If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Salute @drfazl, all
Allah created food for you; never medicines ...
I realize the pharmaceutical/drug industry is treacherous ...
This, however, does not mean "medicine" is not needed! Just their pseudo-cure/s.Personally, I understand/translate QA. nl () as "insects" ,
as this appears to be the intended meaning of the quranic term in question ...Why am I telling you this?
Because, G-D has already provided our (needed) cures inside (as indicated in 16/69).
Cf. haemolymph.This is my cu., G-D is best acquainted.
SLM
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I realize the pharmaceutical/drug industry is treacherous.
This however does not mean "medicine is not needed"!I agree.
I think it's pretty clear that God provides the natural medicine, such as various medicinal plants, honey, essential oils (e.g. olive oil, cajuput oil),
and even it seems there are certain animals that can be consumed as medicine (e.g. golden sea cucumber, antlion larva) or used for therapeutic treatment (e.g. leech, bee).
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I agree.
I think it's pretty clear that God provides the natural medicine, such as various medicinal plants, honey, essential oils (e.g. olive oil, cajuput oil),
and even it seems there are certain animals that can be consumed as medicine (e.g. golden sea cucumber, antlion larva) or used for therapeutic treatment (e.g. leech, bee).
The truth is none of the natural herbs or things what you have mentioned has the ability to cure a single disease of thousands and thousands of fantastic diagnoses of modern medicine. Therefore Allah has not created any curative medicine for any of your diseases but warns us to turn to Him in repentance 6/43 for a disease free life here and bids us to eat of the good foods He has produced for you and to invoke His Name before eating them 6/119.
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@ drfazl
I'm not a fan of the doctor, and praise be to Allah, I don't go to the doctors in a quite long time.
There was time when I got ill, and then I recovered without eating specific medicine, praise be to Allah.
However, there was also time when I felt sick, and then I begged to Allah, and then somehow Allah made me met with the further situation when I felt "pushed" to eat certain medicine (as if Allah wanted me to eat that, that time I didn't even specifically buy that remedy, and also, that time, it was without the intervention of doctor), so, in my opinion, Allah healed me by that way, praise be to Him.
And through that experience, I could learn something. I think Allah taught me that eating the right medicine is not a sin, and because what I want to take is personal lesson from Allah, so I think you are not 100% correct on this issue.
Peace.
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I do not speak logic here and then start argument over logics of each other; here we have the ayats. I want you to answer me based on 6/17 & 10/107. First write down the two ayats; then explain it or interpret it from your own comprehension; and then deducing from it, answer your question. There is just only one shaytans infested, hell-bound, confirmed kafir here who wants the whole world to die at the hands of the doctors or under their knives. Allah created food for you; never medicines. I say every word here from Quran; surely Allah had never given any gifts to man such as medicines i.e., the poisons but food to stay healthy, free of diseases; and He admonishes man to turn to Him repenting for having committed shirk, turning to doctors for cure from diseases shunning Allah. Avicenna is father of all doctors, that is all the answer to your question.
Get well, by Allah
I concur with you to a certain extent.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
I know people with cancer and people who doctors said that their heart functioned less than 30% of the normal rate - they will die anytime, but survived thru this therapy with the grace of ALLAH!
http//ozoneclinic.blogspot.sg/2012/03/what-is-eboo.html
I agree with Bro mmkhan
To add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? brickwall
Thank you and you too, get well, insha ALLAH
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I concur with you to a certain extent.
Do you mean you concur with me to a certain extent with regard to the two ayats 6/17 & 10/107. Will you try again and rethink, recite and rethink to ascertain these ozone, oxygen therapists are outright liars.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
Have you heard of EBOO Thearpy also known as extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation treatment? This THERAPY exposes blood to oxygen (O2) mixed with ozone (O3). Oxygen and ozone are the creation of ALLAH.
