A meditation technique.
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There are no isms. ALLH is the light! So we know that ALLH is tangible. As opposed to an invisible unseen force that pulls the strings, ALLH is in front of our faces.
How does it relate to Pantheism? Rather it's the reverse. Pantheism comes from the knowledge that ALLH is the light of the heavens and earth as far as I am aware.
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It is a direct statement that ALLAH is the light of the heavens and the earth.
THEN it goes on to say "a parable/likeness/metaphor". So we know that ALLAH is literally the light.
There is no room to argue here, surely the truth is clear.
If you don't cross reference verses about Allah you will reach a faulty conclusion like you have. This is because your view contradicts other verses such as
- There is nothing like unto Him - 4211
- There is nothing that can be compared with Him - 1124
The verse in question alludes to a metaphor of Allah since He is incomprehensible to imagine hence the metaphors of Him in the Quran. Soon as we start defining what Allah is He is not that - we can only experience Him through His attributes described in the Quran.
If you wish to still hold onto the view of Him LITERALLY being light how do you resolve the contradiction of the two above verses I've quoted?
PEACE
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Paradox Uncreated, I remember you from Facebook, where you tried to sell us the lie that Qu'ran supports pantheism and that everything is Allah and Allah is everything. Now, this is very similar to Sufism, isn't it? Modern Satanists (belief developed by LaVeyen) believe that they are their own Gods, which relates to your speech that everything is Allah and Allah is everything.
Perhaps you changed your view over time, or you are a skillful devil always seeking better ways to deceive or, simply, we all just read you wrong.
One of the three.
In my opinion the Quran supports something called Panentheism...slightly different to Pantheism which supports God is the whole where Panentheism is the whole is in God but God is greater and exists beyond the whole - a paradox i know This in my opinion is what I believe the Quran supports more of since God is everywhere yet separate and beyond/greater than everywhere. -\
PEACE
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Peace,
Do you see any contradiction?
ALLH is telling us ALLH is the light of the heavens and the earth
ALLH is telling us There is no likeness unto him
Now let us refer to the beginning of chapter 24
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(This is) a chapter which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful.Then back to verse 35
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Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth; a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp is in a glass, (and) the glass is as it were a brightly shining star, lit from a blessed olive-tree, neither eastern nor western, the oil whereof almost gives light though fire touch it not-- light upon light-- Allah guides to His light whom He pleases, and Allah sets forth parables for men, and Allah is Cognizant of all things.This is a direct statement followed by a metaphor.
It is not me that is defining ALLH, keep in mind it is ALLH defining ALLH and who else can!
Physical light (photons) is not the same thing as nur. Nur = energy. Energy possesses all the attributes of ALLH; ALLH IS energy.
Peace
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And how about nothing can be compared with Him 1124 which you have done stating He is the light literally. Is it a coincidence Allah tells us in the same verse that He sets parables for us. What would be the point of a parable if its something literal as you say.
A parable is given to help us understand something is beyond the literal meaning. Allah is beyond light literally as nothing is like Him or can be compared to Him as per the verses I've quoted. You are still yet to reconcile those verses with what you are proposing.
PEACE
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God is one consciousness. This consciousness consists of us all. This is the only thing I have talked about. It is not pantheism, and not panentheism. God is the truth, transcendent, and creator of the world. And maybe most importantly God is good. And this is the true nature of consciousness.
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And how about nothing can be compared with Him 1124 which you have done stating He is the light literally. Is it a coincidence Allah tells us in the same verse that He sets parables for us. What would be the point of a parable if its something literal as you say.
A parable is given to help us understand something is beyond the literal meaning. Allah is beyond light literally as nothing is like Him or can be compared to Him as per the verses I've quoted. You are still yet to reconcile those verses with what you are proposing.
