-aloonaka AAani al-ahillati qul hiya mawaqeetu lilnnasi waalhajji walaysa albirru bi-an ta/too albuyoota min thuhooriha walakinna albirra mani ittaqa wa/too albuyoota min abwabiha waittaqoo Allaha laAAallakum tuflihoona
2189 They ask you about the new moons. Say, "They (are) indicators of periods for the people, and (for) the hajj And it is not righteousness that you come (to) the houses from their backs, but righteous (is one) who fears (Allah). And come (to) the houses from their doors. And fear Allah so that you may (be) successful.
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2016&country=74
01... 20 July 2016
02... 18 Aug
03... 16 Sept
04... 16 Oct
05... 14 Nov
06... 14 Dec
07... 12 Jan 2017
08... 11 Feb
09... 12 March
10... 11 Apr
11... 11 May
12... 09 JuneWhat is this set you talk about? And how do you pick such set? It seems arbitrary to me.
Why are you complicating the clearest instructions with jargon?
Just count 12 CRESCENT MOONS/NEW MOONS but not in the modern astrological understanding (which is when there is no moon). DO NOT count full moons. 3639 Clearly explains that the moon RETURNS as the date stalk the old. Obviously describing a crescent moon.
crescent moon T-0
crescent moon T-1
crescent moon T-2
crescent moon T-3
crescent moon T-4
crescent moon T-5
crescent moon T-6
crescent moon T-7
crescent moon T-8
crescent moon T-9
crescent moon T-10
crescent moon T-11
crescent moon T-12However,
the previous set had an extra full moon,
so it was made up of 13 full moons01... 02 July 2015
02... 31 July
03... 29 Aug
04... 28 Sept
05... 27 Oct
06... 26 Nov
07... 25 Dec
08... 24 Jan 2016
09... 22 Feb
10... 23 March
11... 22 Apr
12... 22 May
13... 20 JuneIt seems like your numbering is off.
Whatever you start out with is T-0 (or T initial).You can place 13 full moons between the two consecutive appearances of a full moon,
but you cannot place 13 lunar months.I am not sure what you are concluding here.
If you start off with crescent T-0 and end with crescent T-12 you would have witnessed 12 lunar months and 13 crescent moons.
The crescent moon is an indicator not the actual month. In addition if you begin with witnessing a crescent moon that does not indicate you witnessed a month obviously. It indicates the initiation of the month in THAT case. -
Salam,
I am not clearly understanding what you are suggesting.
Are you saying that we are currently observing Ramadhan in the wrong season?
Or are you simply saying that we associate the wrong season with Ramadhan?Yes, that is indeed my point. Both the wildly spinning Sunni/Shia calendar which moves throughout the entire seasons as well as the literal "Ramadhan is the Summer" fasts are not correct.
The reason I ask is because the Quran tells us that with Allah the number of moths is 12 (936) by the ordinance of Allah for which the new moon is the marking of a new month(2189). Lunar months are slightly shorter than the gregorian calendar's months. 355-56 days versus 365-66 days on average 11 less days. Following the ordinance of Allah for keeping count of time, seasons do not remain fixed to particular months but they gradually slide or shift. In this manner you could never claim that Ramadhan was in a particular month some day 1400 years ago unless you take in consideration this "sliding".
So I am not mistaken into thinking that you agree with this notion correct?The verses 936-37 need to be combined to get the proper picture.
936 is stating a simple fact, that the year in God's system is based on the 12 month principal (roughly 360 days). 937 then takes us to the intercalary (how to deal with the gap) and tells us that the Arabs had misused the system by using a "one year on, on year off" method which created a deliberate slippage in the months thus allowing them to circumvent the 4 restricted months.
Maybe I am just not understanding but do you have actual Quranic evidence as to what season the first revelation of Quran was revealed?
Yes, I do have the evidence. The logic is to look at the "night of decree" which is the night the Quran was revealed (971). The night of decree is a time when the angels and Spirit descend 974. The angels and Spirit descended on the night that Mary was told she was pregnant (1917, 345). Jesus was conceived 9 months later at the time when dates ripen 1925 (which is around August/September for the Mediterranean).
Working with these facts, we can determine with certainty that the Night of Decree occurred around the winter period (December?). The final peace of information we can look at is the fact that this is a "night" event (not day) when God sends His angels and Spirit to carry out specific tasks (971) and where His blessings are spread. The feature of December 21/22 is that it happens to be the longest night of the year in the northern hemisphere which is a fitting feature of the blessings of our Lord being granted to their maximum capacity.
