If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Follow Prophet YusufFall not to eye specialists!
12.96. Then when the bringer of good news, cast the shirt on his face, he regained his sight@. He said, ?Did I not say to you, I know from Allah that which you do not know??
@ Old age sight defects are due to worry, sadness, fear about gloomy future, continued grief over the loss of what you had doted. If one has old aged sight defects, he shall by the leave of Allah get relieved of all the above emotions to get his or her sight back.
Do you think you're doing some good deed by telling the elderly or people with sight problems to reject the technologies that Allah has taught people which can help them improve their vision and live a better life and be grateful to Allah? Allah takes credit in the Qur'an for putting the ships on the sea, these are all creations of Allah. Medical treatments, glasses, and other technologies like hearing aids and other things have helped people lots, and people should be grateful to God for them. I find it really quite sinful to tell people to reject medicine if they are sick, when it is Allah who is behind all these technologies which can help people. Prosthetic limbs, metal plates, certain medicines, and much more.
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Do you think you're doing some good deed by telling the elderly or people with sight problems to reject the technologies that Allah has taught people which can help them improve their vision and live a better life and be grateful to Allah?
Welcome!
I think I am doing the best not only to the elderly people but the youngest ones too. I was only quoting of the Sign 12/96 from the Signs of Quran.
Has Allah taught the technologies, that works on fire? Show me an ayat to confirm your assertion. I think Allah has created all living things out of water 24/45 is what Quran says about creations. All fiery things are from jinns and the jinns are the masters of the fiery technologies. And most mankind have become companions to his illusionary misadventure 6/128 - their missionaries of machineries. Show me an ayat now to assert your claim that Allah has asked you to turn away and follow your technologies that run on fire and not return to Him at all, before we proceed to the rest of your tales below.
Allah takes credit in the Qur'an for putting the ships on the sea, these are all creations of Allah. Medical treatments, glasses, and other technologies like hearing aids and other things have helped people lots, and people should be grateful to God for them. I find it really quite sinful to tell people to reject medicine if they are sick, when it is Allah who is behind all these technologies which can help people. Prosthetic limbs, metal plates, certain medicines, and much more.
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Welcome!
I think I am doing the best not only to the elderly people but the youngest ones too. I was only quoting of the Sign 12/96 from the Signs of Quran.
Has Allah taught the technologies, that works on fire? Show me an ayat to confirm your assertion. I think Allah has created all living things out of water 24/45 is what Quran says about creations. All fiery things are from jinns and the jinns are the masters of the fiery technologies. And most mankind have become companions to his illusionary misadventure 6/128 - their missionaries of machineries. Show me an ayat now to assert your claim that Allah has asked you to turn away and follow your technologies that run on fire and not return to Him at all, before we proceed to the rest of your tales below.
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(Yes, "ships" run over the sea water, but they are a "technology" usually credited to humans, but Allah takes credit for them, and "All" things are created by Allah, the good and the bad.)1620
"Created Nothing"Allah the acclaimed inventor of everything also takes credit for "fire" here
3680and has used the element of fire in several ways, such as in the case with Musa, and then extensively in hell, making "garments of fire" and other things.
Jinn are made of a fiercely hot fire the way humans are made out of clay, that doesn't mean "Jinn are the masters of fiery technology" and "humans are the masters of clay technology", nothing like that has ever been said in the Qur'an, but instead Allah is seen repeatedly taking credit for "All" meaning everything in existence, good, bad, ugly, beautiful, fire, water, clay, art, technology, ships, shops, economy, everything is the invention and creation of God, nothing else creates anything. Even if a human is credited with a discovery or invention, it is God who made it so, it is not a human who created anything at all.
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Everything5038 "All that is between" Everything, Everything, down to your thoughts, actions, technologies, there is no other creator. To say that there are other creators is shirk.
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"Created YOU and ALL YOUR HANDIWORK" Not yelling at you, just capitalizing for emphasis.612
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Technology credited usually to humans is credited to God repeatedly in the Qur'an.2265
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That is of use to men.1057
Medicines and all knowledge are from God alone, not jinn, God has no partners.3441
Do not be like the people who credit jinn as creators. (I know you don't worship them, but you are attributing creation to them when Allah is the sole creator, they did not create or produce any of these ideas, God alone did, even if jinn were involved or humans were involved in getting ideas or taking actions it is God doing All, All is from God, All creation, Everything, there is no other producer, inventor, or creator of anything good or evil, be it thoughts, actions, events, technologies, or anything else, and Allah is the one who operates them in every detail, if a technology does not work one day it is Allah who is causing that, and if it does work, it is Allah who is causing that. Islam is about eliminating from yourself the tendency to think wrongly and fall into shirk, attributing creation to other powers when there are no other powers, everything is powerless to act it is God alone who acts and performs everything, is the only power, holds up the birds, and grows out the beards, makes the electricity flow through the wires, the jinns can not do anything, nor can the humans, it is Allah doing everything, the jinns and the humans only do what Allah wills, willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly, as God chooses and decides everything).1620
They can not create anything.2868
They can't choose, decide, or determine anything.7630 and 8129
They can not even WILL to do anything, they can not even DESIRE a thing except if Allah wills them to desire it, even the desires are a creation of God.There is no power but God, there is no strength but God, there is nothing to fear but God, there is no creator but God, there is no hope but God, there is no savior but God, there is no harm but God, there is no refuge or escape but God, there is no place, no sanctuary, no haven, no peace, but God, but God, but God, but God!
