Invitation for debate with Dr Zakir Naik and colleagues
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I accept the debate. Let me know whether Zakir accepts it. Then let determine the time and place of the debate.
You can reach me via [email protected]
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EdipWhy hasn't this happened yet? brickwall
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Why hasn't this happened yet? brickwall
Perhaps differing fame levels.
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Zakir Naik is a Lovecraftian demon straight from the bubbling jizz pits of Satan's private spa, the same goes for Mufti Menk and Nouman Ali Khan.
It's ridiculous that these uber-mainstream so called religious leaders like Mufti Menk, Nouman Ali Khan, Yasir Qadhi, Khalid Yasin, and the Islam Channel clergy are not receiving ANY resistance whatsoever! Like NO intellectual resistance, no inquiries, no questioning, NOTHING. Does this not creep you out? The only reason it would not creep anybody out is because they are not aware of the massive large-scale seismic effects they have on the mass population and what function they serve on a manipulative psychological level. I have yet to hear the demigod Mufti Menk talk about those who respect the Quran more than anything else. You probably won't hear him talk about it, too much vested interest.
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Zakir Naik is a Lovecraftian demon straight from the bubbling jizz pits of Satan's private spa, the same goes for Mufti Menk and Nouman Ali Khan.
It's ridiculous that these uber-mainstream so called religious leaders like Mufti Menk, Nouman Ali Khan, Yasir Qadhi, Khalid Yasin, and the Islam Channel clergy are not receiving ANY resistance whatsoever! Like NO intellectual resistance, no inquiries, no questioning, NOTHING. Does this not creep you out? The only reason it would not creep anybody out is because they are not aware of the massive large-scale seismic effects they have on the mass population and what function they serve on a manipulative psychological level. I have yet to hear the demigod Mufti Menk talk about those who respect the Quran more than anything else. You probably won't hear him talk about it, too much vested interest.
What is so bad about them again? They are into the Hadith maybe but whatever. Could you list some reasons that they are "Lovecraftian demon straight from the bubbling jizz pits of Satan's private spa"? They don't seem nearly that cool to me.
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Zakir Naik is a Lovecraftian demon straight from the bubbling jizz pits of Satan's private spa, the same goes for Mufti Menk and Nouman Ali Khan.
It's ridiculous that these uber-mainstream so called religious leaders like Mufti Menk, Nouman Ali Khan, Yasir Qadhi, Khalid Yasin, and the Islam Channel clergy are not receiving ANY resistance whatsoever! Like NO intellectual resistance, no inquiries, no questioning, NOTHING. Does this not creep you out? The only reason it would not creep anybody out is because they are not aware of the massive large-scale seismic effects they have on the mass population and what function they serve on a manipulative psychological level. I have yet to hear the demigod Mufti Menk talk about those who respect the Quran more than anything else. You probably won't hear him talk about it, too much vested interest.
absolutely, he wants the world to carry on the way its been going for the last fourteen hundred years or so - so as long as his bank balances remain headstrong.
once i saw his speach about 10 years ago in pakistan , he was telling us that Muhammad had been foretold in the hindu vedas ..............
An angel came to a hindu king to tell him of the coming of Muhammad and Islam .........
Why should an angel (if they existed ) go to tell a hindu king, was the king on par with Allah or something?
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absolutely, he wants the world to carry on the way its been going for the last fourteen hundred years or so - so as long as his bank balances remain headstrong.
once i saw his speach about 10 years ago in pakistan , he was telling us that Muhammad had been foretold in the hindu vedas ..............
An angel came to a hindu king to tell him of the coming of Muhammad and Islam .........
Why should an angel (if they existed ) go to tell a hindu king, was the king on par with Allah or something?
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Why shouldn't an angel go tell a Hindu King something? An angel doesn't need to tell Allah anything though.
Are you a Muslim or an Atheist?
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Why shouldn't an angel go tell a Hindu King something? An angel doesn't need to tell Allah anything though.
Are you a Muslim or an Atheist?
An Angel telling a Hindu King in India," i am going to start a religion of Islam in Aravistan" .
Sorry i don't understand the logic.
A Viceroy or someone usually elaborates on his plans he is conducting in a foreign country.....
hmm
May be we are not on the same wavelength though.....
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They don't seem nearly that cool to me.
Hey Freedom Stands,
Quite the mixed metaphor you have there. Can you ruthlessly elaborate on what you mean by that, while I try to answer your question.
Cheers dawg.
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Hey Freedom Stands,
Quite the mixed metaphor you have there. Can you ruthlessly elaborate on what you mean by that, while I try to answer your question.
Cheers dawg.
Lovecraftian demons are pretty cool, my favorite being Nyarlahotep. They don't seem nearly that cool to me though for such epithets. Lots of Lovecraftian stuff was somewhat influenced by the idea of mysterious Orientalist fantasies regarding Islam which Lovecraft had an interest in or fascination with earlier in his life and also attributed the Necronomicon as a kind of Arab book of dark and dangerous mysteries, the way that the people during the Victorian period at times may have been afraid of Islam (though he was from a later era, he was considered an "anglophile" who loved that period and was influenced by it lots).
