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    Man_of_Faith
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    Why everything is from the Sustainer is because the universe is actually the Sustainer and therefore nothing cannot be from the Sustainer. But it is a living platform and which runs like a game world where the Sustainer lets it be like a simulation without too much interference. Consider it like a video game. You cannot choose everything in a game because the game engine will make certain limitations, but you can still execute game commands like you click the left mouse button in a first-person shooter and then you fire your rifle and kill a man. And it was you who willed to kill the man even though since the Sustainer is sustaining the game world it was the Sustainer's simulation that let you kill the man. But if the Sustainer would write a script that said "IF 'Character X fire weapon, THEN make weapon click" which means the weapon will fail to fire. This is the kind of involvement that the Sustainer has in this world. Anything the Sustainer likes to do against us.

    For example, the Administrator (Sustainer) can execute the command "drop dead 'Character X' "heart attack"" and you will get a heart attack and you die.

    Since this is a test, the apparent visual involvement of the Sustainer is very subtle even if the Sustainer could just execute the command "Make sky flash intensity 255";"Play sound file volume 60 "I AM YOUR SUSTAINER, BELIEVE ME".

    Normally the Sustainer will just let us believe that we are on our own with no involvement of a Great Sustainer and is is like a simulation where we make our choices.

    Be well

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      Why everything is from the Sustainer is because the universe is actually the Sustainer and therefore nothing cannot be from the Sustainer. But it is a living platform and which runs like a game world where the Sustainer lets it be like a simulation without too much interference. Consider it like a video game. You cannot choose everything in a game because the game engine will make certain limitations, but you can still execute game commands like you click the left mouse button in a first-person shooter and then you fire your rifle and kill a man. And it was you who willed to kill the man even though since the Sustainer is sustaining the game world it was the Sustainer's simulation that let you kill the man. But if the Sustainer would write a script that said "IF 'Character X fire weapon, THEN make weapon click" which means the weapon will fail to fire. This is the kind of involvement that the Sustainer has in this world. Anything the Sustainer likes to do against us.

      For example, the Administrator (Sustainer) can execute the command "drop dead 'Character X' "heart attack"" and you will get a heart attack and you die.

      Since this is a test, the apparent visual involvement of the Sustainer is very subtle even if the Sustainer could just execute the command "Make sky flash intensity 255";"Play sound file volume 60 "I AM YOUR SUSTAINER, BELIEVE ME".

      Normally the Sustainer will just let us believe that we are on our own with no involvement of a Great Sustainer and is is like a simulation where we make our choices.

      Be well

      Who are we? Who is the player of the game? Who holds the game controller? By what power are the controls pressed?

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        One player is you who sit in front of your device submitting forum posts.

        You are in a virtual world and things happen and occur as according to the programming and narration and story of the game. And on top of that there is an Administrator that can issue commands (will) that you would drop dead instantly if liked. Or inspire you to do something. But the most interesting thing is that the manuscript is written during the simulation so it is never predestined totally although if the manuscript being written simultaneously writes out "Freedomstands dies in a heart attack in violent pain" then it occurs no matter what. However, the manuscript is affected by our actions too and written as a reaction to the events and decisions made, but the Author can "take up the pen" (do not take literally) and intervene with text as a consequence of the action.

        The movie "The Frame" gives good insight into how the Sustainer works despite it is a bit fictionized and humorous. I recommend it. It is a psychological thriller with a disturbed depiction of reality. Yet it almost perfectly shows how the Sustainer works and what I explained about the manuscript is being written while it happens, but the Sustainer can type just about anything.

        How it works is actually very advanced but nothing is predestined. We think we have control, but we have not above a certain limit. Yet your actions and "triggering" thought was from you and NOT the Sustainer.

        Be well

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          FreedomStands
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          One player is you who sit in front of your device submitting forum posts.

          You are in a virtual world and things happen and occur as according to the programming and narration and story of the game. And on top of that there is an Administrator that can issue commands (will) that you would drop dead instantly if liked. Or inspire you to do something. But the most interesting thing is that the manuscript is written during the simulation so it is never predestined totally although if the manuscript being written simultaneously writes out "Freedomstands dies in a heart attack in violent pain" then it occurs no matter what. However, the manuscript is affected by our actions too and written as a reaction to the events and decisions made, but the Author can "take up the pen" (do not take literally) and intervene with text as a consequence of the action.

