If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Then why did you use the english words "just like that!" like EXPERIENCE = CREATION.
For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously.
With regard to the following quote, I have some serious questions for you because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah. Yet, first make use of your language skill to clear basic things without confusing yourselves. Please stick to the point, without deviating while answering with just only one ayat to support your claim.
Sorry, you're losing me with your poor English again.
Are you suggesting that God does not create consciously and deliberately?
I'd like you to say so, if that is what you believe, I'd like you to state it. I want you to blasphemy as much as possible so that we can feel satisfied about your future residence.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make (as usual, with your awkward English talents), with Creation = Experience. When I say the word "information" I am meaning what we experience. What we experience is what I'm calling "information", it can be called "creation" too, what God creates. If you can't grasp this properly, just let it go and ignore it, I can't keep explaining the same things over and over again to you, it is terribly annoying and generally makes me wish for your demise even sooner.
"For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously."
Maybe you should take those "endless questions" and put them back into the dark place from which they came? I mean the place doctors might refer to with certain terminology.
We do not know what is in the "mind of God", just as Jesus answered God in the Qur'an, but we are not one to say that God does anything "unconsciously" or "on accident" like how you might fart out questions, thinking you're going to catch me out or something while you're just chaining your neck even tighter like the genius you are.
Let me remind you, out of all people on this website, I find you the most evil and despicable of them all. I very strongly dislike you, in fact it could be said I hate your guts.
You add to that hatred with your further disgusting implications and blasphemies.
If God does not create consciously, then it means it is left to an "unconscious system out of God's control", which means that something else is running that system and is its creator, there can not be an unconscious or accidental act for the Ultimate because there are no conditions ruling over the Ultimate or pre-existing with the Ultimate (there is no shirk, by definition).
If this is too hard for you to grasp, then ignore it, but don't keep annoying me with your questions that you might imagine are so great.
Honestly, asking you to please shut up is a mercy, compared to blasphemous implications constantly.
Where do you get off saying "because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah."
You're the one who is apparently suggesting God does not do things consciously or deliberately, a tremendous blasphemy if you understood the implications of what you are saying, and nothing I have said is "against Allah" at all. Stop making false accusations, and get lost, even further than you are. Remember, I hate you, and I hate anyone that is like you. You are disgusting to me, and evil. Anyone who is your friend or supporter is also a fool and enemy to themselves.
Is that clear enough for you?
Go ahead and speak clearly and utter your blasphemies. Say it, say that you think that God does not do things consciously or deliberately, that the creation was not made on purpose and that these things are just unconscious activities running by some other power. Go ahead, if you understood anything at all about your implications.
Don't ask me stupid questions and trying to pretend you have even a drop of knowledge. I hope you enjoy the fire you think you are safe from, I have no guarantees that I won't be with you in hell too, which should make it more of a hell for both of us, unless you enjoy asking me stupid questions eternally, just as I'll enjoy doing what I do to you if we meet up in the fire.
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Sorry, you're losing me with your poor English again.
Are you suggesting that God does not create consciously and deliberately?
I'd like you to say so, if that is what you believe, I'd like you to state it. I want you to blasphemy as much as possible so that we can feel satisfied about your future residence.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make (as usual, with your awkward English talents), with Creation = Experience. When I say the word "information" I am meaning what we experience. What we experience is what I'm calling "information", it can be called "creation" too, what God creates. If you can't grasp this properly, just let it go and ignore it, I can't keep explaining the same things over and over again to you, it is terribly annoying and generally makes me wish for your demise even sooner.
"For example, God did create, hell deliberately and consciously? Can you tell me what are all the careful and conscious considerations taken by the God, before deciding on the creation of hell? And what are the considerations taken by the God for picking up jinn and men alone for hell, of all of His creations? I have endless questions to pose to you; before that I want an answer from you for the questions above, since you had asserted God creates deliberately and consciously."
Maybe you should take those "endless questions" and put them back into the dark place from which they came? I mean the place doctors might refer to with certain terminology.
We do not know what is in the "mind of God", just as Jesus answered God in the Qur'an, but we are not one to say that God does anything "unconsciously" or "on accident" like how you might fart out questions, thinking you're going to catch me out or something while you're just chaining your neck even tighter like the genius you are.
Let me remind you, out of all people on this website, I find you the most evil and despicable of them all. I very strongly dislike you, in fact it could be said I hate your guts.
You add to that hatred with your further disgusting implications and blasphemies.
