Time To Change Your Paradigm
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How can you justify that the Earth is flat or concave, or floating on a turtle?
Do you accept that planes fly, and that on a plane you feel stationary?
Can you add 1+1 and do you get 3?
I have learnt a method to check if something is correct or not, it is called Science, it uses theoretical models that extrapolate what happens in the local world to bigger scenarios, the heliocentric theory satisfies me, if you bring me proof, mathematical proof that is incorrect, or if you set up an experiment such as travelling to that mythical wall of ice circling the Earth, then I will change my mind, for now, the model available satisfies me, and there is nothing in the Quran that contradicts it.
Now Concave or Flat, there are two alternative theories or conjectures floating around in the blogosphere of the Internet, which one do you believe in?
It is fair, as I told you that I believe in the egg shaped Earth, a Planet, revolving around the Sun, now tell me which model you believe in, and precisely, with data and experiments why.
For the Planet Earth, I refer you to any good Astronomy book.
Again my question, where in the Quran does it say that Man will produce air-planes that fly to travel, and cook food with microwaves using quantum chemistry findings or with gas extracted from the earth, or with electricity to heat up a plate.
take me to the wall of ice at the end of the world
Pathetic, indeed!
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Bro Pazuzu,
stick to history, you were better at it,
the only thing you've been doing with the Flat Earth scenario is regurgitating info fed to you by Flat Earthers disinformation,most probably I am convinced a psyops maneuvre to switch off annoying bloggers and discredit them,
but be my guest if you like looking ridiculous.
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Pathetic, indeed!
Not at all, just applying the Quran,
.Also I have ruled out all the Corpus of Hadiths because of ridiculous statements and directives,
why would it be any different with Flat Earthers who bring me information I find ridiculous, unscientific and un-Quranic,
that I must switch off my ability to question theories just because they/you say they/you are right, flashing at me some texts and lousy videos as proof?!!!
by the way, within the realm of pseudo-scientific claims, the theory of concavity is slightly more plausible than that of flat earth.
You posit a theory, and then fill the gaps to account for any discrepancies, like earth quakes, volcanoes, phases of the moon, tides of the oceans, islands being submerged in water, regularity of changes in constellations, etc.
You are no better than NASA in fact, forcing a theory without due demonstration, just because of that obsession with the Occult?!
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This is getting ridiculous . I suspect pazuzus account or the person himself has been compromised.
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Here's a simple experiment you can try
The fact that the earth is flat can be observed using a telescope with a series of lenses, of various magnifying power.
Stand on the beach, and watch a ship (at your eye level) slowly sailing away towards the horizon, until it disappears from your eyesight completely. Then, pick up the telescope and look into it. You will see the ship again. Keep on looking at it until it disappears a second time, and pay close attention to how it disappears. You will note that due to your perspective (the vanishing point), it will disappear by sinking straight down. This is how the human eye perceives objects at a great distance. But the truth is that the far away object is not below the horizon. It is still there.
Now, attach an even stronger lens and look through it. The ship will appear again. And again. And again. And again. Repeat the experiment 100 times, with 100x the magnifying power, and you will keep on seeing the ship, even though you are still at the same eye level, and no matter how far the ship is on the open sea.
If the earth was a ball, this experiment would fail, and you would not be able to see the ship once it has disappeared completely below the horizon, no matter how much you magnify, because it is now UNDER your eye level. To see it again (on a curved surface), you would have to climb to a higher elevation, to increase your field of vision. Furthermore, if the earth was curved, (8 inches of curvature for every mile), the mast of the ship would not sink straight, but would curve inwards as it disappears.
Now, go and try this, if you truly have the sense of scientific discovery, as you claim.
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Oh, and one more thing
Watch the following video, from the 830 minute mark until the 1600 minute mark, and see how the weatherman react to a photograph taken of the Chicago city skyline from 60 miles away.
Because he cannot accept the fact that someone was able to capture the full extent of the skyline from that distance, the weatherman, speaking straight from his ass, discards the scene as being a "superior mirage".
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8eIuT-nSAs
There's empirical science for you.
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Pazuzu,
Did you do that experiment with a telescope and a ship sailing, or you just read about it.
Now in scientific comms, we conduct experiments under strict conditions, so do you have witnesses with you to corroborate?
Was the experiment repeated and repeatable in several places, and under different conditions? and who would vouch for this?
Pray tell...