          The movie "The Frame" gives good insight into how the Sustainer works despite it is a bit fictionized and humorous. I recommend it. It is a psychological thriller with a disturbed depiction of reality. Yet it almost perfectly shows how the Sustainer works and what I explained about the manuscript is being written while it happens, but the Sustainer can type just about anything.

          How it works is actually very advanced but nothing is predestined. We think we have control, but we have not above a certain limit. Yet your actions and "triggering" thought was from you and NOT the Sustainer.

          Be well

          What about the food we eat though, and the chemicals, and the whole apparent chain of events? The scientific determinism angle?

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            You have no power, is this what you find hard to accept? You have no power. How can you Surrender if you deem yourself a little god who makes decisions and Allah follows after your decisions and you make Allah do things, you make Allah send you to hell, you make Allah send you to paradise, you make Allah by the deeds you will yourself to do, this or that? You decide where you want to walk? You decide where you want to sleep? If you want to kill someone, it is in your power to kill them?

            This summary of your entire article should have been the starting paragraph and there the matter would have been wound up as complete. The presentation is a bit compound and complex; and waxing and waning.

            Then Musa wakes up and says "Subhanaka", the word Subhan means "Nothing" and "Void", You are Nothing!

            Musa says to Allah when he came around, "Subhanaka!" which means, "Thoust art not anything of whatever I did imagine of Thee!" 112/4 And there is nothing like unto Him. It is not He who is Void; rather it is we who are devoid, imagining Allah. Musa understood that.

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              This summary of your entire article should have been the starting paragraph and there the matter would have been wound up as complete. The presentation is a bit compound and complex; and waxing and waning.

              Musa says to Allah when he came around, "Subhanaka!" which means, "Thoust art not anything of whatever I did imagine of Thee!" 112/4 And there is nothing like unto Him. It is not He who is Void; rather it is we who are devoid, imagining Allah. Musa understood that.

              I was just saying that Subhan means "void" or "nothing". That is what they say, anyway, if you look and see what is said about the meaning of that word.

              What is you said is fine though, as "not anything (I might imagine)" because that is true too, because God can not be imagined, because imagining anything would be imagining information, information is never God, God is not information but that which generates it, God is before it and not dependent on it, but it depends on God.

              If one says "God is Information, Has some "form" even if it is invisible" or anything like that, then I'd say they are wrong, and if the Qur'an said it, I'd say the Qur'an is wrong.

              Why? Because anything which has any form is thus limited by it and is "information" and "information" of any sort can not "just exist" but has to be generated, and has to be sustained in order to continue to exist and what is generated had no existence before it was generated and so can not generate itself as it is not there to generate in the first place. Its simply illogical and impossible. It is simply stupid when people think like that (I am not accusing you of thinking like that, I am just giving general examples).

              The only option is that "which is not information" thus "is void" "is like nothing" "is not made of anything" "so is unlike anything, literally nothing is the only thing which is unlike anything, otherwise "anything" is like "anything" because it is all "information", has to be responsible for the generation of information, its continuation as it can not generate from itself, etc etc. I have explained these technical details here

              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607171.msg362129#msg362129

              Did you find a long list of quotes from the Qur'an to be displeasing, that I should have summarized instead as you suggested, so that those quotes make no appearance and people don't see them and aren't encouraged to read them?

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                Freedomstands,

                The substances are made of something called naar in Arabic which has several meanings and the least accurate is "fire" whereof the jinn made of fire delusion. It is hard to say what it really is, but you can describe it that if you break its integrity you will visually have light and there will be an energy discharge and there will be generated heat. It is usually called an atom in English. It is not visible in itself although because you can see the energy radiation it is still empirically observable. In the light of quantum physics we have also been enabled to empirically study within their nature. Scientists stand and stare right into the foundation of the visible existence and yet many are atheists funny enough.

                That is the real 'naar'. Quran is very scientifically correct. Naar simply means morphologically "Integrity Be Solid" implying it is what makes everything solid. That is what renders the "outer layer" (jinn) of the Earth. It is usually used in Quran to refer to force or energy (when you apply force or give a fate to someone). The root is Nun-Waw-Ra.

                May the Force be with you

                Be well

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                  Void is not supported by very old lexicons for Subhan.

                  I often translate it as being successful by the means of perfection. Subhan means you are without error. But the root has a meaning of accomplishment of affairs which I take could indicate that it is the completion of Being when you say Subhan'Allah.