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If you consider it evil or good, it is from God. All is from God, God creates it, God manifests it, God eliminates it. There is no other power in operation.1839
No strength whatsoever to produce anything or do anything.490
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Not just birds, but all reality, all events, all people, all actions, all technologies, all the jinn too.It is not just "some things" but ALL.
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That does not mean the rejection of God's medicine, just like God gave Noah the knowledge to build a ship rather than simply making him and the animals fly in the sky or walk on water which also was possible. God gives the technology too, it is a creation of God, so if someone is sick they should not reject the medicine and suffer out of foolish arrogance, rejecting the gifts of God which have helped humanity.
This is why it is wrong to tell someone to die when they have the option to take the medicine and thank God for the medicine, as it is God who produced it and informed people by whatever means, and God who made it work. Not jinn, not humans, but God alone.
To say to God "no! I want it this way, not another way" is just arrogance, and even that arrogance is from God too, and the misguidance as well, and thinking you are right, and whatever else. Same goes for me.
"No! I won't take the medicine! I want you to give it to me a certain way!"
It isn't right, and it isn't right to tell people to do that either or make them doubt that God alone is the power, the creator, the giver of everything, the inventor of everything.
Even if evil things are invented by a human or anything else, it is still God behind all of it. The Qur'an repeatedly makes this evident in so many statements, but even if it hadn't it is the case if anyone uses their common sense and logic and has a correct concept and is not prone to "shirk" or the "sharing" of attributed powers or acts with other than God as creators or performers.
We are in a situation where we are entirely under the control of God even if we don't realize it, the jinn included, and you are using a technology based on the "fire" of electricity and electrical signals right now. So don't be silly about these things, but will you listen? I doubt it really.
You probably have some grudge with me, and I also don't like how you've approached me multiple times, so don't worry about convincing me of anything, because if you say ANYTHING other than "All is from God" and ANYTHING other than "Allah alone holds sway, power, and control over everything" and ANYTHING other than "Everything that is, is the will of God, there is no other will but God's will and no other strength or power but God's power" and ANYTHING other than "God alone control harm and benefit, good and evil", I will not concede to it insha'Allah, and I will not perform idiotic logical errors which are shirk.
So either abide strictly by what I am telling you from the Qur'an, or else you are denying that "All is from God" that "God created everything" that "God controls everything" and much more. You are attributing other creators, other actors, other wills besides the will of God
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So don't think I am mocking, and don't think you can ever "beat" me at what I am teaching, which is pure non-shirk.
This is not a competition where out of envy or anything else you might think it is wise to attack me or try to "teach" me anything while not paying attention to what I am saying.
What I am telling you is for your benefit and the benefit of all the people watching, but anyone who says "Jinn created this, it is not from God, when you are sick reject medicine for this reason or any other reason" this is both senseless, wrong, and full blown shirk, spreading both disease spiritually and physically.
I also understand if you do not change your stance to what I am telling you, it is due to God who has constrained you just as God has constrained me, but this is something to realize, not to be proud of that God has put the curse of shirk into the mouths of some people or into their understanding. It is a dreadful thing, and God is the one who should be feared, and only God can save you and save your mind.
I'm very sorry if it sounds harsh, and you'll probably come up with some annoying or insulting reply, and I really don't care at all except that you're increasing in sin if you don't simply say "Yes, Allah alone is the creator and the power, the jinn and the humans have not really invented anything, and the technologies (good or evil, harmful or beneficial) are all from God ultimately and entirely, there are no partners with God".
Then we are on the same terms, and you are saying something right. If you defy that, then you are performing shirk, and sufficient is Allah to me, anything other than what I am saying or similar will not insha'Allah be acknowledged by me or "respected" in the least.
You know why I'm so vicious man? Because I DESPISE SHIRK. God has put such a hatred in my heart for shirk that I can understand the violence performed by Ibrahim in his demonstrations. Shirk is an abomination, and it is not out of love of God even, but hating lies and hating self-deception that I wish for the destruction of shirk and all the followers of shirk.