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It is very strange, he is not thinking straight any-more, all the rationality of his previous writings on Yemen has gone, LOL!
He's fine and still smart,
and moreover, he has courage to tell you about this.
Pazuzu, hicham9, and neion zobayed,
I amazed at your courage, brothers!
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I watched the whole video, it was mental torture, typical American brainwashing trash. One case, one anecdote, a lot of conjecture.
Earth is pressurised because of its atmosphere, same as the inside of an airplane,
with everything moving on it in layers at the same velocity, this is why we are experiencing stability,when you move around the earth, it is like you move inside a pressurised cabin in an airplane, only it is on a much bigger scale, this is not about accelerating or decelerating, the speed is constant and amortised, we were born in it and with it...
The style, and pride of the flat earther is nauseating.
The guy speaking is a crack pot con artist.It has not convinced me in the least.
Earth is a Planet that is egg shaped.
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So pazuzu, now that I still disagree with you after you showed me supposedly incontrovertible evidence of the Earth's flatness, are you going to brand me a Kafir as Isis and Takfiris do, and say that my blood is halal to shed?
Your blood does sound halal.
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He's fine and still smart,
and moreover, he has courage to tell you about this.
Pazuzu, hicham9, and neion zobayed,
I amazed at your courage, brothers!
It is true that "courage/bravery" often goes hand in hand with another thing.
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He's fine and still smart,
and moreover, he has courage to tell you about this.
Pazuzu, hicham9, and neion zobayed,
I amazed at your courage, brothers!
He's fine and still smart,
and moreover, he has courage to tell you about this.
Pazuzu, hicham9, and neion zobayed,
I amazed at your courage, brothers!
The real courage in this matter might be the sinning involved. I think you all perhaps don't understand how wrong it is to go about convincing people of things which might not be true.
It is better that you say it in a careful way
"There are a group of people who say this" "this is what scientists say" etc, rather than saying "The Earth is Flat!" or any statements like that, or even "The Qur'an says this!" it is better to say "one interpretation of this word might be this because of this and this".
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Zeal is also something not taken lightly by GOD.
It is that separate god delusion which causes those problems when you defend the honor of something, but which you would acts differently about if you knew how close GOD is to yourself. It is not like you have to defend GOD because the sin is returned upon whoever committed it of the same magnitude, and then it is good to be without sin oneself.
This flat versus round Earth has gotten the better of us all and we show detrimental behavior several of us and that is counted negatively towards our soul status.
If I was flat earther I would not be so sure about it because it is mainly based on theoretical presumptions.
If I was round earther I would not be 100% sure the Earth is round even if indications seem to favor that it is. If I was 100% I would let those who theorize upon a flat Earth to have their way.
Personally I cannot prove I am not deluded, but based on rational thought I favor the scientific claim of a round Earth. Nothing except these conspiracy theories indicate the Earth is flat and an interpretation of an old book. I hope not to be mocked for believing this way.
Be well
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Quran is not empirical evidence because you cannot observe whether it is true or not in itself and an interpretation can be wrong and since Quran is over a millennium old its language is prone to decay in its interpretive condition and not to mention malicious or deluded scholars, leaders or clerics who gave their biased thought.
Unless you can observe with the eyes yourself you lack empirical evidence and it is just theses, unless you believe the people who testify having been in space or satellites sending footage back to the Earth.
In the end whether the Earth is flat or round is fairly irrelevant for there are greater things to be concerned about.
Be well
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Zeal is also something not taken lightly by GOD.
It is that separate god delusion which causes those problems when you defend the honor of something, but which you would acts differently about if you knew how close GOD is to yourself. It is not like you have to defend GOD because the sin is returned upon whoever committed it of the same magnitude, and then it is good to be without sin oneself.
This flat versus round Earth has gotten the better of us all and we show detrimental behavior several of us and that is counted negatively towards our soul status.
If I was flat earther I would not be so sure about it because it is mainly based on theoretical presumptions.
If I was round earther I would not be 100% sure the Earth is round even if indications seem to favor that it is. If I was 100% I would let those who theorize upon a flat Earth to have their way.
Personally I cannot prove I am not deluded, but based on rational thought I favor the scientific claim of a round Earth. Nothing except these conspiracy theories indicate the Earth is flat and an interpretation of an old book. I hope not to be mocked for believing this way.
Be well
Exactly! It seems the craziest people are the ones who are 100% sure about anything.