PEACE
1124 does not say there is no example, the word used is different. 2435 states there is an example of ALLH as described. 4211 says there is no example of ALLH. So reconcile that with 2435 where ALLH gives you a direct example of what ALLH is. Remember the structure of 2435 - literal THEN metaphorical. This is crucial to understanding that there is no contradiction here. What I understand is that 1124 states there is no equivalent to ALLH and 4211 states there is nothing similar to ALLH. But I can just as well say "there is nothing similar to a pen" but that isn't true! Whereas the statement "There is nothing to match/equivalent to energy/light/awareness" is ALWAYS true!
Look at the specific wordings used in the verses and you will see there is no contradiction whatsoever. The premise you are arguing from is based on a misconception assume ALLH is an untouchable ungraspable force => interpret quran to find agreement with this premise => claim the idea that ALLH is graspable is invalid using the very interpretation based on that contradictory premise
This method does not work. Al-Quran is ALWAYS 100% clear in its wording.
Peace
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Fear of death make many subconsciously cling to an external god. But nothing will happen at death, except yourself. You are the paradox that is God. Remove all external gods from your mind.
MEDITATE ON I am a paradox, death, and there are no external gods.
There is just the one internal God, We, all consciousness and life. The one force, that created all, and arranges all.
You are full of yourself! "Week is both the seeker and the sought!" (2273) You claim to be both!
Peace.
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Edip, the greeting of peace, is not to be followed by insult. The verse you post is about invoking something else than God, indeed that is futile.
Peace.
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Fear of death make many subconsciously cling to an external god. But nothing will happen at death, except yourself. You are the paradox that is God. Remove all external gods from your mind.
MEDITATE ON I am a paradox, death, and there are no external gods.
There is just the one internal God, We, all consciousness and life. The one force, that created all, and arranges all.
Then what happens?
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Then what happens?
That guy was not utterly ignorant as many people are on this forum. I wonder where this guy went.
Fear of death make many subconsciously cling to an external god. But nothing will happen at death, except yourself. You are the paradox that is God. Remove all external gods from your mind.
This guy spoke the partial truth (he was not entirely right but good standing), those who fail will experience Gehennom, i.e. they will be forced to relive in recurring cycles in bodies, while the successful will get rid of their bodies and be malekat (which is Rulers/Controllers/Regents). The right portion from his perspective was that he said "You are the paradox that is God" and Remove all external gods from your mind.
Shame this guy is not here anymore. I could speak to him and make him my disciple.
What he called "paradox" I call contradiction, but then I refer to the world itself.
Be well
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That guy was not utterly ignorant as many people are on this forum. I wonder where this guy went.
This guy spoke the partial truth (he was not entirely right but good standing), those who fail will experience Gehennom, i.e. they will be forced to relive in recurring cycles in bodies, while the successful will get rid of their bodies and be malekat (which is Rulers/Controllers/Regents). The right portion from his perspective was that he said "You are the paradox that is God" and Remove all external gods from your mind.
Shame this guy is not here anymore. I could speak to him and make him my disciple.
What he called "paradox" I call contradiction, but then I refer to the world itself.
Be well
I actually noticed the guy was saying some stuff that I thought you would like so that was part of the reason I brought him up here again by posting.
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How kind of you. Well. Many of those who used to post on this forum are gone somehow. May be that they did not like the sometimes harsh atmosphere.
Be well
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How kind of you. Well. Many of those who used to post on this forum are gone somehow. May be that they did not like the sometimes harsh atmosphere.
Be well
I get a bit annoyed on here too sometimes. I don't like when people seem to get obsessed about stupid seeming irrelevant things instead of spreading good messages and stuff. Like I still don't know what the big deal is with the flat earth thing as if that will help anyone in life. How many wasted words when they would have perhaps gained some merit saying to be good to people or whatever, but instead that the Earth is Flat, which is like an idol, not able to profit them or anything, totally pointless to argue about.