I wrote a bit about such things recently on some forum where some guy was asking about a religion of Chaos
I joined this forum to see if it was possible to get into contact with you. My email is [email protected]. Feel free to send me a message any time.
You were asking if there was a religion of Chaos and if anyone seriously practiced it. The answer to that question is yes, in several ways. The "Chaos" concept in Warhammer is somewhat based on the work of H.P. Lovecraft, which was adopted by certain people involved in the occult as a paradigm to work with. That is the more academic answer about people who actually practice these things, and there are some who have probably continued in that vein to adopt aspects of the Chaos theology and practices from Warhammer to some degree. Though the religion of Chaos as described in the Warhammer series has basis and inspiration from lots of things that have existed and continue to exist in the real world (similarly H.P. Lovecraft's work was also somewhat inspired by elements of real life practices and beliefs that were considered mind rending and creepy to the more traditional sensibilities of the Victorian and Edwardian era he seemed inspired by, one of those influences for example might have been the mysterious attraction and fear surrounding what was considered to be the Fatalistic and alien religion of Islam which he had been attracted to in his youth). There were many more things which interested Lovecraft and appeared as themes in his stories, such as the occult, extra-terrestrials, Satanism, demons, and "Savages" or those native religions around the world which were often depicted as frantic and ecstatic religions of senseless surrender to frenzy. These sorts of themes which became a major point of H.P. Lovecraft's writing and those who created a "Cthulhu Mythos" around his work, made their way into Warhammer to a large degree, and following in the style of H.P. Lovecraft, certain elements of real history were mixed and modified into the ideas that represent Chaos in the series. For example Tzeentch can easily be identified at times with Odin and the "Raven Horde" and things like that are pretty apparently direct references to concepts generally associated with Odin.
The ideas represented in the Warhammer series are genuinely workable in a real world religious system and also have been used historically as well. Similar beliefs were present around the world long before Lovecraft, Aleister Crowley, or even Western Occultism. Ideas that are present in the Chaos theology were actually present in Buddhism, Hinduism (particularly things associated with Shiva), Islam, and various religions like those of the Germanic people and the Aztecs among many others. Even the pre-Imperial Romans had similar ideas and it can be said the religion of Chaos is the only religion that has generally existed throughout most of history, finding various adaptions at different times.
There are also similar real world type ideas found in the Elder Scrolls series. The Saivite Aghoris even carry skulls like some of the characters in the Warhammer series.
The opposing side of "Order" is a mix of various post-Christian European values and ideas, as well as some Roman concepts, since the "Empire" seems to be based on the Germanic "Holy Roman Empire" which took ideas from pre-Christian Rome, Christian Orthodoxy and Catholicism, as well as some Germanic values which came to represent the ethos of the real world Holy Roman Empire which the Empire in Warhammer seems to be based on largely. The "Chaoskampf" which you can read about online, was a real and important idea that pervaded through European and then European Christian ideas, and that seems to be a major theme in the Warhammer Universe.
Chaos is associated more with Nature in many ways, just as it was in the Chaoskampf concept, and the Saracens in old stories were often seen as extensions of Nature or closer to nature as well. This idea goes even further in Warhammer, where the future soldiers are made more machine than man in many ways, seen as an extension of Order taken to the extreme, whereas "Giving in to the Warp" might be seen as giving in to the nature of things or "Surrender" which is the general concept of the more Fatalistic religions, particularly "Islam" where the name of the religion is even "Surrender" and its extended meaning can be "Finding Peace/Relief/Healing through Surrender/Submission/Acceptance of the Ultimate Reality".
So the stuff can be justified as very much real or having real aspects existing in the world even today, except that most people might not realize it.
The "closeness to nature" with Chaos in Warhammer can be seen in the organic nature of Nergal's troops, the organic transformations of Tzeentch's Chosen devotees, and sex and blood for the other two, all generally very much involved with nature and natural things more than an attempt to subdue and control nature, they surrender to the perpetual battle and are given natural enhancements by Chaos, of which the "Gods" are only facets. This idea is similar to the Aztec concept of Teotl which is mentioned in the Aztec Philosophy page on Wikipedia.
Anyway, if you would like to discuss this more, feel free to contact me via email or Skype and I'd be happy to tell you more.
If there was a genuine practitioner you wanted to know, that is me.
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Would you really waste your valuable time discussing/debating Qur'anic Islam with Zakir Naik? I met and debated him in person when he visited Australia several years ago and I can tell you that he was impressive with Ahadith but with Al qur'an, I consider him a Novice. I also attended his lectures at a university campus and it was boring and annoying if you know your Qur'an. At the time he was touted as the successor to Ahmad Deedat and Malcolm X look alike . For me, I would not waste my time with Dr Zakir Naik, any regular forum member can take him apart .
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