If God does not create consciously, then it means it is left to an "unconscious system out of God's control", which means that something else is running that system and is its creator, there can not be an unconscious or accidental act for the Ultimate because there are no conditions ruling over the Ultimate or pre-existing with the Ultimate (there is no shirk, by definition).
If this is too hard for you to grasp, then ignore it, but don't keep annoying me with your questions that you might imagine are so great.
Honestly, asking you to please shut up is a mercy, compared to blasphemous implications constantly.
Where do you get off saying "because all your statements hereunder are deliberately posted by you, against Allah."
You're the one who is apparently suggesting God does not do things consciously or deliberately, a tremendous blasphemy if you understood the implications of what you are saying, and nothing I have said is "against Allah" at all. Stop making false accusations, and get lost, even further than you are. Remember, I hate you, and I hate anyone that is like you. You are disgusting to me, and evil. Anyone who is your friend or supporter is also a fool and enemy to themselves.
Is that clear enough for you?
Go ahead and speak clearly and utter your blasphemies. Say it, say that you think that God does not do things consciously or deliberately, that the creation was not made on purpose and that these things are just unconscious activities running by some other power. Go ahead, if you understood anything at all about your implications.
Don't ask me stupid questions and trying to pretend you have even a drop of knowledge. I hope you enjoy the fire you think you are safe from, I have no guarantees that I won't be with you in hell too, which should make it more of a hell for both of us, unless you enjoy asking me stupid questions eternally, just as I'll enjoy doing what I do to you if we meet up in the fire.
You cannot be humble or patient before Allah but by Allah's leave; you are not the judger but Allah is; you have destined me to hell while such judgment is with Allah; you have gone beyond all the limits of Allah for which you may seek forgiveness sooner, now! I do not want to discuss about Allah while He is Almighty; May He forgive me for having gone this far with you; and you have thundered in the last post, mindlessly, without fear for Allah. I am quit of you for good. My last word I have no hatred for you at all! Many many salaams to you.
13.13 And the thunder praises His Glory and the angels too, for fear of Him; and He sends down thunderbolts by which He strikes whom He wills; they dispute about Allah while He is All Mighty.
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A L R@ - These are the Signs of the Book, clear. And it is the Truth revealed to you from your God; yet most of mankind do not believe.
@ A L R are the Signs of the Clear Book; ?A? denotes Allah which means the God of the heavens and the earth and everything in between who can be felt only by one?s conscience and who cannot be materially felt by man?s five materialistic senses; and ?L? denotes ?Latif? which means the Most Subtle and ?R? denotes ?Ru?ya? - the vision we have in our insight. Therefore the meaning of ALR is ?The Clear Vision you have as your Insight is, the Most Subtle Wisdom that Allah alone can create for you, as your life?s establishment. And these are the Signs of the Book, clear.
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You cannot be humble or patient before Allah but by Allah's leave; you are not the judger but Allah is; you have destined me to hell while such judgment is with Allah; you have gone beyond all the limits of Allah for which you may seek forgiveness sooner, now! I do not want to discuss about Allah while He is Almighty; May He forgive me for having gone this far with you; and you have thundered in the last post, mindlessly, without fear for Allah. I am quit of you for good. My last word I have no hatred for you at all! Many many salaams to you.
13.13 And the thunder praises His Glory and the angels too, for fear of Him; and He sends down thunderbolts by which He strikes whom He wills; they dispute about Allah while He is All Mighty.
Why don't you read anything carefully? I have not destined you to hell or even said you'll be going to hell. I said that you and I may both meet in hell, that is not a certain thing. We may both meet in paradise, or you may see me in hell. Read carefully.
Yeah, I thundered, and the thunder praises His Glory, and does not dispute, saying that God leaves things to Chance.
Read this too if you care to. You probably won't though. I dare you to read it though. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598457.msg372203#msg372203
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Salaam brother,
I agree with you completely on this handshake
May Allah shower His blessings upon you and your family prTo add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today. Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? brickwall
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanBrother mmkhan, salam
Who you will see rushing to doctors are those who could not believe in Allah, more so when it comes to between life and death; they care not Allah's call to them warning them there is no God besides He and let not the deceiver deceive you about Allah. If a muslim cannot believe only in Allah even at a stage, i.e., in the final stages when the situation is deathward, in what else would he be a believer? A strange paradox of one who claims him to be a mumin, indeed!
