On intuition and false prophets
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Unfortunately it needs clarification before I can choose an alternative.
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If you meant the seeds of the individual which are used to initiate life then it is themselves who grow out of those seeds that are responsible for becoming bad fruit.
Number 3.
Be well
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Honestly I did not understand your elusive question.
Unfortunately it needs clarification before I can choose an alternative.
The question is crystal clear, short and straightforward!
What's elusive is your answer @M0F.If you meant the seeds of the individual which are used to initiate life then it is themselves who grow out of those seeds that are responsible for becoming bad fruit. Number 3.
Actually, by "fruit" I meant the subversive "organ" between your legs.
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Sorry. The question is not crystal clear. What is "degrading fruit" between your legs in the first place as a term which is the elusive about it.
If it refers to the aging of the private parts then it is the Rabb who put the contradiction that way.
Be well
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I give two answers this time and perchance one is right.
If you meant the creation of that organ then it is on the Rabb.
If you meant what one does with it then it is the person in possession of it.
I think I know what your hidden purpose was with the question however. That is why create the human body with a procreation functionality if it was not meant to be used.
The Rabb put this scenario in motion and made it so that the people procreate through copulation. The Rabb also made the sensation pleasant that many people forget themselves that they may indulge and take pleasure in living. Unless no one procreated anymore the species would end their cycles.
The instinct of copulation is one of the hardest to control because it has the strongest drive since it is involuntary. No wonder why it is on the list of 'Ten Commandments ' about illicit sex.
Taking care of children is a great responsibility.
One can reproduce children however without it being triggered by fleshly desire by simply decide to have children through the spirit. Anyway, the point is not to think too much using the body's animalistic nature. The body's animalistic nature is the beast generally called 666.
Our greatest enemy is ourselves or the one part of us that is the "outer layer". The body and the world was created in order to deceive.
Be well
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I give two answers this time and perchance one is right.
If you meant the creation of that organ then it is on the Rabb.
If you meant what one does with it then it is the person in possession of it.
I meant Luxuria.
Nevermind the question tho!
I think I know what your hidden purpose was with the question however ...
No, you don't @M0F.
But, thanks for the input.
That is why create the human body with a procreation functionality if it was not meant to be used.
The Rabb put this scenario in motion and made it so that the people procreate through copulation. The Rabb also made the sensation pleasant that many people forget themselves that they may indulge and take pleasure in living. Unless no one procreated anymore the species would end their cycles.
The instinct of copulation is one of the hardest to control because it has the strongest drive since it is involuntary. No wonder why it is on the list of 'Ten Commandments ' about illicit sex.
Taking care of children is a great responsibility.
One can reproduce children however without it being triggered by fleshly desire by simply decide to have children through the spirit. Anyway, the point is not to think too much using the body's animalistic nature. The body's animalistic nature is the beast generally called 666.
Our greatest enemy is ourselves or the one part of us that is the "outer layer". The body and the world was created in order to deceive.
If it refers to the aging of the private parts then it is the Rabb who put the contradiction that way.
If you meant the seeds of the individual which are used to initiate life then it is themselves who grow out of those seeds that are responsible for becoming bad fruit. Number 3.
SLM
Yet you're the good friend of "G-D" apparently,
that you have some private lessons from such which tell you that I'm a follower of Iblis?Yep.
G-D's faction shall triumph.
I worship the Lord of Devils, the Ruler of Evil, the Greatest and Mightiest Satan (Adversary) that can be, the one that can not be defeated, IT IS n't IBLIS.
Of course you do!
"Satan" ain't no Excellent Attribute of G-D! Exalted is The Transcendent ONE above your mooing.
Correct me in my religion if there is a problem and you have any compassion.
G-D has no "religion"!
You, however, do.
See!
I do have compassion.
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No, you don't @M0F.
But, thanks for the input.
Ok. I did not.
But I do also not agree with your cooked story in http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607082.msg366109#msg366109
It was not particularly clear as you claimed regarding your question. But since neither Shaytaan nor Ebless exist as persons it is none other than the Rabb who is responsible for the organ in the lower parts.
Be well
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But I do also not agree with your cooked story in http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607082.msg366109#msg366109
I don't expect you to agree with my old input @M0F!
Never asked you to!Still, you can't deny Luxuria !