You should be vicious like me too towards the same things, rather than being mean to me or harassing me or annoying me. If I'm a devil with fangs and wild eyes, it is the throat of shirk I will tear open and let its black blood spill and spit it back in its ugly face. Lies are despicable, especially in a world where we already have so much trouble, we don't need lies and liars on top of it.
So your options are as follows
Either conform to what I am saying or
Deny what I am saying (you are performing shirk then openly).
If you want to make me angry, it is easy, simply pronounce blasphemies and utter shirk, and watch me roar and be filled with rage.
If you want to make me happy, simply say "Allah alone is the power, there is no power but Allah, no creator but Allah, all inventions belong to Allah, all deeds go back to Allah, Allah can harm us, Allah can benefit us, nothing else can harm us or benefit us, everything in the heavens and the earth and all that is in between, all creation, it all is from Allah, there is no other giver of experiences, information, events, thoughts, deeds."
If you do not do this, then you are not making me happy.
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Iron and all metals as well, crafted for use with fire technologies.Though these are not even important examples, what is important is to recognize what was written about, regardless of any of this, you must abolish shirk from the mentality for your own sake.
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5.51 - O Believers, ... Certainly Allah guides not the evildoers.
9.24 - Say .......then await a command from Allah; and Allah guides not the sinners.
in this two verse Allah guides us that He will not guide the evildoers/sinners. what i understand from it evildoing or sinning is my rejection/ shirk of God. so when i reject, i shirk God. then i'm not guided by Him but He only allows me in my defiant rejection. it does not mean God blessed the evil, He brings chances for me to mend else i have to meet the end - hell fire.
freedomstands, in all of your posts, i find you stand in Allah alone, except that your saying good and evil also created by Allah. in that i slightly differ, good from Allah blessed and the bad from my rejection, allowed by Allah not blessed by Him. man's invention and creation which brings destruction, evil, hardship, pain, etc., are his rejection / shirk to the One God. i bring one of the verse as a source for my this understanding
2.26 - .....With this He sends many astray; and guides many in the straight path; yet, except the evil ones He shall not let go astray.
our criterion helps in identifying the signs of good and the evil to choose. our today's situation is the result of our choosing in the past. what we choose today is going to be our future; good or bad.
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5.51 - O Believers, ... Certainly Allah guides not the evildoers.
9.24 - Say .......then await a command from Allah; and Allah guides not the sinners.
in this two verse Allah guides that He will not guide the evildoers/sinners. what i understand from it evildoing or sinning is my rejection/ shirk of God. so when i reject, i shirk God. then i'm not guided by Him but He only allows me in my defiant rejection. it does not mean God blessed the evil, He brings chances for me to mend else i have to meet the end - hell fire.
freedomstands, in all of your posts, i find you stand in Allah alone, except that your saying good and evil also created by Allah. in that i slightly differ, good from Allah blessed and the bad from my rejection, allowed by Allah not blessed by Him. man's invention and creation which brings destruction, evil, hardship, pain, etc., are his rejection / shirk to the One God. i bring one of the verse as a source for my this understanding
2.26 - .....With this He sends many astray; and guides many in the straight path; yet, except the evil ones He shall not let go astray.
our criterion helps in identifying the signs of good and the evil to choose. our today's situation is the result of our choosing in the past. what we choose today is going to be our future; good or bad.
peace
Let us see if we can bring our difference to 0 so that we are in line with one another.
When one says "it is from me" they are basically saying a few things
"I have the power to alter what happens, thus influence God and God follows after me"
"God does not control everything, but relies on another power, which can be called Chance, which means "it can go this way or it can go that way", and thus God is not the Ultimate Determiner, but Chance is, therefor I do not worship God, but Chance, whatever is the Ultimate Determiner"
There is just no way around it, it can not be stated in any other way than what I am saying. If one claims "this thing is not from God in any way" then they are stating the existence of some other source of creation.
The Qur'an itself flatly states "All is from God" ALL, ALL, ALL. It does not say "some" it does not say "most" it says ALL. It says it in reply to people saying "the good is from God, the bad is from yourselves" then it says "ALL IS FROM GOD" and says "WHAT IS WITH YOU THAT YOU CAN'T GRASP IT?" and then repeats "THE GOOD FROM GOD, THE BAD FROM YOURSELVES". It did not just contradict itself one verse later, it said basically that silly people say "the good is from God, the evil is from yourself" and then said to reply to that "ALL IS FROM GOD" then said "THE GOOD FROM GOD, THE BAD FROM YOU" meaning "ALL is from GOD, the GOOD FROM GOD is from God, the Bad from you is from God".
The Qur'an makes this clear in other verses which I have shown elsewhere and even above. "Any evil that befalls you, in yourselves" is decreed and "brought into existence" by God alone.
Then it says all harm is from God alone.