O2, O3 combinations do cause terrible effects on liver, brain, kidneys, hormones and heart finally. It is a wonder how people are brainwashed to believe in anything in black and white. Do those who talk about the Oxygen and Ozone know the ingredient gases that finally create O2 and O3? If the doctors know the elements that make O2 or O3 then why do not they create these elements themselves? When they know nothing of these, you may consider this EBOO therapy equivalent to VOODOO therapy.
I know people with cancer and people who doctors said that their heart functioned less than 30% of the normal rate - they will die anytime, but survived thru this therapy with the grace of ALLAH!
Will they die anytime? That too the doctors say 30% of normal rate? But he is living - how? Though the physical heart rate is 30%, the psychological quality of every beat of the heart is 100% efficiently functioning, enough to survive him at his best, is the possible inference, isn?t it? When the doctors say they will die at anytime when their God protected natural life is still surviving them strong, is it not that the opposite of the same i.e., they will bounce back to absolute normalcy anytime, shall have to be expected too?
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The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us?
I can't deny what you wrote above, because maybe that is true... and I don't like this current situation as well.
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
I think providing the skilled medical workers for society is not a bad idea,
it's just that... today the dependency toward medical things (hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical drugs) is very high or beyond reasonable limit, I think.
Peace.
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I can't deny what you wrote above, because maybe that is true... and I don't like this current situation as well.
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
I think providing the skilled medical workers for society is not a bad idea,
it's just that... today the dependency toward medical things (hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical drugs) is very high or beyond reasonable limit, I think.
Peace.
Peace Java,
Thanks.
Red As per my personal understanding yes I do not need any doctor at all. Because my doctor is my Creator, He knows everything about me in and out unlike these so called doctors who don't even know 10% of our complex body system and still they react like god. I want to rely on my Sustainer only, inshaAllah .
Blue Yes, if we see ourselves when we get ill, we suddenly think of a doctor instead of Allah. Isn't it dangerous that we are forgetting our Sustainer when we needed Him the most? Many people never even think of turning towards their Creator when they are ill. They are ready to spend lot of their money to damage their own bodies while they suffer from illness. See how confident and satisfied these people are when they go to any doctor for any illness &
As per 1311 "...And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron - ."
It seems that when Allah intends a people bad they are challenging back to Allah by saying that if you cause us illness, we have another alternative i.e.,doctors &. By doing so, they are getting into double problems 1) money and 2) more health damage. Instead it was a time to get back to their Creator and seek His forgiveness. Because Allah will not intend to cause us any bad but it comes to us because of our own deeds that we do or done earlier .
I see those who seek doctors instead of Allah when they are ill fits perfectly in 3945. I was also like that before but now I am trying hard to rely on Allah in every matter by His grace, alhamduliAllah and without His help it is not possible hail
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
Peace.
peace,
to me and my family and thousands of believers, no doctor needed so far. we pray and believe the Almighty will protect us from medicines and doctors in the hereafter too.
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peace,
to me and my family and thousands of believers, no doctor needed so far. we pray and believe the Almighty will protect us from medicines and doctors in the hereafter too.
Peace brother,
Thank you for sharing it with us. I also have two cases to share.
One is of my dad when he was admitted to the hospital for replacement of his femur head, doctors checked him before taking him for surgery. And asked us whether he took any medicines earlier to this. We said no, and doctors got surprised and said he was attacked by TB many times as you can see in these X-Rays. And it was cured by itself without any medication.
And the second case is very recent. One of my friends' father went to hospital as he was not feeling well and doctors checked him and said you had heart attack many times and asked if he took any medicines for that? He said I was not known to this and never took any medicine for that problem. He is a chain smoker. Doctors said you heart attacks has been cured by itself and you don't have any heart problem now. His illness was something else not related to his heart.
May Allah protect us all from all bad/illnesses and protect us from deviating from Him pr
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Thanks for relaying these stories, brother mmkhan.
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Do you mean you concur with me to a certain extent with regard to the two ayats 6/17 & 10/107. Will you try again and rethink, recite and rethink to ascertain these ozone, oxygen therapists are outright liars.