                  Be well

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                    Void is not supported by very old lexicons for Subhan.

                    I often translate it as being successful by the means of perfection. Subhan means you are without error. But the root has a meaning of accomplishment of affairs which I take could indicate that it is the completion of Being when you say Subhan'Allah.

                    Be well

                    What old lexicons are you using? Linguists of today say the root "sabh" means "void" and thus that SubhanAllah means "Allah is Void" which they take to mean "devoid of all they attribute/associate", the idea of "void" in Arabic linguistic thinking (modern) comes from implications of "Nothing" "Emptiness" "Nothing there" "Desolation" and things like that. The idea of a mountain being atomized corresponds well "being made into nothing" "being made void" anyway. It wouldn't matter to me if it meant "Allah is a puppy", I simply wouldn't believe it in that case or promote that (hopefully).

                    It isn't too hard to look it up, you can look up what they claim sabh means or "sabh means void" and its even on the wiktionary website or something I think.

                    Yet even if people said God is called a man, or God has some substance or has some "form" even if it is invisible, or metaphysical, or abstract, it doesn't matter to me because God is literally like Nothing and this is because of reasons I've explained before about how information can not create itself and so what has to cause it can not be information itself.

                    In Buddhism, this is known as Sunyata.

                    https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81

                    "In Shaivism
                    In Veerashaivism, Shunya or Shoonya (empty, zero, void) is seen as the nature of the Supreme Consciousness or Shiva. Shunya is represented as a point, or Bindu, which is beyond one and many, and beyond human intellect. Another similar term which is used in Veerashaivism to describe Shiva is balayu ? void or nothingness. One of the most important texts in South Indian Veerashaivism is called the Shunyasampadane, which means the "earning of voidness", signifying the spiritual path of merging with Shiva. H.H. Mahatapasvi Shri Kumarswamiji explains Shiva thus

                    It is the transcendent Reality, the pure Absolute, the supracosmic Infinity. It is itself its own world, its own universe, of any other than itself it can form no concept. It knows not length nor breadth nor height, for it has no experience of them; it has no cognisance even of the number one, for it is itself one and all being is really nothing. How to represent it? Words come out baffled, it defies all definition and description. Yet the humble attempt of human mind to represent it ends in a zero. So it is represented by a zero or Shunya."

                    https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhi#Buddha-nature

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                      Salam

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                        FreedomStands
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                        Salam

                        How is it going? You like what you're seeing? Do you like what I'm writing? Do you agree? If so, may the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon you, as they already may be, if you are one made to understand!

                        If not?

                        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY6SlRK5SIo

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                          drfazl
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                          Lex iconic approach is intriguing but serves no purpose. The meanings of a word is not important but what counts is what one means by his 'take' of a word. Let one interpret his meaning; if it is in accordance with the conscience of human nature, 4/82 then it is ok.

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                            FreedomStands
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                            Lex iconic approach is intriguing but serves no purpose. The meanings of a word is not important but what counts is what one means by his 'take' of a word. Let one interpret his meaning; if it is in accordance with the conscience of human nature, 4/82 then it is ok.

                            Might not be good for them in the end, but I think everyone might automatically do that kind of. Just following whatever they think or want to think.

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              What old lexicons are you using? Linguists of today say the root "sabh" means "void" and thus that SubhanAllah means "Allah is Void" which they take to mean "devoid of all they attribute/associate", the idea of "void" in Arabic linguistic thinking (modern) comes from implications of "Nothing" "Emptiness" "Nothing there" "Desolation" and things like that. The idea of a mountain being atomized corresponds well "being made into nothing" "being made void" anyway. It wouldn't matter to me if it meant "Allah is a puppy", I simply wouldn't believe it in that case or promote that (hopefully).

                              I wonder what kind of linguistics you have heard expressing themselves then. I would suppose they are "Muslim scholars" or heavily influenced by religion.

                              There is no indication of such from 4 different ancient lexicons with the oldest about 1100 years old. There are many definitions stated for Subh, but void is not mentioned even once.

                              Linguistically it suits very poorly as well because why would you say Being is Void when allah as a word means that you should be it?

                              The real meaning would be that one is independent if they are Subhan and not a sheep. Subhan is never mentioned along with the Arabic word 'Rabb', the only object reference to the "GOD", as far as I can recall from reading the texts many times.