Nor the degrading "fruit" between your legs, for that matter.Adamites are born debased. In a debased world ... Welcome to the Lower Life.
since neither Shaytaan nor Ebless exist as persons it is none other than the Rabb who is responsible for the organ in the lower parts.
So, you blame G-D for having Lust?
Ps. you keep parroting "Rabb" this "Rabb" that!
What does Quranic RB mean in English @M0F!? -
I don't expect you to agree with my old input @M0F!
Never asked you to!Still, you can't deny Luxuria !
Nor the degrading "fruit" between your legs, for that matter.Adamites are born debased. In a debased world ... Welcome to the Lower Life.
"Adamites" are born to participate in a test being deceived by the body they have been attached to. The body does not belong to them and they are to become a mirror soul of the Sustainer under the harshest of environments. The Sustainer will harvest the good fruit. Satan does not exist as a person and there was never any temptation exposed on Adam. The temptation is ongoing and that is the world which is part of some test environment.
So, you blame G-D for having Lust!?
No, not really, I understand that some environmental measures had to be taken to produce the very best harvest since only the really good seeds grow into something worth reaping.
The body is a trap, Mr. Hicham. It was meant to deceive. It is only that people need to understand this fact to save themselves out of Gehennom.
Ps. you keep parroting "Rabb" this "Rabb" that!
What does Quranic "RB" mean in English @M0F!?Please excuse me. It was corrected in this post. I wrote the English equivalent.
Be well
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Salute @M0F!
"Adamites" are born to participate in a test ...
Of course our (finite) existence on earth is a test!
What the people wish to know is why are we being tested in the first place.
... there was never any temptation exposed on Adam.
Quran (720 and/or 20120) says otherwise!
... The body is a trap, Mr. Hicham.
It was meant to deceive. It is only that people need to understand this fact to save themselves out of Gehennom.I beg to differ.
To me, the body is not a "trap," nor the "enemy"!
My body is a vehicle/apparatus (assigned to me, a "spermatozoid," to use) ...
Please excuse me. It was corrected in this post. I wrote the English equivalent.
To my knowledge, Quranic RB () doesn't mean "sustainer" ,
but Master, Chief, or simply Superior .SLM
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Greetings hicham,
Of course our (finite) existence on earth is a test!
What the people wish to know is why are we being tested in the first place.
Because the Sustainer likes to grow a kind of "super-race".
There is a reason why the Sustainer uses the parable with seeds that are put into the soil for cultivation and then the best are to be saved. And the choking weeds are the worldly temptations themselves.
Quran (720 and/or 20120) says otherwise!
In a sectarian interpretation, yes!
It rarely has any connection to reality but just some clergymen who sat down trying their best to make their doctrine fit into a context they did not really understand.
The real story is on collision course with that. The Sustainer made the new spirit, based on the Sustainer, enter into the body and as a test environment and told them to not to "know" the World, i.e. indulge in it. But the instinctive drive (what you call shaytaan) tempted them and they failed to uphold what the Sustainer said and indulged nevertheless. But the humans are born with this shaytaan in them and it is not a separate entity or person. Adam was exposed to a cycle of gehennom in the parable because of his sin (the body was renewed), but the original tale has been poorly interpreted by later generations and the original tale from the Genesis probably needs a reinterpretation too. And shaytaan was fabricated as a separate being while it was in the flesh itself. And know that the story of Genesis was a parable itself just like the Sustainer seems to have humor in making a parable of everything through the prophets.
That is why I have said that the body was made to deceive.
Each procreated soul from a father and a mother is a child soul just like Adam's soul was the child of the Sustainer. But, one has to separate the soul from the flesh, because the Sustainer is not the Father of the dead but of the living.
I beg to differ.
To me, the body is not a "trap," nor the "enemy"!
My body is a vehicle/apparatus (assigned to me, a "spermatozoid," to use) ...
You can use it as a tool to do the best of the situation, but you are yet trapped inside that vehicle and your primary goal is to be freed from it rather than the recurring Gehennom.
To my knowledge, Quranic RB (ب doesn't mean "sustainer" ,
but Master, Chief, or simply Superior .Okay. I respect your opinion.