When I said I concur with you to a certain extent, means I do not agreed to your comprehension pertaining to 6/17 & 10/107. But I do concur with you that doctors we have now are not really doctors. They lied to us. Except for those who fear ALLAH. My personal doctor is a good doctor and I trust him. He is not only a submitter but also a believer. When he treats me and my family, the first verse he would use is "in the name of ALLAH, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL".
Everything comes from ALLAH - the good, the bad and the ugly. Its all in front of you. You make your decision. The Quran 0497
Indeed, those whom the angels take while wronging themselves - will say, "In what were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of ALLAH spacious for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.
Except for the oppressed among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan nor are they directed to a way -
If they know that they are in difficulty, that they are require to migrate, except for those who cannot afford. Its the same thing, if you are sick, seek medical attention from those who know and not those who only wants your money. Its good to stay healthy, so that you can do your prayers, which is the most important responsibility that we have towards our creator. If you are sick, how can you do your prayers? How can you go out and work in order to find the basic nesisicity for your family?
O2, O3 combinations do cause terrible effects on liver, brain, kidneys, hormones and heart finally. It is a wonder how people are brainwashed to believe in anything in black and white. Do those who talk about the Oxygen and Ozone know the ingredient gases that finally create O2 and O3? If the doctors know the elements that make O2 or O3 then why do not they create these elements themselves? When they know nothing of these, you may consider this EBOO therapy equivalent to VOODOO therapy.
O2 runs to the blood system red corpuscles, how can its cause terrible effects on liver, brain, kidneys, hormones and heart. As for O3, in EBOO theraphy, it is use to cleanse the blood by means of dialysis type of procedure. O3 is use to cleanse the blood before infuse back into the body. I have done it for almost 10 years. PRAISE BE TO ALLAH, I am in good condition.
Will they die anytime? That too the doctors say 30% of normal rate? But he is living - how? Though the physical heart rate is 30%, the psychological quality of every beat of the heart is 100% efficiently functioning, enough to survive him at his best, is the possible inference, isn?t it? When the doctors say they will die at anytime when their God protected natural life is still surviving them strong, is it not that the opposite of the same i.e., they will bounce back to absolute normalcy anytime, shall have to be expected too?
That person was in terrible stage. In fact doctors had given up hope on her. What doctors had given her are nothing but drugs which almost made her had kidney failure. My wife was the one who brought her to our family doctor for EBOO therapy. And now, thanks to ALMIGHTY CREATOR, she is in good shape.
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I can't deny what you wrote above, because maybe that is true... and I don't like this current situation as well.
But, do you brothers (drfazl, mmkhan, Hizbullah, & the others) think that we don't need any doctor at all?
I think providing the skilled medical workers for society is not a bad idea,
it's just that... today the dependency toward medical things (hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical drugs) is very high or beyond reasonable limit, I think.
Peace.
Dear Sister JavaLatter, Salam,
Actually we do need doctors but doctors that really want to save live. For example, memogram, its bad for women, that's where they get breast cancer. Those liars who call themselves doctors knew it but they keep quiet. Same goes for Chemotherapy, do you know what is the agent they use? It is Mustard Gas. Its poisonous. Once it enter the human body, that's it, all the cancer cells, good or bad will be destroyed.
We need doctors who have the heart of saving lives. The Quran 0532
....and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.
peace
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My personal doctor is a good doctor and I trust him. He is not only a submitter but also a believer. When he treats me and my family, the first verse he would use is "in the name of ALLAH, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL".
There is an observation to be made here. Your family doctor is a good doctor for he is a submitter to and a believer in Allah alone; so Allah has blessed the doctor with certain curative power from Him; and this is a Sign not only unto your family doctor but unto you too from Allah; and the blessed doctor remembers Allah while he is treating his patients, invoking Allah's Names such as Rahman and Rahim. At the end of the successful treatment the doctor would have definitely praised Allah, All glory be to Him and Him alone.
