Time To Change Your Paradigm
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I think this is highly relevant to the topic, arguing about the attitude of Muslims towards scientific proof, theories, causality and reality, we are debating that vs. conspiracy crackpot theories such as Flat or Concave Earth.
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Are all the flat earther's serious here or are some of them devils who are joking around? I don't know. Hicham changed their display picture to a flat earth looking one which made me wonder if they are just kidding or what.
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I think this is highly relevant to the topic, arguing about the attitude of Muslims towards scientific proof, theories, causality and reality, we are debating that vs. conspiracy crackpot theories such as Flat or Concave Earth.
You're breaking the forum's rules! This isn't a chatroom!
You're free to continue your off-topic chi-chat (with ur otaku friend) in PM. -
You're breaking the forum's rules! This isn't a chatroom!
You're free to continue your off-topic chi-chat (with ur otaku friend) in PM.Can you get back on topic too then? Lets talk about your beliefs regarding the Earth being flat, why you think it is important at all if you do, and that kind of stuff.
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Are all the flat earther's serious here or are some of them devils who are joking around? I don't know. Hicham changed their display picture to a flat earth looking one which made me wonder if they are just kidding or what.
Maybe fad buffs, being steered to any newfangled idea they stumble upon?
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Maybe fad buffs, being steered to any newfangled idea they stumble upon?
That is a good idea and I think that might be possible. I think this is some kind of form of greater protest or rebellion, like an expression of dissatisfaction with the world or the status quo, but I suppose maybe they really believe it too.
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That is a good idea and I think that might be possible. I think this is some kind of form of greater protest or rebellion, like an expression of dissatisfaction with the world or the status quo, but I suppose maybe they really believe it too.
Absolutely. When you believe it, it becomes a delusion.
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Peace bro
Peace,
You know for someone who uses the nick of Hezbollah, did you ask permission from the group, or are you an official member, LOL!I m no sure whether this is a joke or sarcasm......ok, to take out all negative taughts, i'll take as a joke..... rotfl
I respected pazuzu with his work on Yemen which I accepted, so it is a deep shock to me to see him taking on the Flat Earthers concept, because it puts all his effort on Yemen in jeopardy.
I feel for this because I have been advertising his essays on twitter on the matter, and arguing for what he wrote.
There is no way I will do such a thing with Flat Earth because I deeply disagree with it.
I do not act as a groupie to someone, I act on what I figured out for myself, Flat Earth is not convincing to me, and it is too much ridiculed to start evangelising for it, whereas there are more important matters to deal with now on Earth, flat, concave or round.
Waste your time away discussing Flat Earth, and encouraging others believing it, I am not one of them.
Let me tell what happened between me and brother mmkhan. I had this animosity towards him because of some thread. Thereafter, i lambasted him on one of his thread with regards to the Prophet. Sometime later thru my research, ALLAH shown me something with regards to the Prophet. I found that ALLAH, by showing me the true Quranic Muhammad, in a way also telling me that mmkhan is right to a certain extent.
Now, I respect mmkhan even more. He is knowledgeable and wise. what i m trying to say is that we need to get rid of the animosity and negative taughts. Just because what someone say does not fit to the present environment, he is talking trash. This will only end us up into the sectarian choices of doctrine, like the sunni, shiite...etc., First, they lambast each other and later kill each other!
With this bless month of Ramadhan, may THE ALMIGHTY bless with the best of everything in both worlds pr
Salam
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Peace bro
I m no sure whether this is a joke or sarcasm......ok, to take out all negative taughts, i'll take as a joke..... rotfl
Let me tell what happened between me and brother mmkhan. I had this animosity towards him because of some thread. Thereafter, i lambasted him on one of his thread with regards to the Prophet. Sometime later thru my research, ALLAH shown me something with regards to the Prophet. I found that ALLAH, by showing me the true Quranic Muhammad, in a way also telling me that mmkhan is right to a certain extent.
Now, I respect mmkhan even more. He is knowledgeable and wise. what i m trying to say is that we need to get rid of the animosity and negative taughts. Just because what someone say does not fit to the present environment, he is talking trash. This will only end us up into the sectarian choices of doctrine, like the sunni, shiite...etc., First, they lambast each other and later kill each other!
With this bless month of Ramadhan, may THE ALMIGHTY bless with the best of everything in both worlds pr
Salam
Now I will tell a lie since my fast is done for the day and I'm eating Sometimes I take mmkhan on my back and walk him around the city as he cheers joyfully. Lie concluded.
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Peace bro
I m no sure whether this is a joke or sarcasm......ok, to take out all negative taughts, i'll take as a joke..... rotfl
what i m trying to say is that we need to get rid of the animosity and negative taughts. Just because what someone say does not fit to the present environment, he is talking trash. This will only end us up into the sectarian choices of doctrine, like the sunni, shiite...etc., First, they lambast each other and later kill each other!