Then it says you can't even will anything except God wills it.
Then it says they wouldn't do evil, except that God wills them to do it.
Then it says God chooses for guidance whoever, and misguides whoever.
Then it says God created for hell many, created them deaf, dumb, and blind so they can not comprehend anything.
God is not "condition based" is not being "driven" by us, but "driving" us.
God repeatedly says "controls everything" "created everything"
Everything means Everything, not "some things" not "most things" but ALL things, that includes EVERYTHING from your thoughts to your deeds and actions and even your will and desires which is stated explicitly, even in the Bible and other scriptures from around the world besides the Qur'an which states it also repeatedly.
There is just no way around it. It is also Scientific, it is also Common Sense, it is also Logical and the only possible conclusion. There are no other possibilities, because no matter what you will be doing shirk otherwise, you will be attributing things falsely, you will be making God a slave rather than a Master, you'll be making another Master like "Chance", and I worship only the ULTIMATE nothing LESSER, nothing that LOOKS TO OTHERS. The Qur'an says God determines and chooses everything, "no choice had they" no choice whatsoever. If God wants to destroy anyone, it will be Be, if God wants to make an evildoer, it will be.
The Qur'an says God sets up the enemies, God sends the devils and shaitans of human and jinnkind, God does it all, from the carrying of the birds, to the breathing and heartbeat and growth of mankind to the kindling of the fire to the thunder and the sneeze and the fart.
God even takes credit for the "laughter and tears" when it says "He alone causes you to laugh and to weep".
There is no way around it. No matter which way one looks it comes around again, either through Science, Common Sense, Logic, Scripture, or anything else.
We are bound slaves, we are clay vessels, we are animated action figures that God is driving forth wherever God wants.
If you had a choice about ANYTHING it would alter everything everywhere, because even where you STEP is precise, and that moment you have killed a certain insect, and been delayed a certain moment, so that ten days later a car did not hit you had you stepped any sooner or later.
God even says that you will be walked to the place of your death and will die there exactly at the precise moment, it is all determined and measured, there is no altering the course whatsoever.
We're left helpless before the overriding power of God, and those who are made grateful will be grateful and worship and may be saved, but even that God can do anything at all, is bound by nothing at all, totally free, thus can destroy Jesus and his mother as it is claimed in the Qur'an, not bound by any "partners" like how the old polytheists used to name the partners things like "Love" "Justice" or anything else, God creates those concepts, rules them, implants them, changes them, destroys them freely. God is the only Free Will, the only unconditioned Power, there is no power.
All the "names" of God are factual statements. It is not that God is The Great because of our statement of approval, it is that NOTHING has any power or status but GOD. It is Absolute. Again, God alone has the information to literally know and experience accurately the suffering of anyone, literal Compassion which we can not ever have because if we experienced what another experiences, we would BE encompassing that person, and we do not have access to that experience. God is literally the only Judge, literally the only Decider, literally all those names, they are factual logical statements.
So make your religion 0 deviation from these statements, and you'll have 0 shirk in it.
This is because when someone says "I choose"
They are not only defying the statements of the Qur'an which say you never choose, and can not even will anything, and can not even be pure or save yourself in any way, and have no strength or power even to wake up or exist or move except that Allah is doing it all, and not at your command, but you're doing it at the command of Allah, but they are also defying logic and not paying attention to the implications of what they are saying.
If you choose anything, you are then the decider of the bug that gets crushed under your feet, and if it is not you, and it is not God, then it is "Chance" if "it could go this way, or it could go that way" and so then "Chance" is the Ultimate, and then whatever is being called "God" is nothing to worship and is not the determiner at all, but leaves things up to another power, and looks to another power for answers. We worship the Ultimate, we direct our prayers to the Ultimate, not to any lesser concept.
Yes, in the immediate sense, it appears to you and people that we decide this or that, but this is not actually what is happening. In a very atheistic scientific sense, all our decisions are "conditional" they are based on a domino effect of "causation" and prior conditions that are all created by God.
In the actual sense, God is directly generating all the information deliberately, nothing is left to "chance" in either form though, it is God then who is "chance" and "free will" and there is no other power or other God whatsoever.
So all shirk must be eliminated. Even at the expense of ideas of justice or whatever might be keeping people from speaking the truth.
God is the source of everything, the creator of everything, there can be NOTHING except if God makes it so, and God wills it.
Otherwise a person is saying "it has slipped out of God's grasp, it is not in God's control, there is another power running things, either me, or whatever else, and God is not doing it, but there are others that do, and act of their own accord, and God only runs after them and supports what they are doing, like a slave runs after a master to put a seat under them".