You will know Allah has blessed your doctor as a Sign for others that they believe too in Allah alone; and has not blessed the EBOO medicine and the therapeutic procedure of man. If Allah has blessed the EBOO therapy, then any man could successfully have used it, be he a believer or a non believer. Allah is needless to have a help in man invented procedure to cure you; therein is a test for the believers - as Allah keenly watches, if one is glorifying Allah alone or EBOO therapy too along with.
As for O3, in EBOO theraphy, it is use to cleanse the blood by means of dialysis type of procedure. O3 is used to cleanse the blood before infuse back into the body. I have done it for almost 10 years. PRAISE BE TO ALLAH, I am in good condition.
Allah purifies whom He will; if we say O3 like dialysis type of treatment cleanses us, it is our faulty recognition; if you see in the above narration, you take EBOO to the front, before praising Allah. Strike off EBOO and bring Allah's Praise to the fore. You will be much better off in the days to come till the end of your life. And you claim to have lived for 10 years because of EBOO, then secondarily you Praise Allah, while Allah has kept you hale and hearty all along. Try praising Allah first, then the EBOO automatically vanishes into oblivion.
My self and my family and thousands of individuals, many with their families who believed and praise Allah alone in this way are living a great life for more than 15 years or so. I have been out of medicines since 35 years; my son, daughter and my wife 30 years now, are free of medicines and without a disease; by Allah, we do not know or we had forgotten what a disease would be like.
And I have disowned my doctors' profession though it was earning me quite a fortune. Then I became a pauper; yet Allah saved me from all misfortunes. "O Allah help me and the people who believed with me to rely on You alone more than ever before."
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There is an observation to be made here. Your family doctor is a good doctor for he is a submitter to and a believer in Allah alone; so Allah has blessed the doctor with certain curative power from Him; and this is a Sign not only unto your family doctor but unto you too from Allah; and the blessed doctor remembers Allah while he is treating his patients, invoking Allah's Names such as Rahman and Rahim. At the end of the successful treatment the doctor would have definitely praised Allah, All glory be to Him and Him alone.
You will know Allah has blessed your doctor as a Sign for others that they believe too in Allah alone; and has not blessed the EBOO medicine and the therapeutic procedure of man. If Allah has blessed the EBOO therapy, then any man could successfully have used it, be he a believer or a non believer. Allah is needless to have a help in man invented procedure to cure you; therein is a test for the believers - as Allah keenly watches, if one is glorifying Allah alone or EBOO therapy too along with.
My self and my family and thousands of individuals, many with their families who believed and praise Allah alone in this way are living a great life for more than 15 years or so. I have been out of medicines since 35 years; my son, daughter and my wife 30 years now, are free of medicines and without a disease; by Allah, we do not know or we had forgotten what a disease would be like.
And I have disowned my doctors' profession though it was earning me quite a fortune. Then I became a pauper; yet Allah saved me from all misfortunes. "O Allah help me and the people who believed with me to rely on You alone more than ever before."
The Quran 9605 - Taught man that which he knew not.
The medical knowledge that you earn is a gift from ALLAH. HE taught you all that you know as being a Doctor. And you threw away all? Why not use it for the benefit of others, by saving lives.
What happen if someone you know was shot in front of you and still alive bleeding. As a doctor what will you do. Let him die? Or you will do what you were taught to stop the bleeding? If you save one life is as though you save all human being...The Quran 0532
....and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.
Allah purifies whom He will; if we say O3 like dialysis type of treatment cleanses us, it is our faulty recognition; if you see in the above narration, you take EBOO to the front, before praising Allah. Strike off EBOO and bring Allah's Praise to the fore. You will be much better off in the days to come till the end of your life. And you claim to have lived for 10 years because of EBOO, then secondarily you Praise Allah, while Allah has kept you hale and hearty all along. Try praising Allah first, then the EBOO automatically vanishes into oblivion.