                              It isn't too hard to look it up, you can look up what they claim sabh means or "sabh means void" and its even on the wiktionary website or something I think.

                              But for GOD sake, you cannot use wiktionary or something. You have to study ancient lexicons yourself. There is a lexicon compiled by Edward Lane in the 1800's which is Arabic English and it uses material from several ancient lexicons. Anyone can come up with some conjecture that the word means "void", but it does not have support from older sources.

                              Yet even if people said God is called a man, or God has some substance or has some "form" even if it is invisible, or metaphysical, or abstract, it doesn't matter to me because God is literally like Nothing and this is because of reasons I've explained before about how information can not create itself and so what has to cause it can not be information itself.

                              The Sustainer can be visible and invisible and the whole universe is contained "within the grasp of its "hand"". If the Sustainer is Nothing then it means there is no existence either. You contradict yourself in pursuit of quasi-science. The Sustainer is an infinitum. It has no beginning and it has no end. You cannot see the Sustainer, but if you see can observe atoms then you have seen the Sustainer through the visible traces that can be observed. Yet atoms cannot be destroyed but they simply transform into a different matter. The whole universe is a living platform and every atom out there is the Sustainer. When an embryo grows into a fetus then it is the Sustainer that is causing the movement of atoms to form the baby in the uterus. It is an autonomous chain of events even though the copulation initiated the sequence.

                              Everything in the world except the copies of the Sustainer on the model after Adam are autonomous and also Adam can be autonomous if they just go after the primate's desires rather than Being (allah).

                              You are right that the Sustainer is not visible in its raw form, but subh is the wrong word to look for.

                              Be well

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                                FreedomStands
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                                I wonder what kind of linguistics you have heard expressing themselves then. I would suppose they are "Muslim scholars" or heavily influenced by religion.

                                There is no indication of such from 4 different ancient lexicons with the oldest about 1100 years old. There are many definitions stated for Subh, but void is not mentioned even once.

                                Linguistically it suits very poorly as well because why would you say Being is Void when allah as a word means that you should be it?

                                The real meaning would be that one is independent if they are Subhan and not a sheep. Subhan is never mentioned along with the Arabic word 'Rabb', the only object reference to the "GOD", as far as I can recall from reading the texts many times.

                                But for GOD sake, you cannot use wiktionary or something. You have to study ancient lexicons yourself. There is a lexicon compiled by Edward Lane in the 1800's which is Arabic English and it uses material from several ancient lexicons. Anyone can come up with some conjecture that the word means "void", but it does not have support from older sources.

                                The Sustainer can be visible and invisible and the whole universe is contained "within the grasp of its "hand"". If the Sustainer is Nothing then it means there is no existence either. You contradict yourself in pursuit of quasi-science. The Sustainer is an infinitum. It has no beginning and it has no end. You cannot see the Sustainer, but if you see can observe atoms then you have seen the Sustainer through the visible traces that can be observed. Yet atoms cannot be destroyed but they simply transform into a different matter. The whole universe is a living platform and every atom out there is the Sustainer. When an embryo grows into a fetus then it is the Sustainer that is causing the movement of atoms to form the baby in the uterus. It is an autonomous chain of events even though the copulation initiated the sequence.

                                Everything in the world except the copies of the Sustainer on the model after Adam are autonomous and also Adam can be autonomous if they just go after the primate's desires rather than Being (allah).

                                You are right that the Sustainer is not visible in its raw form, but subh is the wrong word to look for.

                                Be well

                                It is the official academic interpretation of the meaning and origin of the term, its well known among linguists both non-Muslim and Muslim. "Scholar" types might avoid it, since they don't like that it means that, but that is what it means according to linguists. You might be looking up the wrong combination of letters if you can't find it.

                                It is also easy to find online, just type "what does SubhanAllah mean" or "Sabh means void" and some stuff might come up or "Allah is void" or other things.

                                Are you claiming that God is made up of "stuff" (information) and thus has even an "invisible form" or "substance" which CAN NOT BE because God is the first, uncreated, made of nothing, there is no "stuff" except as God creates, God is before "stuff", and if God were "stuff" then something had to have made the stuff and determined its laws and what "binds" God to the "stuff", no, God is never "stuff" and never made of "information" of any sort, but makes all information, is UNCONDITIONED.

                                So it fits well, even if the Qur'an never said it.

