Time To Change Your Paradigm

JavaLatte

If I discuss things to you for example, brother Zulf, I want to talk as if I speak toward my brother, so I don't like to talk to brothers here while consider them as opponents for debate. No, I don't like debate. I want to talk in here like we're family.

Zulf

Peace sister handshake

JavaLatte

Thanks for your understanding, brother Zulf.

theAlchemist

Can the flat earthers explain to me what I see when I'm looking at a clear image of the ISS through my telescope? Thank you.

Salaam brother,
It will be inequitable to say something based on others perception.I can't say this or that without resting my eye piece on a heavy telescope. But can we throw the possibility of a high altitude aircraft or unmanned military craft there,rotating for telecommunication or other purposes? They will go any possible height to make there fiction utterly true(I believe so). If you check some ISS YouTube video you will find so many inconsistencies there.

Thank you. )

theAlchemist

I'm still studying the issue as well, but I already have enough reasons to accept it.

The proofs are enough for me, and I can understand for myself about those.

However, I have to admit that I have weakness in English language and I am also not capable to explain to others about certain things in appropriate way, even though I can understand them for myself.

I tried to convey what I know, if you don't want to accept it, then it's fine, inshaAllah.

And I tried to tell this issue to this forum also because I consider the members are my brothers and sisters in faith, so I tried to tell them what I think important for them to know, if I don't consider them as my brothers/sisters, then why should I bother to tell about this (only to get ridiculed).

I highly agree with you,sister. ) But the fact is that we are being ridiculed from the very beginning.Indeed pathetic

noble

Peace all,

what the conspiracy theorists do to validate their "truths" is similar and a mirror image to what the perpetrators are doing, which is to go to any length to legitimise or de-legitimise a claim.

If you don't have the means of your ambition, then either try to get them, or accept what you cannot change and deal with what you can.

The victors are always right, they own the system.

I care for my salvation, and thank God, it is not dependent on whether Earth is flat or not.

noble

Flat Earthers are obsessive and aggressive in their belief, but are just flashing about second hand videos and testimonies of people who have no weight within the order that be.

As the saying goes in English, put up or shut up.

FreedomStands

They will go any possible height to make there fiction utterly true

lol I wonder if that applies to others as well.

noble

lol I wonder if that applies to others as well.

Well we have many examples among all groups, take the Feds for example and their spiriting money out of thin air, based on Market manipulation trickeries of money as debt and usury...

the MIC weaponising fear and selling it to all governments without exception through false flags and propaganda campaigns...

the Medical and Pharma industries hand in hand with the FDA, creating diseases, malnutrition, hormonal imbalances, deceit to sell drugs which create even more problems, to which they offer further solutions, that create more problems, etc.

and don't get me started with the packaging and marketing of religions and belief systems galore...

theAlchemist

The victors are always right, they own the system.

Peace.
You are probably right. It doesn't matter whether they are on right track or wrong,really? Should we remain calm under their system like a pet knowing that they are ambiguous?

but are just flashing about second hand videos and testimonies of people who have no weight within the order that be.

I think globe earthers are no exceptional.They can't even question or don't bother to ask what they are being taught from childhood.

Say, you have a good post on this forum and that I agree with,then whats wrong to share that as my own view with my friend? If my friend is clever enough he may refute whats in the post and won't quarrel whether it is second handed or lousy or where it come from.

Thank you
z.neion

noble

Peace.

You're still making the point that you don't mind propagating info just because it sounds right. You are the own and Flat Earthers who are pushing to challenge the current paradigm, well good luck to you, I have more immediate matters to deal with than going on a wild goose chase of something I am not convinced of.

You are the one trying to convince me, I don't care.

Galileo cared, and he died for his belief of a round earth, I am not that committed to an idea to do with topology.

It helped destroy the Church though, whereas Muslims got destroyed by the opposite, clinging to dogma, and refusing to modernise, exhibit the Ottomans and their distrust of Science.

theAlchemist

You are the one trying to convince me, I don't care.

Peace,
You got me wrong brother.I am just sharing my view.No one can convince other except he will.

Be well.

z.neion

noble

Peace

Be well too.

Nabil

Zulf

I think globe earthers are no exceptional.

Yes, nobody is an exception. People are people, and people are complex. In one area we might be open minded and unbiased, while in another area we might be emotional and exhibit clouded judgement. This is the nature of the human being. We have that box over our shoulders, called the brain. The brain and the mind often carry us away.
If there is anyone or anything that has lied to us, it is our brain and mind! Our mind and brain is the greatest trickster in our lives, yet we take whatever it says for truth. We literally fool ourselves.

They can't even question or don't bother to ask what they are being taught from childhood.

This is an extreme statement akin to "all black are like xyz", "muslims always xyz", "blue collar worker are xyz"
There is no "they" here. There is no such thing as "round earthers", just like there is no such thing as "flat earthers". Such terminology is used to create division, separation and conflict. The emotional mind, or devil perhaps, sows hatred and prejudice by using such generalizations.

