israel is a state mandated by god for the jews in the quran.
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care to elaborate?
Salam dc2,
I'm at a place in my spiritual development where I have decided not to make translations.
If I use one English word or a group of them to translate the words it limits the verses.
And therefore changes the words from their places.
Also, An arabic word can be understood in many different ways at once. There are few English words that do the same.
have you discovered something yourself?
Yes, I see something differently than has been presented.
If you look up the words one by one, you may, insha Allah, see what I see. peace
Salam,
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Salam Belalhammad,
Maybe you can shed some light on a question I have regarding the dna research. I have not read much on the subject.
Since we know that in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam anyone could convert at any time and become one of those faiths, how can anyone say that there could even be a dna link?
Salam,
Arnab -
Salam Belalhammad,
My question is
How can we say that there is a DNA link that scientists can follow to see if someone is a descendant of Jacob?
I don't think an honest scientist can say with certainty that the dna they are sampling actually came from a descendant of Jacob.
This is why I say this
Anyone could convert to judaism at anytime and become jewish (same for christianity and Islam) in which case they would not have the "jewish" dna in their system.
Say that a whole town or group of people converted. Say that of that town some of the people do not marry into people carrying the "jewish" dna.
So therefore you have a group of people who are not carrying the jewish dna yet ARE jewish.Same goes for those who became disbelievers. They have the Jewish dna and it is passed down generation to generation yet that family is not jewish.
There is too much conversion and rejection of the faith that has gone on for thousands of years.
So then this study comes along (in the 20th/21st century) and...
family A says you can count us as jewish we know we have been jewish for hundreds of years (but little did this family know that at some point there was a conversion and no "jewish" dna present in their system)
Then you have family B who says you can count us as non-jewish...we have never been jewish (but little does this family know that at one point they were jewish and they actually HAVE the "jewish" dna).
Then there is family c jewish through and through with the jewish dna
and family d non-jewish through and through with NO jewish dna.
This cannot be a TRUE scientific study then in the first place with so much ambiguity.
I think my question/comment is in support of your post...not in opposition.
This is my observation. But maybe you can clarify something I'm missing.
Salam,
Arnab -
Salam dc2,
I'm at a place in my spiritual development where I have decided not to make translations.
If I use one English word or a group of them to translate the words it limits the verses.
And therefore changes the words from their places.
Also, An arabic word can be understood in many different ways at once. There are few English words that do the same.
Yes, I see something differently than has been presented.
If you look up the words one by one, you may, insha Allah, see what I see. peace
Salam,
Arnabwell how about summarizing what you have observed or concluded without compromising your spiritual development by translating the actual verse?
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Anyone could convert to judaism at anytime and become jewish (same for christianity and Islam) in which case they would not have the "jewish" dna in their system.
Salam
You are right; and that is why there are people from Ethiopia who carry Israeli Citizenship (they do not have the same DNA !).
I?m 100% sure that God Wrote this land to the Children of Israel in The Quran.
The Jew Children of Israel were out of the Land until 1948, but the Moslem and Christian ones never left the land. Thus, the Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian, and most of the Jordanian are the Pure Israelis who never left the Promised Land. Nevertheless, the Jews ones have all the right to go back and live in the same land.
We need to make the Christian and Moslem ones, especially the Palestinian, stop claiming that they are Arabs; otherwise they will lose their right to own and live in this Holly Land.My post was to clarify the misunderstanding that was created by the study that was mentioned by dc2. Nevertheless, I admire him or here for bringing this for debate in order for people to know the truth, and stop denying the Quran verse that give the Title of the Land to the Israeli.
Peace peace
By the way, the study that I mentioned (the DNA) that was done by Hamer was done in a Precise way. The Jews people whom he chose, were very carefuly picked (they are very will known in the Jewish community).
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The blessed land surrounding the bait ul ateeq has been written by God to the Progeny of Israel .. the chosen people above those that know for the Grace of GOD. Do not argue with this point, you will fall further into schism. The land was taken away from them at the coming of the "first promise" ... when pharaoh enslaved the progeny of Israel ... until God Himself sent Moses and Aaron with clear authority to take them out form the punishment that was on them.
when the second "promise" comes "We will bring you all together" (i.e. the progeny of Israel (Jacob)) ... that has already happened when they regained the land in 1948 ..... now we wait for the promise of God .. and His punishment .. and for the Messiah to return. Stop your quibbling over this issue, God has chosen the Progeny of Israel (Jacob) above all those that know for His Grace, God has favorites ... just like you and I. Not all are equal in the eyes of GOD ... if you want the truth ... the believers are His loved ones .. the Spirit and the Angels are His closest ones .... Jesus is one of the closest to God .... the only one specifically stated to be of the closest in the Quran from Mankind.
Go and try and dispute with me ... you will fail ....... go and read the Quran .. and stop listening to me and the others .... listen to the Quran .. and nothing else for guidance to GOD .. and confirm it by reading the Torah and the Bible.
Peace!!
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Salam,
For your considerations are some thoughts on verses based on the Hebrew.
The term beni Israel....beni (builders) ysr (straight/most upright) el (God)....based on Hebrew
So when you see "ya beni israel" you can see...oh you buiders of the straight path of God (or something close to that). Anyone who builds/works on the straight path of God is beni israel. It is not a country to wcrhich believers and unbelievers alike can claim residence.
Likewise, when you see ya alanass...you can also see "oh you who are weak/frail." Notice that the verses comment on the state of weakness of mankind. This is also seen in the Old Testament.
Salam,
ArnabSalam sis Arnab
You seem to be attempting to link NAAS to NISAA somehow. Please elaborate if I have misunderstood.
Also, I am trying to get towards the OT in Hebrew (so far I have gotten only uptil the baraasheet)... good observation, however, I personally found the Quran to deviate significantly form the OT if you read betwen the lines so to speak. -
Go to any website which has Qur'anic verses which talks about 'Jews' as you people think. Press Ctrl + F and write 'Jew'. See the word anywhere? Nope. Research first. This Sheikh is a complete moron but it is not suprising. He only knows religion because he is truly primitive and probaly has the ethics and morals of a carpet just like the majority sheikhs. This proves that he knows nothing about the Qur'an. A complete hmar and a failure on his part.
The Qur'an only mentions the children of the Israelites i.e. the Israelites. Not European Jews nor IsraeLIES. But of course this Sheikh will use the Qur'an and then throw it away into the trash can when it no longer suits his purpose. Anything to justify the existance of Israel.
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probaly has the ethics and morals of a carpet just like the majority sheikhs.
So I can pray on top of him?
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So I can pray on top of him?
hahaha Yup