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                                  The Sustainer can be visible and invisible and the whole universe is contained "within the grasp of its "hand"". If the Sustainer is Nothing then it means there is no existence either. You contradict yourself in pursuit of quasi-science. The Sustainer is an infinitum. It has no beginning and it has no end. You cannot see the Sustainer, but if you see can observe atoms then you have seen the Sustainer through the visible traces that can be observed. Yet atoms cannot be destroyed but they simply transform into a different matter. The whole universe is a living platform and every atom out there is the Sustainer. When an embryo grows into a fetus then it is the Sustainer that is causing the movement of atoms to form the baby in the uterus. It is an autonomous chain of events even though the copulation initiated the sequence.

                                  You know MOF, after I had the weird dream about Allah I wanted to pm you because it described what you always tell usbecome one with God. I was hesitant only because I didn't understand what I saw. I didn't know how to put it into words. I was confused and dumbfounded. But members on this forum assured me that it wasn't anything crazy. Everything you said here does explain what I believe now. But our reality is so limited that I feel it would take thousands more years to truly explain what Allah is. For most mainstream Muslims, he lives in the sky and watches us from there P

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                                    You know MOF, after I had the weird dream about Allah I wanted to pm you because it described what you always tell usbecome one with God. I was hesitant only because I didn't understand what I saw. I didn't know how to put it into words. I was confused and dumbfounded. But members on this forum assured me that it wasn't anything crazy. Everything you said here does explain what I believe now. But our reality is so limited that I feel it would take thousands more years to truly explain what Allah is. For most mainstream Muslims, he lives in the sky and watches us from there P

                                    Good idea to trust in your dreams huh?

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                                      Are you claiming that God is made up of "stuff" (information) and thus has even an "invisible form" or "substance" which CAN NOT BE because God is the first, uncreated, made of nothing, there is no "stuff" except as God creates, God is before "stuff", and if God were "stuff" then something had to have made the stuff and determined its laws and what "binds" God to the "stuff", no, God is never "stuff" and never made of "information" of any sort, but makes all information, is UNCONDITIONED.

                                      It is a fallacy in itself because nothing cannot create nothing. It is 0 + 0 = 0.

                                      However 1 + 1 = 2, even though since every matter is a share of that singularity it should be 1 + 1 = 1, just like a computer works, i.e. either it is 0 or it is 1. You can imagine the Sustainer by a disk layer of hard-drive where the constancy (singularity) is either 0 or 1 and every bit can be written to and sufficient bits (atoms) then they form a byte (molecule) and sufficient bytes they form a file fragment (substance) and when they are a file then it can be an object of different form, but they still consist of many billion bits.

                                      The Sustainer is a constancy and infinitum. It has no beginning nor an end, but it is there as a singularity. You cannot destroy the surface of that "disk" but only erase the information to become a zero. But the Sustainer can both rewrite a zero or make it write-protected so you cannot erase the 1 or there is certain difficulty to erase the zero (a hard matter such as diamond) that you need a special program (sequence of data = a tool) to erase the data.

                                      If you are smart, then you see the parable from your Sustainer in the above elaboration. If you do not, well then that is up to you and you cannot blame the Sustainer.

                                      But your spirit is not stored on that hard-drive but when the data is projected as a running application then your spirit is there. Refer to the parable that you are a Player that sits and is into a computer game, but the Programmer and Administrator can affect your game very literally and sits interconnected 24/7 and monitors the development and always has the last say in everything, and the Administrator can also go in and unconditionally write to the disk so that information (atoms) are altered.

                                      The hardware that you use (in the parable) is the Sustainer. Due to its overwhelming nature and that the Sustainer is existence itself it is difficult to comprehend this. But your Sustainer is NOT "nothingness", but rather than a constant 1. Refer to that 0 + 0 cannot be 1. Now that human science begins to enter Quantum Physics they have begun to be able to look into the nature of their Sustainer, even though ironically most scientists are still atheists. The universe is when the data is expanded on that disk leaving more data as 0 in between. And the storage space on the disk is infinite, by the way.

                                      constancy / knstnsi / Ac noun formal
                                      1 the quality of staying the same even though other things change

                                      infinite / nfnt / Ac adjective

                                      2 without limits in space or time ; OPP finite
                                      The universe is infinite.