But the morphological meaning of Rabb is to supply something, permanently, unconditionally per the word's literal meaning. That is no one but the Sustainer can be Rabb since they do not fill the prerequisites and are themselves sustained. Rabb refers to the fact it upholds the world, visible or invisible. It could also be translated as 'Platform'. That also has etymological backup from ancient lexicons. And here you have English definitions for platform and sustain. It is important to realize that in the Semitic languages words are always spiritually descriptive in what is their meaning so Sustain-er is not very strange since the Rabb upholds the world. But it does not have any image of anything so one cannot really substantiate it and that is the danger.
platform / pl?tfrm / W3 noun
2 STRUCTURE a tall structure built so that people can stand or work above the surrounding area
5 SUPPORT something that gives you the support, help, power etc. that you need to do somethingsustain / ssten / Ac W3 verb
1 MAKE SOMETHING CONTINUE formal
to make something continue over a period of time SYN maintain
2 sustain damage/injury/defeat etc. formal to be damaged, hurt, defeated etc.
3 FOOD/WATER to provide enough food, water etc. for people to stay alive
4 GIVE STRENGTH to make it possible for someone to stay strong or hopeful
5 WEIGHT formal to hold up the weight of something SYN supportSource Longman Advanced American Dictionary (with removed irrelevant definitions)
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Hey guys,
Just dropping in to give my own opinion. For one thing, from what I am seeing, people in general seem to have quite a limited idea about sex and sexual desires. A lot of people in particular tend to put sex under either lust, or under pleasure that can be used in any way one wants. Both are two extremes I think.
I agree that the sexual desire is something extremely powerful. And if channeled in a more inappropriate or un-wholesome fashion, can consume and make us suck into the labyrinth of the world and the temporary glitter associated with it, before we realize that we now feel empty and somewhat devoid of the God spirit within us, hence creating a cloudier connection with the Source.
But that doesn't mean the sexual desire is to be demonized, because if people channel the desire properly (something which I am still learning on, on how to), then it can be a wonderful experience, which can even accelerate our spiritual awakening, make us more in touch with our sense of humanity, and on our true inner instincts. And that too in a more pleasurable way lol. This is particularly so when it is with another human being, where both the partners have a deep sense of caring, understanding and love between them, and can somewhat put aside their emotional walls and resistance to the other, which makes the experience more wholesome. A number of couples practise tantric sex too (which I personally plan to explore with the right person in the future. I hope that wasn't a lot of information lol).
For some reason religious people seem to be averse to the idea of a lot of pleasure, because they immediately associate it with being "fleshly" instead of "from the spirit". I disagree that being from the spirit can mostly include normal or struggling experiences or something. This is immediately saying that with the very right person, God doesn't want you to explore with them and fully enjoy the experience of sex and being in touch with one's sense of humanity.
I do think though that since the matter of sexual desires is a heavy topic, it needs to be broached carefully and with some degree of precautions to people. Because this type of experience can either bring us up or shoot us down. This gift from God I believe with its pros, has its list of cons as well, which can be deadly if not paid good and cautious attention to.
If people find it good and beneficial to keep separate from it or control it while growing in the spirit, all the good for them, and I believe is a healthy route too, if kept under good control, because it's misuse can reflect in one's eyes at times too, and can be very distracting, especially if developing into some form of addiction or unhealthy behavior, or clouding one's connection with God in the heart and mind. If not, then such people need to find out how best to channel this desire in a safe, spiritual, and good way where possible. I don't think people who channel their desires in such a way are any less better than those who choose to abstain from the desires. Listing down one's do's and don't in this area, and what they are comfortable with and what not, is also something important.
Peace.
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Putting sex under the label of procreation, where one simply acts as a vehicle to release certain fluids in order to make procreation successful, is a very narrow way of seeing sex. If some people choose to be that way, thats okay for them. They should discuss this out with a potential partner beforehand though. I wonder if sex was really that way, why there has to be the pleasure factor attached to it, and even a solely pleasure organ for women (the clitoris) that is separate from the main sexual organ. And why people feel so in touch with their sense of humanity through it, and feels the bond with their partner solidifying through it as well then. So yeah, calling sex simply for procreation is stupid.
Not to mention a vast number of babies are born unplanned, which means there would be a lot less humans if we simply had "sex for procreation" without the pleasure factor lol. Although with the rising number of types of contraception, this number is getting lesser (but obviously not disappearing, because many people tend to also have sex for pleasure without contraception for some reason).
Peace.