Blasphemy. Shun it. Abolish it. Make your religion like mine, make 0 deviation between it from the "little deviation" you mentioned, that is just the "little" bit of "shirk" or "sharing" that needs to be eliminated. You will feel the Surrender then perhaps even more, and the Fear of God who can turn any of us into fools and shirk maniacs in an instant, just as God can turn people into apes and pigs or anything else, and adds to or transforms the creation. God does so freely, not based on any merit, not based on any power of anyone, but God did the good deeds, God did the actions, God made them pray or not, God did it all from the start, all credit goes to God, "All is from God" ALL, the GOOD, the BAD, and the UGLY.
There is no other creator, there is no other power, there is no other will, there is no other actor, there is no other mover, there is no other, there is no other, there is no other.
Make yourself a shirk free robot/slave (robot comes from a word apparently that means slave).
Be the Zombie of Nzambi, knowingly, because you are "willingly or unwillingly" which the Qur'an says.
Be the Fettered One of Regnator Omnium Deus, knowingly, because you are "willingly or unwillingly" which the Qur'an says.
It is the arrogant fools, the ones God has deceived, as only God can deceive or guide, who are "shown" because of their dullness, the fetters around their necks, because they believed they were free to do as they please, while it was God who "led them, step by step" to their destruction.
We are fettered too, bound slaves, chained to whatever God wills for us good or bad, except God has been so kind as to at least inform some of us of our state, and our state, and the state of all things is Eternal Surrender. There is no other way, there is never Freedom from God, there is never another will, if God pulls out the puppeteering hold over us, we fall down dead and limp or cease to exist, we have no existence, we are nothing, we are empty, we are only what God tells us "Know, you know not". If God tells you that you're a Japanese man in 1950, you will be a Japanese man in 1950.
God can make it true that you have a staff in your hand, then can make it false that there is a staff and make it true that there is a snake, then make it false that there is a snake, and true that there is a staff. Total control over "information" and "information" is all we ever are.
God determines the "truth" and the "lies" and can switch them and is constantly rendering things false and other things true. For example, it appears "a moment ago I was saying this" but now it it false that "I am stating this" as I am stating some other thing now, and by this creation and destruction we operate and live.
God is the Supreme Ultimate, there is no other power, there is no other power, there is no other God, there is no other chooser, there is nothing but God alone that can act, we only exist for now because God wills it, and we have no means by which to save ourselves from God, we are in desperate need of God in order to exist and succeed, and God can destroy us freely, Fear God as God is meant to be Feared, there is no other Terror upon us, there is no other Hope. There is no where to Flee, We Surrender, We Surrender, We Surrender.
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If Truth/Reality had followed their whims, Heaven and Earth would have collapsed in chaos, along with anyone who is in them. Rather We have brought them their Reminder, yet they keep avoiding their Reminder.Even ONE STEP out of place, would change everything, see the "Butterfly effect" on wikipedia and how the tiniest change can have massive implications.
So it can only be like this
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Vgv2wej8w
There is just no way around it whatsoever without lying, shirk, ill logic, and ruin.
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Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your own technologies have wrought upon you.
This topic is concerning life and death with the modern technologies, with the inventions in medicines and the astuteness of the highly skilled specialised doctors as against the dictum of Allah.
I think I am doing the best not only to the elderly people but the youngest ones too. I was only quoting of the Sign 12/96 from the Signs of Quran.
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Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, ?All are from Allah." So what is with those people that they can hardly understand any hadith?Wherever you are, death will overtake you wholesomely or by your bodily parts in bits and pieces which means you cannot protect a person with all human inventions and even if all disciplines of specialists gathered together. Allah predestines everything that happens on the earth or in you before it comes to pass 57/22; Allah awaits a period of time, with you, showing you His Signs after Signs 46/27 to make you return soulfully unto His refuge alone, which period of time 29/53, and the place 3/154 and the Hour appointed to each of us 35/45 is hidden to us. He watches you keenly over all that you do 5/71; 57/4 - either against His pleasure or to His Pleasure.
Allah warns if he touches you with afflictions none can dispel it but He 6/17, & 10/107; and in the same verse His glad tiding is if he gives you the good none can avert it. Only the pride of whatever each possesses as his knowledge turns him away from and against Allah; he fails to remember Allah as he increases in his waxing, whereupon Allah joins him in close companionship 43/36; 58/19 with a like minded shaitan and he becomes his closest guardian; and the companion makes all his inventive technologies 41/25 of the past and the future look beautiful to him; such are the losers forever; it is not their eyes that are blind but it is the hearts in their bosoms that are blind 22/46.
Here are certain eye conditions where the technologically oriented doctors cannot dispel an affliction.
common blepharitis, lagophthalmos, blepharochalasis, ptosis, scleritis, glaucoma, band keratopathy, macular edema, uveitis, retinitis pigmentosa, retinoblastoma, chorioretinitis, retinoschisis , retinopathies of every sort, macular degeneration, disorders of the optic nerves, disorders of the ocular muscles, myasthenia and the list goes on endlessly.
