Question about the Holy Quran
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My dear mmkhan,
History is narration or in writing of events that happened in past,may be near past,may be still nearer ,just a year or month or week back,if so,then quran is indeed a book of history itself,because it is full of past information.History may be write or wrong but it can easily be checked by Proofs old pictures,models,writings,and hoy books like quran,bible etc.Please let me have your comments that may guide me and others.What is the proof that quran is from Allah?? I mean,just go back in history told tous by holy books,that prophet Moses received some tablets unlike verbal quran,tablets are much better idea for those who say where is the proof,so did not Allah gave us quran written and engraved in hard black stone that could last thousand of years?? -
Salam Alikum
I'm a sunni muslim (looking forward for Quranism) all i can recall is that there is one thing keeping me from being a Quranist, and that is Lack of historical content, for example when the Quran speak about a battle, it talks about it in terms of who won and lost, but it doesn't speak about the place where the battle waged, the lack of historical content is also predominant in-terms of the Prophet peace be upon him family, for example Ali is not mentioned in the Quran, there is little info about the prophet life in the Quran
i guess you see where I'm going at, i'm just interested in your answers
and please no hate and insults and mockery, take it as you are inviting someone to islam
Salaam,
I think there is great wisdom in not mentioning the specifics of battles because if we had specifics then people would assume that the rules mentioned in the Quran can only be applied to those very specific circumstances. Allah (swt) is the most knowledgeable about all there is, so I find it funny when the Christians claim proudly that their scripture doesn't talk about war, I think that's a great oversight and a deficiency in their scripture because any normal human being with the slightest of common sense will realize that war in inevitable in the world we live in. For God to not mention war would put man in a great difficulty. Allah (swt) mentions wars and gives us the rules for waging wars i.e. we must not start them, we must do it for self defense, we must stop fighting when the enemy stops and we must not transgress limits in war.
Had Allah (swt) mentioned a very specific war then the mullahs would have said that these rules only apply to that specific situation, which btw they are doing today but they are doing it with the help of hadith literature.
As for the family of the Prophet (pbuh), I don't see whats the need of knowing who they were and what they did as they were normal humans like us and the guidance for a purified life is all contained within the pages of the Quran. Give charity, be kind to your parents and orphans and the needy, do not commit murder or adultery etc when you read that in the Quran why do you need any specific human examples?
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Brother, we cannot rely on any book on earth except for alQuraan
We cannot even rely on the quran. We must rely on our reasoning abilities and the inspired guidance from The Sustainer.
Without understanding, the Quran is nothing. It is obvious from Trad. Islam. Even though the diseased books of Hadith and collections of Sunna contain much idiocy, people also base their ideas and actions on verses from the quran. With a twisted understanding, the Quran is worse than nothing.The Quran can be a tool of guidance, provided we are guided properly. What we get from the Quran reflects our own level of guidance/blindness.
We should not accept anything blindly, especially not the Quran. So, first of all, we must have some things correct before approaching the Quran
Our intentions must be correct, i.e. to find truth and guidance, and not to confirm our current belief or some packaged religion.
We must be pure, without unconscious/hidden agenda, i.e. humble enough be ready to change one's point of view.
We must realize our fallibility, ready to acknowledge our incomplete and partly false understanding of what we study.
The purpose must be to sync the Quran and reality, and not to conform to the dogmas and rituals of a sect. The Quran is not a book on religion, but rather a cheat sheet into the workings of reality.
We must see the Quran like an infinite spring well, and not an fixed/limited instruction manual for rituals.Peace
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My dear mmkhan,
History is narration or in writing of events that happened in past,may be near past,may be still nearer ,just a year or month or week back,if so,then quran is indeed a book of history itself,because it is full of past information.History may be write or wrong but it can easily be checked by Proofs old pictures,models,writings,and hoy books like quran,bible etc.Please let me have your comments that may guide me and others.What is the proof that quran is from Allah?? I mean,just go back in history told tous by holy books,that prophet Moses received some tablets unlike verbal quran,tablets are much better idea for those who say where is the proof,so did not Allah gave us quran written and engraved in hard black stone that could last thousand of years??Salaam brother,
If you ask me why and how did I believe that alQuraan is from Allah? The answer is I found this book claiming to be from Allah. So, I tried studying it critically and found the book is correct in it's claim. And I had to admit that the book is from Allah. I never even think of looking at history. How can I believe that the book of Allah is actually from based on human writings?