If the Earth is Flat or the Earth is any other shape, all we deal with is our lives and all we have a chance to do is either what is good or what is bad, and no matter the shape of what we stand on, there is much suffering and much opportunity to for compassion and mercy therefor. If I smiled at someone and thanked them or helped a worm on a flat earth or a round earth, I don't think it would matter, except an earth that is shaped like a hammock might keep my good deeds in place in the middle rather than slipping off the planet.
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I get a bit annoyed on here too sometimes. I don't like when people seem to get obsessed about stupid seeming irrelevant things instead of spreading good messages and stuff. Like I still don't know what the big deal is with the flat earth thing as if that will help anyone in life. How many wasted words when they would have perhaps gained some merit saying to be good to people or whatever, but instead that the Earth is Flat, which is like an idol, not able to profit them or anything, totally pointless to argue about.
If the Earth is Flat or the Earth is any other shape, all we deal with is our lives and all we have a chance to do is either what is good or what is bad, and no matter the shape of what we stand on, there is much suffering and much opportunity to for compassion and mercy therefor. If I smiled at someone and thanked them or helped a worm on a flat earth or a round earth, I don't think it would matter, except an earth that is shaped like a hammock might keep my good deeds in place in the middle rather than slipping off the planet.
Like the U.S. Police Force says "Everyone is innocent until proved otherwise".
Well, I cannot say I can empirically prove that the Earth is round because I basically lack the equipment and first-hand experience, but by studying available academic resources I personally tend to trust that the Earth is round in my own little realm. I have seen no indications that the Earth would be flat to be honest. It sounds a bit overambitious on the conspiracy front to claim the Earth to be flat considered all the technology that is online all over the Earth and satellites in the skies and that ISS space station somewhere in orbit of the planet which people can aim their telescopes at to empirically prove it is up there. Then to say there is no gravity but it is an invented claim, but what the heck is keeping their feet on the ground?
I have personally owned satellite receiver equipment and I am relatively knowledgeable on how the technology works and I know for sure that the signal is reflected by the disc onto the LNB and it communicates using microwaves, and the signal clearly comes from the sky and not some tower somewhere. I am that technically gifted that I can tell the signal stems from the sky that I receive using that disc.
Jamming equipment, that some governments use, disturbs the microwaves in the skies that the signal is jammed and cannot be picked up by the receiver equipment.
But if I am still wrong then I must congratulate the conspiracy makers for making a perfect delusion. But I would still wonder about the large video panels above our heads that play scenes from Star Wars of outer space.
Be well
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Like the U.S. Police Force says "Everyone is innocent until proved otherwise".
Well, I cannot say I can empirically prove that the Earth is round because I basically lack the equipment and first-hand experience, but by studying available academic resources I personally tend to trust that the Earth is round in my own little realm. I have seen no indications that the Earth would be flat to be honest. It sounds a bit overambitious on the conspiracy front to claim the Earth to be flat considered all the technology that is online all over the Earth and satellites in the skies and that ISS space station somewhere in orbit of the planet which people can aim their telescopes at to empirically prove it is up there. Then to say there is no gravity but it is an invented claim, but what the heck is keeping their feet on the ground?
I have personally owned satellite receiver equipment and I am relatively knowledgeable on how the technology works and I know for sure that the signal is reflected by the disc onto the LNB and it communicates using microwaves, and the signal clearly comes from the sky and not some tower somewhere. I am that technically gifted that I can tell the signal stems from the sky that I receive using that disc.
Jamming equipment, that some governments use, disturbs the microwaves in the skies that the signal is jammed and cannot be picked up by the receiver equipment.
But if I am still wrong then I must congratulate the conspiracy makers for making a perfect delusion. But I would still wonder about the large video panels above our heads that play scenes from Star Wars of outer space.
Be well
Yeah, I even asked them a few times what the point would be to lie this much, like if their agenda is to turn people away from God, how does a round Earth or lying about stuff in space accomplish that? Spending trillions of dollars to lie on something so stupid?