Allah reveals us about all the prophets so that our Iman is strengthened in Him. It is well stated in the ayat 11/120 for all of us to follow. And in accordance with this ayat, if we stand by the prophets Yusuf, and Yaqub and follow them we shall not have diseases of sight and vision; there are no diseases in the eyes, but in your hearts, there is 2/10; let Allah not increase these disorders by increasing the diseases in our hearts and thereby in our community because of our rebellion to 6/17 and 10/107.
If you read 479, Allah speaks clearly to us Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your hands have wrought upon you. Your health is from Allah and our diseases are due to the illness in the heart of hearts committing shirk. Allah knows what we hide in our bosoms and what we openly do.
Of course you speak from Quran, but I want you to answer sticking to the topic, please freedomstands. The eye diseases in quran and the ayats that say that the eyes are to be cured by the fire technology of the jinns; there are lots of verses about the eyesights in Quran which I hoped you would come up with; but unfortunately all your shipments have failed to deliver the good I asked for.
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The Qur'an says "All is from God".
In ancient times they had less options and solutions for helping people with certain medical problems, today they have more, and if God so wills, in the future they may have solutions to other medical problems.
God provides the knowledge and the technology, is the inventor of "All".
Those things you called "flooding ayats" earlier were meant to demonstrate how God created all, I recommend you look at what I've been writing here to you and in the other posts as well.
If you say that not all is from God but there are other creators or sources of creation or powers that can act and create, you are performing shirk, and the Qur'an seems to say the curse of Allah is on those who perform shirk.
452 Such are those whom Allah has cursed! You will not find any helper for the one cursed by Allah.
453 Do they have a share in the kingdom (of Allah)? Had it been so, they would not have granted people even a speck on a date-stone.Medical solutions have assisted many people in improving their conditions and life, and this help is from God, there is no other source of power, technology, knowledge, experience, information, insight, action, or anything else.
Anyone who says there are other sources and that "God did not create everything, only some things, while there were other creators of things that God did not create" then you are performing shirk plainly, and according to the Qur'an are totally cursed by Allah.
There are no ways around it really. Allah is the creator of everything, even if a jinn thinks of something, or a human, it is Allah behind all of it, creating all of that, putting them into action.
The harm and the benefit is from God alone, not from yourself, nothing is from yourself, even what you deem as being from yourself, the Qur'an says about that "All is from God", it does not follow that sentence by contradicting itself immediately and saying "All is from God, but not All, just some", so please cease and desist if that is what you're suggesting.
You either stop performing shirk, or you continue performing shirk. Those are the options. If you stop performing shirk, that will be better for you. You can continue to disregard the technologies invented by God to help humanity, where before they had been in even more difficulty regarding a great deal of medical issues, but to say that "God did not create everything" is absolute shirk, and that is where the problem is.
Those "flooding ayats" were to assist you in seeing what the Qur'an says.
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Let us see if we can bring our difference to 0 so that we are in line with one another
yes, all is from Allah. this 'all' i understand is good and bad. in this all, i want only good (is there anyone out there who wants bad for himself) and so i want to differentiate good from bad because good and bad is created by Allah to give us our due - to get good obey Allah; obey not, all bad befall us.
i think you say that i cannot ask for good because it is Allah who decide good or bad for me. this is here i differ; i choose good by accepting Allah. if you say i cannot choose, i differ and i seek Allah's help to choose good.
in the context of the topic, i choose Allah instead of a doctor/medicine-man to cure me and i pray Him, "do not let us to a situation that we shirk, forgive us and purify us". what is your take - choose.
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yes, all is from Allah. this 'all' i understand is good and bad. in this all, i want only good (is there anyone out there who wants bad for himself) and so i want to differentiate good from bad because good and bad is created by Allah to give us our due - to get good obey Allah; obey not, all bad befall us.
i think you say that i cannot ask for good because it is Allah who decide good or bad for me. this is here i differ; i choose good by accepting Allah. if you say i cannot choose, i differ and i seek Allah's help to choose good.
in the context of the topic, i choose Allah instead of a doctor/medicine-man to cure me and i pray Him, "do not let us to a situation that we shirk, forgive us and purify us". what is your take - choose.
Sounds almost fine to me. You said good and bad is from Allah, including everything, that is true. There is no other source of anything nor executor of any affairs. I am not suggesting we can't pray, but that whatever it is we pray or don't pray, that is ultimately from Allah. Basically it changes nothing much in our actions except if we are allowed to understand this or not, so it is basically irrelevant even though it is important to acknowledge, but I am not suggesting that there is no praying or asking for good or seeking good, if you seek good that is ultimately from Allah, if you don't seek good that is also from Allah, whatever you do is the will of Allah, it may be good for you, it may be bad for you.