No doctor knows about the life-force except Allah, the creator of all living beings with life-force. And He alone is the Guide for the life force until the end of life span of each, when the life is captured. Unbelievable this, that they think one who doctors or corrupts the life force can rejuvenate and save the life force.
And Allah says if they turn to Him for life after the doctors have done away with them, then their prayers will not be accepted 40/85 on any account, for their accounts with Allah has already been closed and sealed. We have to fear Allah and guard against the doctors who deceive making us believe they are saviours; but for a very few, most are weak in their belief or iman. They fear loss of their lives; but it has been mentioned in 2/155 that it is bound to happen at some point in the life of every individual which none can escape.
They say Allah had given the gift of medical knowledge to the doctors to create, sustain and save the life force while they know well such gift is not given.
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Brother mmkhan, salam
Who you will see rushing to doctors are those who could not believe in Allah, more so when it comes to between life and death; they care not Allah's call to them warning them there is no God besides He and let not the deceiver deceive you about Allah. If a muslim cannot believe only in Allah even at a stage, i.e., in the final stages when the situation is deathward, in what else would he be a believer? A strange paradox of one who claims him to be a mumin, indeed!
No doctor knows about the life-force except Allah, the creator of all living beings with life-force. And He alone is the Guide for the life force until the end of life span of each, when the life is captured. Unbelievable this, that they think one who doctors or corrupts the life force can rejuvenate and save the life force.
And Allah says if they turn to Him for life after the doctors have done away with them, then their prayers will not be accepted 40/85 on any account, for their accounts with Allah has already been closed and sealed. We have to fear Allah and guard against the doctors who deceive making us believe they are saviours; but for a very few, most are weak in their belief or iman. They fear loss of their lives; but it has been mentioned in 2/155 that it is bound to happen at some point in the life of every individual which none can escape.
They say Allah had given the gift of medical knowledge to the doctors to create, sustain and save the life force while they know well such gift is not given.
Why did Noah build a boat. Why did Muhammed fight in wars? Why did Yusuf go to a prison? What is with you man? Going to a hospital is not haram. Why didn't the people just sit there and let the disease of oppression grow in them and wait for some miracle of their preference instead? They had to fight. Noah had to build a boat, why didn't he just sit there and be made to fly instead? Why didn't Yusuf just go fly off somewhere, instead of being restrained in a physical building of a prison?
Why were people instructed to fight rather than saying oh not, just sit back and wait for things to solve themselves? Huh?
Do you know why you make me angry (one of the many reasons)? You are telling people to die, and saying they have no faith if they take action to help themselves. Why do you eat food man? What do you need food for, is it because you're faithless and so you do "shirk" and eat food? What do you need to eat food for at all? The same goes with medicine, you eat food when you're hungry but don't take medicine when you're sick? Why do you eat then. Is it because you know what will happen if you stop eating? Is that your lack of faith? Do you think that if you stop eating forever, you will starve? Is that faithlessness on your part?
Don't go around telling people to die with your sick advice. It is demented and evil. If people need medicine or surgery to help them, they should take it and not have a disgusting enemy like you telling them to die. Go starve yourself to death then, faithless one, why do you eat food?
Why do you use electricity? It is a "fire technology". You hypocrite. You're just a joke, get lost. You're the most dangerous person on this website because of your sick ideas and promotion, and anyone who supports you is a sick person too. Yeah, it is you who is sick and spreading sickness too, telling people not to take medicine if they need it. That is CRIMINAL. Do any of the mad fools on this website UNDERSTAND that it is CRIMINAL to tell people to die like that and not to fight disease. YOU HAVE TO FIGHT WARS, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT DISEASE, stop spreading disease, you plague spreading monster. Yes, I have every right to call you that, look at what you're doing. STOP IT.
You should be reported on top of it because you're genuinely promoting that people should die and that disease should be spread rather than contained and quelled. You are unbelievably sick minded, get off the internet and stop using "fire technology" and go live in a cave and stop eating and just eat your imagination and stop working to harm people.
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Brother mmkhan, salam
Who you will see rushing to doctors are those who could not believe in Allah, more so when it comes to between life and death; they care not Allah's call to them warning them there is no God besides He and let not the deceiver deceive you about Allah. If a muslim cannot believe only in Allah even at a stage, i.e., in the final stages when the situation is deathward, in what else would he be a believer? A strange paradox of one who claims him to be a mumin, indeed!
No doctor knows about the life-force except Allah, the creator of all living beings with life-force. And He alone is the Guide for the life force until the end of life span of each, when the life is captured. Unbelievable this, that they think one who doctors or corrupts the life force can rejuvenate and save the life force.