                                      It is the official academic interpretation of the meaning and origin of the term, its well known among linguists both non-Muslim and Muslim. "Scholar" types might avoid it, since they don't like that it means that, but that is what it means according to linguists. You might be looking up the wrong combination of letters if you can't find it.

                                      It is also easy to find online, just type "what does SubhanAllah mean" or "Sabh means void" and some stuff might come up or "Allah is void" or other things.

                                      (Siin-Ba-Ha) does not mean void. There is absolutely no traditional reference that I know of in elder sources that indicate this. It does not make any sense either because Allah is not a word for your Sustainer but it means "Such as is It". The only indication would be that you mean that everyone who decides on Being, we do not exist?

                                      I gave in the previous segment above information to you that your Sustainer needs to be 1 or else it does not work. Nothing originates out of nothingness.

                                      nothingness / nns / noun
                                      1 empty space, or the absence of anything
                                      He stared into nothingness.
                                      2 the state of not existing
                                      Is there only nothingness after death?

                                      The problem is that your Sustainer is both empty space and filled space, i.e. if it is 0 and 1. Refer to the disk I was talking about as a parable. Even if there is an empty void there is an inactivated "data sector" (zero) also some think it is called "dark matter". This is why the data technology is very good at forming parables in our contemporary time.

                                      Be well

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                                        You know MOF, after I had the weird dream about Allah I wanted to pm you because it described what you always tell usbecome one with God. I was hesitant only because I didn't understand what I saw. I didn't know how to put it into words. I was confused and dumbfounded. But members on this forum assured me that it wasn't anything crazy. Everything you said here does explain what I believe now. But our reality is so limited that I feel it would take thousands more years to truly explain what Allah is. For most mainstream Muslims, he lives in the sky and watches us from there P

                                        I think that subconsciously people know that what I write makes sense but they consciously suppress the thought since the human consists of two parts while usually the conscious you (which is the primate) has the dominating role. The key is to suppress that primitive Being within you to move forth your true spirit. If you could get forth your subconscious mind into the normal consciousness, not only could you understand that you were actually living for a very long time but in different husks but you also realize your place and who you are. If you trigger the subconscious mind from expressing itself by a strong elicitation such as my words then you can have obscure dreams.

                                        The silly part is that you are much like a god that has been deluded in a deceiving body and world. If you could retrieve forth your subconscious mind then much would be more clear to you.

                                        There is just problems with this and it has to be taken with caution because the raw spirit of your subconscious mind can cause certain interference with your daily living when you no longer can differentiate between your "temporary" husk's life and what you retrieved. Mentally ill people who have psychosis have a dysfunction that they gather at random information from the subconscious mind causing all sorts of interference with normal living. You have to be strong and not let on your whole spirit at once but learn to grow your spirit. The reason why you are here again and again and again is because you previously failed attempts and you may actually have been a bad person and you need to control who you are. It is like you have to "tame" your spirit and learn to Be Being (allah). If it is tamed then you can finally have peace.

                                        I do not encourage drinking alcohol, but if you no longer get affected in any way except bodily imbalance due to the intoxication you have tamed your spirit. The alcohol draws forth elements from the fragmented subconscious mind and the nature of your primate body. I stopped drinking alcohol due to this reason in 2008.

                                        But our reality is so limited that I feel it would take thousands more years to truly explain what Allah is.

                                        Actually it is not so difficult to explain using parables such as what I wrote to FreedomStands. It is just a matter of being crazy or controlled enough to believe in it. When we limit ourselves to what we perceive using our standard senses then it becomes difficult. Modern abstract science has enabled us to study the phenomenon of the Sustainer more easily.

                                        The main difficulty is to understand how a constancy and infinitum could be there in the first place as our normal logic cannot make it work out. No beginning nor end is hard for us. And it is hard to understand how it works dynamically with all zeros (dark matter) and ones (matter). But to further the understanding initially the most important is to realize that the Sustainer is existence itself. No separation. If you exist then it is in symbiosis with It.

                                        My personal question is not what the Sustainer is, but I am still dumbfounded to comprehend how something can exist apparently without a beginning nor end. I understand conjecture like the Matrix, but then one can also think that Matrix was created with influence from the Sustainer. I think one has to simply accept that there is no explanation for the Sustainer, It simply IS. It is too advanced to comprehend down deeper. But it is the more important for us to understand that we are in delusion in a body made to be an illusion to us on purpose, and that WE ARE COPIES OF THE GRAND CONSCIOUSNESS (the Sustainer). If we appear helpless is because we are forcefully attached to bodies on purpose and we cannot sense our divine nature due to the illusion that was placed there on purpose by the Sustainer. Because the Sustainer had in mind to refine and test all the new souls and only keep the best to return to their raw source.