With this bless month of Ramadhan, may THE ALMIGHTY bless with the best of everything in both worlds pr
Salam
No, I was serious, and always curious about why people choose certain nicks or avatars, as you are not a Hizb, just a person (unless you are many who use same nick), Hezbollah do exist in Lebanon, so are you a member, or a sympathiser?
I am curious why you chose this nick.As I was curious why pazuzu chose pazuzu and a zombie avatar, he never answered why, he just joked about it.
So why? Party of Allah it translates.
As for Bro mmkhan, I find him too pedantic, he is a good person it seems, but I don't like his self-righteous style, I prefer modesty and humility, and not taking oneself too seriously, there are enough Mullahs around
who think they know it all, ask you to be humble. but forget themselves.Peace
Nabil (see my real name, not a nick)
@inabster @menabster - twitter handles that even have my true picture -
No, I was serious, and always curious about why people choose certain nicks or avatars, as you are not a Hizb, just a person (unless you are many who use same nick), Hezbollah do exist in Lebanon, so are you a member, or a sympathiser?
I am curious why you chose this nick.As I was curious why pazuzu chose pazuzu and a zombie avatar, he never answered why, he just joked about it.
So why? Party of Allah it translates.
As for Bro mmkhan, I find him too pedantic, he is a good person it seems, but I don't like his self-righteous style, I prefer modesty and humility, and not taking oneself too seriously, there are enough Mullahs around
who think they know it all, ask you to be humble. but forget themselves.Peace
Nabil (see my real name, not a nick)
@inabster @menabster - twitter handles that even have my true picturePazuzu has the picture of Pazuzu the Demon from the Exorcist movie, seen in a really fast flash.
I like the "Party of Allah" title and would apply it to myself. I doubt Hezbollah would satisfy me though in reality, but I like some of the stylistic elements of the "Freedom Fighter" or "Terrorist" stereotype.
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As Hezbollah are a Shia group, I can neither be a sympathiser, nor a member, but I acknowledge them for their efforts to help in Lebanon and Palestine against Zionism and also Syria against Daesh (aka ISIS), who are worse than any group, as I consider them Satanists in fact.
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IS = Idiotic Satanists
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I was thinking while reading an article.
How do flat earthers explain signs of meteor or comet hits on the Earth surface?
And how about meteorites that actually have been shown to hit the surface? Is GOD throwing down rocks?
Be well
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I was thinking while reading an article.
How do flat earthers explain signs of meteor or comet hits on the Earth surface?
And how about meteorites that actually have been shown to hit the surface? Is GOD throwing down rocks?
Be well
Peace Bro,
There are so many questions and gaps they have not filled to make Flat Earth a viable model, at least the round Earth model was thought through with mathematical models in use since antiquity, and even though it was not the norm to believe the Earth is round, many thinkers since antiquity hypothesised the Earth is round as opposed to flat.
As the story goes, it took the sacrifice of Galileo Galilei to change the tide from flat to round with telescopic observations made available in his time.
It will take a tremendous effort, and very ingenious minds to reframe everything within a Concave or Flat Earth model, which again will be an approximation, at the moment there is no interest in that, because the Science community prefers, favours and see the Planetary model as correct.
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Has anyone ever considered the word in Quran used for earth may not always refer to 'planet earth' but has a rather broad linguistic meaning of 'land/soil/ground/terrain' as well?
In my understanding its even used more encompassing in some verses as 'matter', being opposed to non-matter. Especially in those verses where it is mentioned in contrast to 'the Heavens'.
Peace
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Dear pazuzu
i am really surprised to read what you wrote about flat earth
I have to review many things in yemen theory now. -\Be my guest and review whatever you wish. peace
How could you relate two different things? I am really surprised with the responses I am seeing in here.
No, this should not come as a surprise. People tend to compartmentalize, and take everything in packages. They don?t know how to judge each piece of information based on its own merits.
Like when a Shia Muslim tells me that a female can claim the right to 100% of the inheritance if she is a lone child, and her uncles should not get a penny, I will agree because that is what the Quran says. But when he starts boasting about the ?Ahlul-Bayt? and how God ordained that some man by the name of ?Ali? be the successor to Muhammad, I will ignore him and walk away.
When a Salafi tells me the Earth is flat, I will shake his hand. But when he starts lecturing me about prophetic medicine, the benefits of camel urine, or the proper length of the male attire, I will politely ask him to piss off.
When a Christian talks about the circle of the Earth, and the firmament above it, I will listen. But when he tells me Jesus died for our sins, and how a two-day old baby needs to be baptized, I will have none of it.