And Allah says if they turn to Him for life after the doctors have done away with them, then their prayers will not be accepted 40/85 on any account, for their accounts with Allah has already been closed and sealed. We have to fear Allah and guard against the doctors who deceive making us believe they are saviours; but for a very few, most are weak in their belief or iman. They fear loss of their lives; but it has been mentioned in 2/155 that it is bound to happen at some point in the life of every individual which none can escape.
They say Allah had given the gift of medical knowledge to the doctors to create, sustain and save the life force while they know well such gift is not given.
So by using your logic, AVICENNA IS A KAFIR!
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Hello,
To accuse drfazl of "shirk" is quite farfetched. Drfazl is very close to the Gnostic school of thought, and he has a point in his propagation against medicine, especially modern medicine with artificial drugs not even created by the Rabb. But the underlying idea in this kind of thought is that the physical world should be abstained from and why prolong the life in case it happens that you are blessed with departure except for people who like to live in this world. Jesus rebuked a disciple for saying it is sad that he has to die and to stop him from dieing by saying "begone Satan!" referring to the instinct that wants to cling unto this world. Obviously Jesus was already elevated from his flesh to the extent the execution did not hurt him. Yet after all they did he prayed for them to be forgiven, as he taught others.
If drfazl's "prayer healing" works it is because he and his patient has faith in it. Faith can through the spirit affect the flesh. Jesus said that strong faith can move a mountain.
Strong faith is always better than physical therapy and a person with a good "ascension" to what the Buddhists call Nirvana will naturally be less afflicted by diseases and through that live long lives without even a dose of medicine. It is the indulgence in the world that makes us sick. It is "programmed" that way. The world was meant from the beginning of the test to be abstained from and indulgence punishes itself.
To keep the flesh alive and healthy through eating and drinking is all which is required without overeating. The necessity to eat and drink is a curse which we do not wish to make worse. Same with sex. It is a curse and a trap. It is a pleasant and a strong drive, but is fooling us to like to be the body we are within. Eating good food and sex has a lot in common. People call it extremism, but that is how it is. It is the perfect delusion to refine the very best specimens. The world was not meant to be enjoyed even if it is a great temptation. That temptation is generally called Shaytaan. And by following Shaytaan you show you rather be the animal.
And people make fun of what I teach. I know that and I pity them for not perceiving how lost they are themselves. They await an equal paradise, but that longing shows they like the world. Those acquainted await a release from the flesh and also show they do not like to be the dull body. The flesh for them will not continue and they will not be forced to constantly be cautious of not consuming when they are disconnected from the instinctive human body.
Our lifestyles have cursed ourselves. If we did not consume so much sugar we would not need those fluoride toothpastes. It is an evil circle. Even if you do not intentionally swallow the toothpaste you are affected by it and the mouth has a natural defense against foreign agents. If you ate just the right amounts and no or little sugar (fruit) then it would be okay to just keep the mouth as it is. Once upon a time the only sweetener was honey and at least that is healthy at the same time as sweet.
I stand by drfazl that our habits cause our afflictions. Vaccines can help against diseases, but they often have nasty side-effects and they corrupt the genes Our reliance on medicine even seems to make us more sick, and the diseases get even stronger by evolving to overcome the prevention.
Be well
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That Being said I do not stand by every detail of drfazl's stance on the dynamics of allah. But he is on the right track in terms of abstention.
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So by using your logic, AVICENNA IS A KAFIR!
I do not speak logic here and then start argument over logics of each other; here we have the ayats. I want you to answer me based on 6/17 & 10/107. First write down the two ayats; then explain it or interpret it from your own comprehension; and then deducing from it, answer your question. There is just only one shaytans infested, hell-bound, confirmed kafir here who wants the whole world to die at the hands of the doctors or under their knives. Allah created food for you; never medicines. I say every word here from Quran; surely Allah had never given any gifts to man such as medicines i.e., the poisons but food to stay healthy, free of diseases; and He admonishes man to turn to Him repenting for having committed shirk, turning to doctors for cure from diseases shunning Allah. Avicenna is father of all doctors, that is all the answer to your question.
Get well, by Allah
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by gods help...good answer...maasha allah.
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Salute @drfazl, all
Allah created food for you; never medicines ...
I realize the pharmaceutical/drug industry is treacherous ...