Is it not I praise my ALLAH first? I praise ALLAH for everything he has given me. EBOO comes from ALLAH. I praise ALLAH for the tremendous knowledge that is with HIM. HE IS A PHYSICIAN, A SURGEON, A CIVIL & SRUCTURAL ENGINEER, AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, A METALURGY, A NUCLEAR ENGINEER.....ETC, ETC, ETC
They said, "Exalted are YOU; we have no knowledge except what YOU have taught us. Indeed, it is YOU who is the Knowing, the Wise."
Mankind are nothing. If one artery is cut off in a man's body, everything about him goes haywire! Every knowledge that a man process comes from HIM. HE gave it to us so that we can do good to others.
You are a doctor but you threw away the knowledge that HE has given. What I see is arrogance and defiance. I don't see anything humble about you. You and all those people that you mislead will be answerable to ALLAH!
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The Quran 9605 - Taught man that which he knew not.
Allah teaches man further than, and farther than, and greater than that which he knows and grant man a higher wisdom that he knew not thus far. Let him then believe in Allah's wisdom alone is what Allah means by the above ayat. I do not know what you mean to convey by pasting this ayat here.
The medical knowledge that you earn is a gift from ALLAH. HE taught you all that you know as being a Doctor. And you threw away all? Why not use it for the benefit of others, by saving lives.You are a doctor but you threw away the knowledge that HE has given. What I see is arrogance and defiance. I don't see anything humble about you. You and all those people that you mislead will be answerable to ALLAH!
But is it not the same thing you had done with the entire medical profession while your wife asked the lady with cancer to do away with the doctors and follow only 'eboo' treatment with your good family doctor? Are not the doctors of the medical profession whom you abandoned also having the same god endowed gift as your family doctor? Can you give me an answer why you made the lady to avoid the doctors endowed with god's gift?
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Allah teaches man further than, and farther than, and greater than that which he knows and grant man a higher wisdom that he knew not thus far. Let him then believe in Allah's wisdom alone is what Allah means by the above ayat. I do not know what you mean to convey by pasting this ayat here.
Exactly as what you have written. You are one of them in case you don't know. I envy you for being a doctor. Do you know that in my country, its not easy to be one! My son had just completed his studies in Medical Science @ Diploma level. He score 3.8 out of 4 GPA. Unfortunately, he cannot enrol into the local university to further his studies in Medicine. The only way is to get in a foreign university. That is going to cause me a bomb! ALLAH has given the knowledge and you threw it back at HIM! If you think that you are right than so be it. I have no more argument with you. No offence Dr Fazl, appreciate if you drop your title as a Doctor. Just call yourself Mr Fazl. That will be nicer.
But is it not the same thing you had done with the entire medical profession while your wife asked the lady with cancer to do away with the doctors and follow only 'eboo' treatment with your good family doctor? Are not the doctors of the medical profession whom you abandoned also having the same god endowed gift as your family doctor? Can you give me an answer why you made the lady to avoid the doctors endowed with god's gift?
Did I say lady with cancer? Anyway, two different things,
1] People who call themselves doctors but did not perform what they are suppose to as a doctor. What they did is only for the money. they don't bother whether you get well or not. Let me tell you of one example of a friend of mine who was operated on because of heart attack. At that time he was 51 years old. The choke to his arteries is because of cholesterol. The doctor who attended to him, has no other ways except insist on performing a by pass even after the pain to his chest has reduce due to a drug the doctor prescribed by putting it under his tongue. I am not sure what is the name of that drug. That operation cause him between $50,000 to $70000
2] People who call themselves doctors and they perform their job sincerely in the name of ALLAH. Yes they make some money because they need to survive. Their medical charges is not high. Their main concern is to save lives. Another friend of mine, also in his fifties, same problem as the above, when he saw my doctor, immediately the doctor carried out EBOO. One treatment cause him $200. My friend need to go twice a month for 6 months. After that, he just need to go twice a year as "maintenance" to his body system.
Salam Dr Fazl,