If you are so interested in gravity, maybe you should study Physics, as you need to use tools and experiment to prove or disprove a theory, and the tools are knowledge and apparatus of experimentation.
With all due respect, but what you refer to as GRAVITY is in fact an assumption, not a proven reality. It is a theory. I advise you to put aside your bias towards the mainstream, politically-correct scientists and to read and hear what other physicists have said and continue to say about this (I will provide for you the links soon).
What you fail to realize is that GRAVITY, as a concept, is necessary in order for their false paradigm to fit together. How else can they explain to the sheeple of the world how gigantic bodies of water can remain curved and hanging upside down?
From childhood, they drill into our heads such concepts as GRAVITY, PLANETS, RELATIVITY, BLACK HOLES, SATELLITES, MOON LANDING, etc..., until they are so engrained in our consciousness, that they become no different than religious dogma.
When an object falls to the ground, it falls due to its own volition, and because of properties that are inherent to the object itself (mass or density relative to air), not because of some theoretical and unproven force in the Earth that pulls the object down to it. This is why hot air rises (not because it has defied GRAVITY, but because its density is less than the density of the air around it). And this is why ships float (because their density is less than the density of the water which they are displacing).
Their convoluted theory of GRAVITY has no place at all in this phenomenon. However, it suit them because with it, they can pass their lie regarding the moon landing, and the other ?planets?. (Oh, we tried this experiment on the moon, where GRAVITY is much smaller than on Earth, and we will try it on Mars as well, when we get there, since we can estimate that the GRAVITY there is whatever).
But the fact remains They never went to the moon, nor did they see any other planet up close, let alone walk or land any vehicles on them. Their hoaxes have been exposed to those who have eyes, and the world is slowly waking up to their shit-eating and their deceptions. This is the law of God regarding all those who want to mask the truth.
GRAVITY ? PLANETS ? SATELLITES ? RELATIVITY ? SPACE TRAVEL - BLACK HOLES.
When just one of the above deceptions is disproven, their entire system, designed to keep you in the dark and to keep you enslaved, falls apart.In fact the Space hoaxes is in keeping with the pride business Allah warned us about.
You are aware that they are hoaxes, yet somehow you still have faith in the photos they show you of Earth from space. Truth is, there are no real photos of Earth from space, and all you see are composites. NASA itself admits that they are composites.
I believe the Earth is a sphere coz I saw it on TV, and therefore it must be real.
I believe they went to the Moon coz I saw it on TV, and therefore it must be real.
I also saw Captain Jean-Luke Picard of the USS Enterprise get beamed from bridge to Hollydeck.I repeat again No one goes to outside this Earth. NO ONE.
The Occult Masters are trapped in here with the rest of the masses, and they know this. So they resort to trickery and indoctrination since childhood, to make us believe otherwise.
Let me bring to your attention some strange events than happened within a short span of years (from 1954 to 1969). This will give you an idea of how these godless criminals and deceivers operate
1- After having spent nearly a decade of his life exploring Antarctica, American navy man Richard Byrd travels there yet again in 1954, under the guise of ?peaceful mission? (accompanied by a large military fleet of 4,700 men), in what became known as ?Operation High Jump? (please pay attention to the names they use). Directly after this trip, Byrd is hosted on a nervous, televised interview, wherein he makes cryptic statements about the world suddenly ?shrinking?, and that the ?national security of America can no longer rely on its isolation?, and then speaks of an enormous land mass, located on a 2-mile high plateau, larger than USA, filled with natural resources (including uranium, coal, oil) that no man has set foot upon!
2- From 1955 to 1956, Byrd leads Operation Deep Freeze to Antarctica, amid repeated questions by the press as to why all the attention is being directed to the ?South Pole?, when the USA should mind the north Pole, where their Russian ?enemies? are close by. Then, suddenly, out of the blue, the mission just stops. No explanation is given.
3- The Antarctica Treaty is signed, which states that the land shall not be owned by any country in the world, and bans all corporations from approaching it, despite the fact the Byrd claimed it had enough natural resources to satisfy the entire world demand. Is this normal?
To this day, the so-called ?interior? of Antarctica is OFF LIMITS. There is a line that the military will not let anyone cross. They will only allow tours of the outer islands, and the isthmus near Australia.
You don?t believe me? Try flying a private jet there, and see what happens.4- Massive explosive devices are detonated high up in the air, by USA and Russia working cooperatively (in the middle of the so-called ?Space Race?, and despite the fact that they were supposed to be bitter cold war rivals) and they call it "Operation Fishbowl" (think about this name for a minute). And when the press asks the governments about these operations, they say "we are conducting high altitude nuclear tests" (the laugh-O-meter is off the scale on that one). Didn't they already "test" these weapons in Japan? Didn't they detonate dozens of similar bombs in the oceans during the 1940?s and 1950?s?