                                        If you like feel free to send a Private Message to me.

                                        Be well

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                                          It is a fallacy in itself because nothing cannot create nothing. It is 0 + 0 = 0.

                                          However 1 + 1 = 2, even though since every matter is a share of that singularity it should be 1 + 1 = 1, just like a computer works, i.e. either it is 0 or it is 1. You can imagine the Sustainer by a disk layer of hard-drive where the constancy (singularity) is either 0 or 1 and every bit can be written to and sufficient bits (atoms) then they form a byte (molecule) and sufficient bytes they form a file fragment (substance) and when they are a file then it can be an object of different form, but they still consist of many billion bits.

                                          The Sustainer is a constancy and infinitum. It has no beginning nor an end, but it is there as a singularity. You cannot destroy the surface of that "disk" but only erase the information to become a zero. But the Sustainer can both rewrite a zero or make it write-protected so you cannot erase the 1 or there is certain difficulty to erase the zero (a hard matter such as diamond) that you need a special program (sequence of data = a tool) to erase the data.

                                          If you are smart, then you see the parable from your Sustainer in the above elaboration. If you do not, well then that is up to you and you cannot blame the Sustainer.

                                          But your spirit is not stored on that hard-drive but when the data is projected as a running application then your spirit is there. Refer to the parable that you are a Player that sits and is into a computer game, but the Programmer and Administrator can affect your game very literally and sits interconnected 24/7 and monitors the development and always has the last say in everything, and the Administrator can also go in and unconditionally write to the disk so that information (atoms) are altered.

                                          The hardware that you use (in the parable) is the Sustainer. Due to its overwhelming nature and that the Sustainer is existence itself it is difficult to comprehend this. But your Sustainer is NOT "nothingness", but rather than a constant 1. Refer to that 0 + 0 cannot be 1. Now that human science begins to enter Quantum Physics they have begun to be able to look into the nature of their Sustainer, even though ironically most scientists are still atheists. The universe is when the data is expanded on that disk leaving more data as 0 in between. And the storage space on the disk is infinite, by the way.

                                          constancy / knstnsi / Ac noun formal
                                          1 the quality of staying the same even though other things change

                                          infinite / nfnt / Ac adjective

                                          2 without limits in space or time ; OPP finite
                                          The universe is infinite.

                                          (Siin-Ba-Ha) does not mean void. There is absolutely no traditional reference that I know of in elder sources that indicate this. It does not make any sense either because Allah is not a word for your Sustainer but it means "Such as is It". The only indication would be that you mean that everyone who decides on Being, we do not exist?

                                          I gave in the previous segment above information to you that your Sustainer needs to be 1 or else it does not work. Nothing originates out of nothingness.

                                          nothingness / nns / noun
                                          1 empty space, or the absence of anything
                                          He stared into nothingness.
                                          2 the state of not existing
                                          Is there only nothingness after death?

                                          The problem is that your Sustainer is both empty space and filled space, i.e. if it is 0 and 1. Refer to the disk I was talking about as a parable. Even if there is an empty void there is an inactivated "data sector" (zero) also some think it is called "dark matter". This is why the data technology is very good at forming parables in our contemporary time.

                                          Be well

                                          God is LIKE Nothing, that is, not MADE of ANYTHING (and ANYTHING is Information), but God has GENERATIVE POWER and IS the GENERATIVE POWER, which is not made of anything, BUT MAKES EVERYTHING. This has been PROVEN as what we are experiencing, whatever at all it is, visible or invisible, is "information" and whatever at all is animating it and generating it ULTIMATELY is what I call GOD.

                                          There is no fallacy, and I am not saying that God is ABSOLUTE NOTHING which can not DO anything, but God is LIKE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except that God HAS and IS the POWER which WILLS, DETERMINES, CREATES, commanding BE, and it is in an instant.

                                          If God did not have the generative power, there would be only GOD, which is LIKE NOTHING, literally, no form, no shape, no images, no information, no size, no dimensions, no place, no box, nothing greater, nothing limiting, unconditioned.

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