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Sex is also a major reason why people choose to get married as well, besides the need for emotional connection, growing together in life purpose, and other host of benefits that marriage brings, whether the couple decides to have kids or not. Without sex for pleasure, marriage would become more like a societal institution that is necessary to keep the latter generations coming, or to increase family ties between two families, or whatever it may be. Which is why the pleasure and comfort concept that we associate when sexually close to another person is very important (whether it involves the act or not) and has a host of benefits to it. Also isn't sexual attraction the type of attraction that we associate with when we find a person of the other gender attractive enough for us to be with them?
Once again, if someone chooses celibacy, being single, or abstaining from sexual desires as preferred for them, whether for a time being or for a lifetime,. that is perfectly alright as well, and can be another path to living a life of fullness too.
Peace.
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I am late, but watched the video. Its all true, but it does take time to learn it all. I must still say that sometimes the truth can be so hurtful that its better to stay away from it for the sake of sustaining life. Same of course can be spoken about the false. This world is a weird maze.
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I am late, but watched the video. Its all true, but it does take time to learn it all. I must still say that sometimes the truth can be so hurtful that its better to stay away from it for the sake of sustaining life. Same of course can be spoken about the false. This world is a weird maze.
I very much agree. We are frail human beings after all.
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Hello Samira,
I am disappointed, but I accept your opinion.
You still miss the purpose why we are here and in these bodies. It is a deception and the only way to get out of the body instead of Gehennom is separation, "separation of the spirit from the flesh".
Nevertheless, sex with someone you have married is not forbidden, but manifestly being a primate is dangerous. To have a family and children is part of the "game", but we must guard ourselves every minute for the impulse of satan. The more careful and mindful you are the better. However, if it becomes a habit there is not very much distraction to live like Being (Allah) and you will feel very powerful (because the "Door" opens), and eventually you will be a ruler as well and free of your awkward body, but you perhaps revere it?
We are not here to enjoy the world, even if entertainment is not forbidden and I have even seen the Sustainer have more humor than in the sectarian interpretation of Quran. It is a little like schizophrenia, where you have a conflict between two personalities; the spirit that is an image of the Sustainer and the body which is made from energy and is highly deceptive because it is basically a primate. The body clouds the spirit when it takes precedence and this is what a person must fight to prevent. If you tried the life I am propagating you would see.
Be well
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I am sorry MoF for disappointing you, but I felt I still needed to voice my opinion.
You say this
Nevertheless, sex with someone you have married is not forbidden
But the you also said this
but manifestly being a primate is dangerous
You still miss the purpose why we are here and in these bodies. It is a deception and the only way to GET out of the body instead of Gehennom is separation, "separation of the spirit from the flesh".
In other words you seem somewhat disappointed that the Quran does not explicitly forbid sex for pleasure (if it was forbidden, female and male genital mutilation would be totally justified). Thats why you seem to fill in with your words to make it sound that sex for pleasure would land you in Gehennom. And you are probably against birth control as well, seeing the emphasis on family alongside sex. I am just saying, I am sorry if I sound offensive in any way.
What is wrong with sex with full pleasure with a partner with whom you share love, compassion, security and understanding? And particularly if with a committed lifelong partner? Or, ahem, if you dont mind me saying, some self exploration to understand better how our body works and how to relax and achieve pleasure? These, especially the last point, should of course be treaded on cautiously, lest one does not end up being sucked in the labyrinth of the world and end up feeling empty and distant from the Source, and also somewhat damaged and insecure inside, instead of the other way around. So individually there are multiple ways of figuring out how this area of life applies to them.
We are not here to enjoy the world
Um, this point needs to be treaded on cautiously as well. I am still figuring things out, so I cannot comment for now properly on it.
Peace.
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Nevertheless, sex with someone you have married is not forbidden
Well, if sex with someone we married was forbidden, we people wouldn't even be here on this forum in the first place. Our main topic of discussion here is fulfilling sexual desires for pleasure versus for procreation only.
Peace.
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Well, if sex with someone we married was forbidden, we people wouldn't even be here on this forum in the first place. Our main topic of discussion here is fulfilling sexual desires for pleasure versus for procreation only.
Peace.
The mainstream versions of the Qur'an seem to describe a situation where sexual intercourse for pleasure exists rather than for procreation only.
It describes spouses as a mutual comfort and garments for one another, and talks about having intercourse with your wives with no implication of children related to it, such as the permission to have sexual intercourse during Ramadan.