Or is it perhaps that they were trying to probe at something high in the sky?
5- In 1962, after nearly four years of failed attempts, the USA and Russia declare an end to Operation Fishbowl, and they both go home, their tails between their legs.
6- Meanwhile, NASA is established (by yet another coincidence), and President John F. Kennedy declares that the Americans shall make walking on the moon their priority.
I don't know about you, but I smell bullshit.
There is no South Pole. In 1956, they found the Dome that surrounds us, and they don?t want us to know about it. And the treaty that was signed was various, supposedly rival powers, plus the total collaboration and secrecy of the operations, prove that the world we live in is fake, staged, and ruled by a band of Occultists who will go to any length necessary to deny the presence of God, and keep the masses busy with engineered wars, false flag terrorism, delusional pseudo-sciences, and economic slavery.
To those who haven?t seen it yet
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn0K4TOHLzg
Stanley Kubrick tried to tell us something, in 1968
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=excskT6ix_g
Pazuzu has the picture of Pazuzu the Demon from the Exorcist movie, seen in a really fast flash.
Pazuzu is not a demon.
Don?t fall for the hype of the biased ?archeologists?, who unearthed ancient tablets from Mesopotamia, and instantly became ?know-it-alls?. Don?t fall for them when they flash their lizard smiles at the camera, as they ?interpret? the culture which they have been stealing and obliterating. The yare the true demons of this world.?Pazuzu? was the personification of a natural phenomenon (storms and locusts), no different than Enlil, Enu, Lamashtu, Adad, etc...
https//rennyo01.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/exorcist-misconceptions-addressed/
Peace.
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Ardh means literally what "is solidly visible" and refers to the world as it is. It is a general expression for the world and land around you including what is on it.
The commonly used word in English is probably derived from that word a long time ago, i.e. Earth.
Matter is probably in the word that refers to thing or matter.
Be well
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Has anyone ever considered the word in Quran used for earth may not always refer to 'planet earth' but has a rather broad linguistic meaning of 'land/soil/ground/terrain' as well?
In my understanding its even used more encompassing in some verses as 'matter', being opposed to non-matter. Especially in those verses where it is mentioned in contrast to 'the Heavens'.
Peace
Yes ardh can also mean land, with plural aradhi, lands, as always it depends on the context of the verse.
but when it refers to Earth, it uses the definite article, Al Al Ardh.
there is also a verse, I cannot recall which, landing itself to mean that Allah created Earth and several others like it.
the model pazuzu is pushing is an infinite plane of ice, with domes protruding, each being an Earth, it is interesting, even fascinating, but not supported by evidence or mathematical / physical models...
Salaam
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What surprises me most is the denial we are capable to go to space. One can see the ISS with the naked eye for crying out loud.
I am a really big Kubrick fan and I know it's not true Kubrick hoaxed the moon landing. Its impossible he did for many reasons.
Filmmaker Stanley Kubrick is accused of having produced much of the footage for Apollos 11 and 12, presumably because he had just directed 2001 A Space Odyssey, which is partly set on the Moon and featured advanced special effects. It has been claimed that when 2001 was in post-production in early 1968, NASA secretly approached Kubrick to direct the first three Moon landings. The launch and splashdown would be real but the spacecraft would stay in Earth orbit and fake footage broadcast as "live from the Moon." No evidence was offered for this theory, which overlooks many facts. For example, 2001 was released before the first Apollo landing and Kubrick's depiction of the Moon's surface is much different from its appearance in Apollo video, film and photography. Kubrick did hire Frederick Ordway and Harry Lange, both of whom had worked for NASA and major aerospace contractors, to work with him on 2001. Kubrick also used some 50 mm f/0.7 lenses that were left over from a batch made by Zeiss for NASA. However, Kubrick only got this lens for Barry Lyndon (1975). The lens was originally a still-photo lens and needed changes to be used for motion filming.
The mockumentary based on this idea, Dark Side of the Moon, could have fueled the conspiracy theory. This French mockumentary, directed by William Karel, was originally aired on Arte channel in 2002 with the title Op?ration Lune. It parodies conspiracy theories with faked interviews, stories of assassinations of Stanley Kubrick's assistants by the CIA, and a variety of conspicuous mistakes, puns and references to old movie characters, inserted through the film as clues for the viewer. Nevertheless,Op?ration Lune is still taken at face value by some conspiracy believers.
There was a similar hoax article, originally posted as a joke, but which has been quoted as in earnest by Clyde Lewis
Peace