Your not seeking medical assistance is also from Allah, it may be in your favor, it may not be in your favor, Allah knows, we do not know if it is in your favor or not. Allah may be guiding you, or may be leading you into harm. Whatever it is, your will, your desires, are all from Allah. If you choose to do this or choose to do that, it is only Allah who is actually choosing if you do this or if you do that.
So in our immediate circumstances, it appears we have a choice, so we should always choose the most beneficial options and judge carefully and wisely, but the Ultimate truth is that whatever it is that comes to our minds specifically is from God, we didn't create it, and we may be misled or harmed by what God makes happen, and God makes everything that happens, happen.
It is not shirk to accept medical services, just like it is not shirk to accept food from restaurant, or to allow someone to mend a tool or repair a shoe. Medicine is just a tool that can assist some people. Sometimes people have infections and anti-bacterial substances can kill the infection in order to help the body defend itself, and it is Allah who has taught people these things and given them this opportunity.
Allah can heal you miraculously too, and even medical technology and all things in existence can be considered miracles of Allah, but this specification is reminiscent of those who asked Jesus to bring down a tablespread from the sky in order to feed them, to which Allah replied that if they disbelieve after this point, they will be punished like no others. Similarly, the Jews were considered evil for their requests of onions while being provided Manna.
One should pray for healing, but that doesn't mean one should reject the medicine that comes, if that is what God intends to heal the person with. Just like God intended to put Noah in a boat and made him build one. Noah could've said "no! I want you to lift me up over the water, I will not depend on a boat!" and God could have drowned him.
So why is it that these people are demanding a very specific way that they should be healed while rejecting the technologies of Allah that have helped so many people?
Meanwhile, you're even using technologies like that constantly, even the computer.
The doctor is not the healer, it is Allah healing you, but the doctors sometimes by Allah's will and command and knowledge know certain methods now which can treat certain ailments, which if not treated properly can lead to harm and trouble for people.
"No! I want God to heal me in a certain way, not with medicines!" What is this stubborn issue? "If my hand gets cut off, I will not have it sown back on! I want God to make it fly up and re attach to my hand! I demand it be so! I will pray for that, and will accept no other method of help from God!"
Do you see?
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The Qur'an says "All is from God".
4.79 What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, is from yourself. And We have sent you, to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.
Please explain. Let us go slow.
All is from God? Or only Good is from God? And is not bad only from you? -
In ancient times they had less options and solutions for helping people with certain medical problems, today they have more, and if God so wills, in the future they may have solutions to other medical problems.
Allah made to suffer all ancient people with no options other than Allah? Today Allah has helped you with more and more options other than Allah? And tomorrow Allah will give almost every options to seek from other than Allah for a beautiful life? This is what you want to promote by Allah and through His Guidance, The Luminescent Book?
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God provides the knowledge and the technology, is the inventor of "All".
I have never seen such an Attribute for God, The Inventor, but seen Him As the Originator, The Creator. Please show where is this Name for Allah as The Inventor?
If you say that not all is from God but there are other creators or sources of creation or powers that can act and create, you are performing shirk, and the Qur'an seems to say the curse of Allah is on those who perform shirk.
God's decree is that if you follow Allah you will receive goodly reward from Allah; Allah rewards you when He is pleased with your obedience; so all good is from Allah. And if you disobey Allah, then God's decree is that you will be made to undergo punishment by way of afflictions from Him; and you will not avert it; no medication, no doctors could help you; and it is happening to day all patients die ultimately in the hospital committing shirk; and so in this manner the bad is from Allah as a punishment for your shirky disobedience.
The under quoted ayats are a misplaced ones, given the context.
452 Such are those whom Allah has cursed! You will not find any helper for the one cursed by Allah.
453 Do they have a share in the kingdom (of Allah)? Had it been so, they would not have granted people even a speck on a date-stone.Medical solutions have assisted many people in improving their conditions and life, and this help is from God, there is no other source of power, technology, knowledge, experience, information, insight, action, or anything else.
Living on medications and added adverse effects upon the existing diseases with poisoned bodily system is improvement in the condition of their lives? Weird stuff, isn't it?
Anyone who says there are other sources and that "God did not create everything, only some things, while there were other creators of things that God did not create" then you are performing shirk plainly, and according to the Qur'an are totally cursed by Allah.
Look up to other sources for cure from illnesses other than Allah is surely shirk; I endorse it.
There are no ways around it really. Allah is the creator of everything
Yes, Allah is not the destructor of man, but the man is. Man is unjust, wrongdoer, vilely, atrocious while God is Rahman and Rahim.
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Salaam drfazl,
He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.