Second of all, just because something is being taught from childhood, doesn't make it false. It's only wrong if it remains unquestioned. Both old ideas as well as new ideas may be false. This is something we have to work out. We have to do our best to establish what makes sense and what doesn't, and we should not fall into a false dichotomy. Also, just because something is commonly accepted, it doesn't matter it is false. Is trigonometry false e.g.?

Say, you have a good post on this forum and that I agree with,then whats wrong to share that as my own view with my friend? If my friend is clever enough he may refute whats in the post and won't quarrel whether it is second handed or lousy or where it come from.

You're right. However, people may refute something, but this refutation not be accepted by other people, no matter it is true or not. People don't care too much about how true something is. People mostly care about feeling comfortable. The most horrible thing the mind can experience is a threat to itself, a threat to it's own identity, it's very being.

As far as flat vs round earth goes, one can put up a list of issues and then everyone can evaluate the flat explanation vs the round explanation. But this never happens. People talk parallel to each other. It's a two way monologue, not a dialogue. And this is usually can case when human being debate. Both sides are trying to win the battle, regardless of the truth of the matter. This is normal in politics and religion, and on a even more primitive way in sports. So, for those who are really serious about researching the flat vs round earth, they should list the different issues and then look into them one by one. Like e.g. "law of perspective". Things don't need to get complicated, so there's no need to bring up advanced topics that nobody understands, like black holes or whatever theories there are. Also, we should stick with what we can observe and use simple methods of making sense of things. Geometry and trigonometry is not complicated. But when we start off by involving NASA or UN logos, counting occult numbers etc, then we're not being serious. We should not start off by claiming everything is a lie (without being able to prove it) and then cherry pick what is true to fit one's point of view.

In the end, it's about being honest to oneself. People will always have different points of view on everything anyway.
It is also of utmost importance to rise above differences and work them out (even if there is no solution). Division is harmful.

Peace and best wishes
sun

theAlchemist

This is an extreme statement

Sorry brother, I didn't write it that way,my bad (

It's only wrong if it remains unquestioned

Absolutely,I was trying to make this point.

Thank you
Be well

z.neion

JavaLatte

I highly agree with you,sister.

Thank you, brother.

It's nice to know you understand that.

But the fact is that we are being ridiculed from the very beginning.Indeed pathetic

This is saddening, yes.

However though, at least we tried, and I'm thankful that there are more members who also believe the flat earth.

I'm glad that I'm not alone in this.

Salaam.

JavaLatte

Interesting video! ... and not about the flat earth. peace

http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-KZ7zG3cC7DE/UaaH36I1BTI/AAAAAAAAEFU/kwXz1jWid0o/s1600/finger-pointing-to-right.png Meet Your Strawman!
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That image is rather frightening for me... (I don't like strawman).

Zulf

Peace all,
Some general thoughts

I wonder what people would like to have instead of the things they call evil governments etc.
Would anarchy be better where it is really eat or be eaten?
What is the alternative to our current day's governments?
Forget a system based on quran alone or whatever. Will never happen, at least not under the name of religion.
So what do we want if we are so unhappy with taxes, birth certificates and the like? What should it be like?

All those who look for pyramid shapes, number 33s, check patterns, single eyes etc and who feel that they are being enslaved and controlled by a covert ruling elite.... what would they want instead? Or are they happy to keep looking for the masonry symbols and just remain living in a distasteful sense of being ruled. What is the alternative? Does the human being have the capacity to create a good, fair, free and open system for themselves? No! There is no "they" who rule us. Even the rulers are human beings, no matter if they organize themselves in fraternities or secrets clubs. They are still human beings like all of us. It's just that they have been endowed with some talents in the field of speaking, analyzing, reading, influencing, planning, imagining etc, and they use it for their own benefit. Greed and lust for power in combination with talents and skills make people rise to power. But they are still people like us. Such ruling groups would prop up even in anarchy settings. The current situation is the most natural outcome, at the given place and time, in our world. It is our minds and personalities that make our world. There is no real "us and them". Some climb the ladder because they can.

Don't fall into the devilish trap of separation and division. Don't create more enemies and hostile situation in your mind. Don't create negativity. You are only poisoning yourself. All the evil of this world is here, nobody can deny it, but it is due the the human race. This is what we have to deal with. What we have to do is to rise above and better ourselves. Soon enough we'll die, and we'll only pay for our own deeds. So don't make illuminati-research a hobby of yours. What will you do about it? So if you recognize symbols and stuff. Then what? Now what? Why are we looking for checkered patterns and pyramid shapes?

good_logic

Peace Zulf.

Can I add more to your thoughts?

There is only one system, GOD s system. The rest is all an illusion,I will elaborate.

Those who submit and accept GOD s system will not be part of the world s systems. To them everything that has to do with this world ,like money ,property,riches,... are "Ceaser s" ,so they render to "Ceaser what is Ceaser s"..They are not part of it.

Their real leader, the Creator has given them a set of instructions, a good system that will really unite them,save them,cleanses them and fills them with love,love for all the creation even those who oppose GOD s system and follow the world systems.

They try their best everyday and work on themselves without judging or hating others. They do their best to give the example and live in peace with everyone.

May the Lord bless all His people and unite them.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

FreedomStands