I strongly believe that alQuraan was verbal at all but it was given in a way how it was give to Musa since Adam.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
We cannot even rely on the quran. We must rely on our reasoning abilities and the inspired guidance from The Sustainer.
Without understanding, the Quran is nothing. It is obvious from Trad. Islam. Even though the diseased books of Hadith and collections of Sunna contain much idiocy, people also base their ideas and actions on verses from the quran. With a twisted understanding, the Quran is worse than nothing.The Quran can be a tool of guidance, provided we are guided properly. What we get from the Quran reflects our own level of guidance/blindness.
We should not accept anything blindly, especially not the Quran. So, first of all, we must have some things correct before approaching the Quran
Our intentions must be correct, i.e. to find truth and guidance, and not to confirm our current belief or some packaged religion.
We must be pure, without unconscious/hidden agenda, i.e. humble enough be ready to change one's point of view.
We must realize our fallibility, ready to acknowledge our incomplete and partly false understanding of what we study.
The purpose must be to sync the Quran and reality, and not to conform to the dogmas and rituals of a sect. The Quran is not a book on religion, but rather a cheat sheet into the workings of reality.
We must see the Quran like an infinite spring well, and not an fixed/limited instruction manual for rituals.Peace
Peace brother,
Thank you
Actually I believe the same what you wrote above. I said that we can only rely on alQuraan is based on my current knowledge. And I compared alQuraan here with books only. If you ask me I wanted to rely on Allah alone for everything including guidance. I know that alQuraan is just a tool.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Thanks brother. I am in agreement with Zulf too.
Maybe you three can hold each others hands and take a big leap of faith.
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He isn't too much into the current Academic standards or views maybe though. Someday the Academia might follow the views of Man of Faith, but for now the mainstream opinion of Muslim and Non-Muslim scholars differ from the views of Man of Faith in a great many respects.
but those same academics are used to prove the hadith tridition is false
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Salaam bro,
You are welcome.
Thanks for your reply.When you said it's not then the chapter of history is closed. Brother, we cannot rely on any book on earth except for alQuraan. And Allah is not going to ask us about history when we are raised again, but He will ask us about our deeds. So, deeds are important to us that too based on the syllabus given to us i.e.,AlQuraan only.
If history is important then why do you think Allah didn't said anything about it or why He didn't ask us to follow it. Or at least He could have said that you search and find something important in history and follow it or add it to your knowledge. Instead He said Please click on the aayat for different translations.
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When we have everything in detail in the Book we have in our hands, then why look for other books which contains lot of contradictions? .
Now how the history is important?
When it is not mentioned in alQuraan/alKitaab then it is surely not important. Better to be an Abd-Allah instead of a Quraanist )
Sorry for not being clear, my apologize. My English is very poor -. And we are not going to get another change. So, is it not better to be on a safer side and try to follow only what we are asked to in alQuraan?
I understand it is really important to study what is given to us and that is the purpose of our lives to serve Allah alone. And believe me brother, our life time is not even enough to study the Book called alQuraan. So, why to waste our time studying other books?
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You did not answer to the question asked bro.
If it is not in alQuraan then that is not important at all.I don't believe in wars and violence mentioned in alQuraan.
Look at 230 were shedding blood is used in negative sense and they were given knowledge from their Lord about it.665
Red part above shows clearly that fighting,war and blood shed is an azaab from Allah. Please think about it and seek Allah's help in understanding them correctly.
Sorry for long post bro )
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhani'll take your post for consideration thank you, you had some good points there and there
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Would that be a blind leap of faith, or a reasonable outreach-leap in the spirit of trial and error?
If they seek to jump into a pit or a fire, then the first, and if they seek to jump and skip merrily in a garden, then they might be best served by the latter, though with caution, as one does not need to put their hand in a meat grinder to understand how that might be detrimental, and one need not think every falsehood is reasonable to operate on if one has grasped some clear principles.
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i sent you messages with the verses you requested, these are some of what i found, sorry for sending it twice, i could not find them in my messages tab so i think they didn't reach you can you confirm if you got my messages?
Salaam brother,
That's ok.
Yes I received and answered to your query.