This, however, does not mean "medicine" is not needed! Just their pseudo-cure/s.Personally, I understand/translate QA. nl () as "insects" ,
as this appears to be the intended meaning of the quranic term in question ...Why am I telling you this?
Because, G-D has already provided our (needed) cures inside (as indicated in 16/69).
Cf. haemolymph.This is my cu., G-D is best acquainted.
SLM
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I realize the pharmaceutical/drug industry is treacherous.
This however does not mean "medicine is not needed"!I agree.
I think it's pretty clear that God provides the natural medicine, such as various medicinal plants, honey, essential oils (e.g. olive oil, cajuput oil),
and even it seems there are certain animals that can be consumed as medicine (e.g. golden sea cucumber, antlion larva) or used for therapeutic treatment (e.g. leech, bee).
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I agree.
I think it's pretty clear that God provides the natural medicine, such as various medicinal plants, honey, essential oils (e.g. olive oil, cajuput oil),
and even it seems there are certain animals that can be consumed as medicine (e.g. golden sea cucumber, antlion larva) or used for therapeutic treatment (e.g. leech, bee).
The truth is none of the natural herbs or things what you have mentioned has the ability to cure a single disease of thousands and thousands of fantastic diagnoses of modern medicine. Therefore Allah has not created any curative medicine for any of your diseases but warns us to turn to Him in repentance 6/43 for a disease free life here and bids us to eat of the good foods He has produced for you and to invoke His Name before eating them 6/119.
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@ drfazl
I'm not a fan of the doctor, and praise be to Allah, I don't go to the doctors in a quite long time.
There was time when I got ill, and then I recovered without eating specific medicine, praise be to Allah.
However, there was also time when I felt sick, and then I begged to Allah, and then somehow Allah made me met with the further situation when I felt "pushed" to eat certain medicine (as if Allah wanted me to eat that, that time I didn't even specifically buy that remedy, and also, that time, it was without the intervention of doctor), so, in my opinion, Allah healed me by that way, praise be to Him.
And through that experience, I could learn something. I think Allah taught me that eating the right medicine is not a sin, and because what I want to take is personal lesson from Allah, so I think you are not 100% correct on this issue.
Peace.
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I do not speak logic here and then start argument over logics of each other; here we have the ayats. I want you to answer me based on 6/17 & 10/107. First write down the two ayats; then explain it or interpret it from your own comprehension; and then deducing from it, answer your question. There is just only one shaytans infested, hell-bound, confirmed kafir here who wants the whole world to die at the hands of the doctors or under their knives. Allah created food for you; never medicines. I say every word here from Quran; surely Allah had never given any gifts to man such as medicines i.e., the poisons but food to stay healthy, free of diseases; and He admonishes man to turn to Him repenting for having committed shirk, turning to doctors for cure from diseases shunning Allah. Avicenna is father of all doctors, that is all the answer to your question.
Get well, by Allah
I concur with you to a certain extent.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
I know people with cancer and people who doctors said that their heart functioned less than 30% of the normal rate - they will die anytime, but survived thru this therapy with the grace of ALLAH!
http//ozoneclinic.blogspot.sg/2012/03/what-is-eboo.html
I agree with Bro mmkhan
To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? brickwall
Thank you and you too, get well, insha ALLAH
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I concur with you to a certain extent.
Do you mean you concur with me to a certain extent with regard to the two ayats 6/17 & 10/107. Will you try again and rethink, recite and rethink to ascertain these ozone, oxygen therapists are outright liars.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
O2, O3 combinations do cause terrible effects on liver, brain, kidneys, hormones and heart finally. It is a wonder how people are brainwashed to believe in anything in black and white. Do those who talk about the Oxygen and Ozone know the ingredient gases that finally create O2 and O3? If the doctors know the elements that make O2 or O3 then why do not they create these elements themselves? When they know nothing of these, you may consider this EBOO therapy equivalent to VOODOO therapy.
I know people with cancer and people who doctors said that their heart functioned less than 30% of the normal rate - they will die anytime, but survived thru this therapy with the grace of ALLAH!
Will they die anytime? That too the doctors say 30% of normal rate? But he is living - how? Though the physical heart rate is 30%, the psychological quality of every beat of the heart is 100% efficiently functioning, enough to survive him at his best, is the possible inference, isn?t it? When the doctors say they will die at anytime when their God protected natural life is still surviving them strong, is it not that the opposite of the same i.e., they will bounce back to absolute normalcy anytime, shall have to be expected too?