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Your not seeking medical assistance is also from Allah, it may be in your favor, it may not be in your favor, Allah knows, we do not know if it is in your favor or not. Allah may be guiding you, or may be leading you into harm. Whatever it is, your will, your desires, are all from Allah. If you choose to do this or choose to do that, it is only Allah who is actually choosing if you do this or if you do that.i see like this if we pray/ask Allah for healing, it is a favour from my God who is the Healer. I believe in His Power of Healing, His forgiveness and His All-Mighty. ask Him His Guidance believing He will guide me to good. whereas you say He may or guide me into harm? how will it fit Allah, be Allah when He do not understand my prayer / need for good but He opt bad for me. it will make me leave Allah if i know my prayer is useless and anyway it is He who decide good or bad for me! even though i seek good - path-etic human! i become.
who will desire for bad omen for themselves. everyone will desire them only good. this shows only good desire comes from Allah. if we reject, His desire loses His protection and turns to be bad to the rejecter. this is how bad influences a person i understand.
It is not shirk to accept medical services, just like it is not shirk to accept food from restaurant, or to allow someone to mend a tool or repair a shoe. Medicine is just a tool that can assist some people. Sometimes people have infections and anti-bacterial substances can kill the infection in order to help the body defend itself, and it is Allah who has taught people these things and given them this opportunity.
you yourself say medicine is a tool to assist only some people. sometimes people may have infections due to anti-bacterial substances that can kill them. it is Allah who designed some shirking people get killed by their shirk of medical services. you may not be one of the shirking men, because you see it only a tool. it is Allah who taught these people these things and gave them this opportunity. certainly i can allow someone to mend my shoe not my toe.
So why is it that these people are demanding a very specific way that they should be healed while rejecting the technologies of Allah that have helped so many people?
asking Allah to heal us, is it specific or by a technology is specific, decide.
Meanwhile, you're even using technologies like that constantly, even the computer.
i do not shirk technology and consider me and my computer the same. can put the computer into service spare parts avbl.
The doctor is not the healer, it is Allah healing you, but the doctors sometimes by Allah's will and command and knowledge know certain methods now which can treat certain ailments, which if not treated properly can lead to harm and trouble for people.
FS. can you see how you phrased the sentence above - but, sometimes, certain methods, certain ailments, not treated properly, lead harm, trouble people. you can not say it firm because your Allah Alone stand is preventing it. i.e., the good from Allah preventing you from your bad shirk in technology.
"No! I want God to heal me in a certain way, not with medicines!" What is this stubborn issue? "If my hand gets cut off, I will not have it sown back on! I want God to make it fly up and re attach to my hand! I demand it be so! I will pray for that, and will accept no other method of help from God!"
Do you see?
the way you quote above, may be from a person who do not follow Allah, His end, His angels, His scriptures and His messengers.
i see to pray Allah do not put me in a situation so that the rejecters mock at me. i believe Allah will not allow His bondsmen to a grave situation unwanted. let them bring a situation, by their desire, they have technologies for good, they can help, they think it is from Allah.
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Salaam drfazl,
He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.
lol if it isn't that way, then who else is the "doer"? Ultimately, the fact that God is doing it all, changes nothing about what is done or what we do really. Which makes it even funnier than no one can swallow this simple pointless fact that is meant to eliminate the shirk tendency in people. It is mainly just to watch people try to dance around it.
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Salaam drfazl,
He is obsessed with this "God is the doer of everything" passages to the extent of over - applying it ignoring other information possible to extract from it, in my opinion.
Also, using this attempt to talk about how I'm "obsessed" when these people are telling people to reject medical technologies and help? Are you sure you're doing the right thing? What does it matter though, you're best pals with Sustainer, so it probably doesn't matter much that you're choosing this opportune moment to talk about my "obsession" while these people are basically trying to tell people to die and reject medical technology.
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4.79 What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, is from yourself. And We have sent you, to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.
Please explain. Let us go slow.
All is from God? Or only Good is from God? And is not bad only from you?Read the verse right behind that one and tell if it just contradicted itself immediately after it made the statement "All is from God".
The answer is "All is from God", the good that is from God is from God, the evil that you deem to be from yourselves is from God too, that is what ALL IS FROM GOD means. Go ahead and read it carefully, and stop the shirk and blasphemy.
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Allah made to suffer all ancient people with no options other than Allah? Today Allah has helped you with more and more options other than Allah? And tomorrow Allah will give almost every options to seek from other than Allah for a beautiful life? This is what you want to promote by Allah and through His Guidance, The Luminescent Book?
There is no "other than Allah" which is the point I've been repeating repeatedly, ALL IS FROM GOD. You're telling people to reject the gifts of Allah. Allah took credit for the chainmail armor, the ships, the iron crafting, all sorts of things, All is from God, these are not from other sources because there are no other sources.
Argue you all you want, add some more shirk to your book.