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    mmkhan
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    PEACE KHAN

    AND are same as ? What I wrote is about ZIKRI and not FAZKURULLAH. Use logic.

    Instead of concentrating on the six times mentioned and trying to prove me wrong you are asking for translations which has nothing to do with ZIKRI.

    Try to translate the six times mentioned ZIKRI as MY REMEMBRANCE and see the result

    Indeed, it is We who sent down the remembrance/Message and indeed, We will be its guardian 159

    And they say, "O you upon whom the remembrance/Message has been sent down, indeed you are mad. (15 6)

    You can only warn one who follows the remembrance/Message and fears the Most Merciful unseen. So give him good tidings of forgiveness and noble reward. (36 11)

    Then should We turn the remembrance/Message away, disregarding you, because you are a transgressing people? (43 5)

    Could you please translate the above verses because the word ZIKR is in them

    Peace brother,

    Never mind.
    I thought you take a single meaning of any Arabic word including all it's derivatives as I do. BTW, you took also along with !

    Thanks for your reply.

    May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
    mmKhan

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      mmkhan
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      Peace Wakas, everyone,

      I want to share an interesting post about "Abraham and his son" with you.

      Peace brother Hiroshi,

      Thanks for posting that quote.
      But there is no animal mentioned in the aayat.
      It was just saying - 37107. There is no mention of any animal.

      May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
      mmKhan

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        huruf
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        Peace brother Hiroshi,

        Thanks for posting that quote.
        But there is no animal mentioned in the aayat.
        It was just saying - 37107. There is no mention of any animal.

        May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
        mmKhan

        Not the shadow of any animal.

        Salaam

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          Wakas
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          peace TH,

          Peace Wakas, everyone,

          I want to share an interesting post about "Abraham and his son" with you.

          I'm not sure I follow, but later in that same thread, this is somewhat answered. Read from this post onwards
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg233662#msg233662

          In addition to what I said, in that thread bro Ayman asked of the evidence regarding Abraham/Isaac/Ishmael and interpretation of vision/dream, and there is possibly an implication in 126 and 3845 for Abraham/Isaac. And it just so happens Isaac could be the one spoken of 37102-106, see
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602123.0

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            truthseeker11
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            Salamun alaik Hafeez,

            How are you so sure that the word means MY REMEMBRANCE?

            The word has been mentioned six times in the Quran and the translators have interpreted it as ?MY REMEMBRANCE?. Is this interpretation correct? Let us check it.

            Go, you and your brother, with My signs and do not slacken/be negligent/careless in My remembrance/MESSAGE Go, both of you, to Pharaoh. Indeed, he has transgressed And speak to him with gentle speech that perhaps he may be reminded or fear ." They said, "Our Lord, indeed we are afraid that he will hasten against us or that he will transgress said, "Fear not. Indeed, I am with you both; I hear and I see. So go to him and say, 'Indeed, we are messengers of your Lord, so send with us the Children of Israel and do not torment them. We have come to you with a sign from your Lord. And peace will be upon he who follows the guidance (20 42/43/44/45/46)

            Moses was assigned a task of delivering His initial MESSAGES to pharaoh to release the children from his captivity and not to torment them. Thus the command was not be careless in His MESSAGE.

            Unto those whose eyes had been under a covering from My remembrance /MESSAGE, nor had they been able to hear 18101

            Do we remember Allah through eyes and ears?

            And whoever TURNS AWAY from My remembrance/MESSAGE - indeed, he will have a depressed life, and We will gather him on the Day of Resurrection blind." (20 124)

            Therefore shun those who TURN AWAY from Our MESSAGE and desire nothing but the life of this world. 5329

            The turning away is not from the remembrance of Allah but from the MESSAGE of Allah.

            Indeed, there was a party of My servants who said, 'Our Lord, we have believed, so forgive us and have mercy upon us, and You are the best of the merciful. But you took them in mockery until they made you to FORGET My remembrance/MESSAGE and you used to laugh at them. (23 109/110)

            The disbelievers even in their dream never remembered Allah so the question of remembering Allah does not arise.

            They will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for us to take besides You any allies. But You provided comforts for them and their fathers until they FORGOT the MESSAGE and became a people ruined." (Al-Furqaan 1

            It was the MESSAGE that they FORGOT?

            Has the MESSAGE been revealed to him out of us?" Rather, they are in doubt about My MESSAGE. Rather, they have not yet tasted My punishment. (388

            So in the Quran is not My Remembrance but My MESSAGE

            Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so SERVE Me and establish/SETUP COMMUNION (intimate communication) for My MESSAGE (20 14)

            Thank you for your analysis. It has been helpful to me in resolving a long standing misunderstanding I had about ZIKRI. "My message" makes perfect sense.

            I also agree with your translation of SALAT as COMMUNION. A few months ago I had arrived at the translation of SALAT as COMMUNICATION and previous to that my understanding was CONNECTION but COMMUNION makes much more sense.

            As a side note, I have the utmost respect for you. Your old posts from 2004 onwards have been EXTREMELY helpful to me in understanding a lot of topics in al-quran and discovering/uncovering the truth, and have greatly influenced my current views. I would highly recommend all readers to study brother Hafeez's older posts (pearls) carefully.

            Thank you for the good work and may the infinite creator bless you and reward you for all your efforts.

            Best Regards.

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              truthseeker11
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              Peace Man of Faith,

              Further research shows that "allah" most likely means "the one who is powerful/strong/mighty/majestic", having origins in the Hebrew "elohim".

              http//www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Elohim.html#.Vb-ZrrtRGUk

              http//www.myredeemerlives.com/namesofgod/adonai-elohim.html

              As a cognate of the Aramaic "elah", it most likely means "the one who is revered/awesome".

              http//www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elah/elah.html

              May the infinite creator guide us to the truth.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Okay. Thank you for your opinion, truthseeker11.

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                  Peace Wakas,

                  I'm not sure I follow, but later in that same thread, this is somewhat answered. Read from this post onwards
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13069.msg233662#msg233662

                  I read from that post onward. They were interesting posts. And I completely agree with the notion that Abraham did not intend to kill him, but instead wanted to sacrifice his son (possibly Isaac) for a noble cause (spread the message, establish God's system etc). The word adhabuku (which is translated as sacrificing you) in verse 37102 does not seem to have a literal meaning. The word adhabuku (sacrificing you) seem to have a figurative meaning.

                  In addition to what I said, in that thread bro Ayman asked of the evidence regarding Abraham/Isaac/Ishmael and interpretation of vision/dream, and there is possibly an implication in 126 and 3845 for Abraham/Isaac. And it just so happens Isaac could be the one spoken of 37102-106, see
                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602123.0

                  I read your post. And I agree with your views. It was a very interesting post with a good analysis of the chronological story of Abraham. Thanks for sharing.

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                    huruf
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                    Sura 37

                    He said "I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me! (99) "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!" (100) So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear. (101) Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice), (103) We called out to him "O Abraham! (104) "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right. (105) For this was obviously a trial- (106) And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice (107) And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times (10 "Peace and salutation to Abraham!" (109) Thus indeed do We reward those who do right. (110) For he was one of our believing Servants. (111) And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous. (112)

                    It is plain that Ishaq comes after Isma3il, and indeed much after Isma3l, since when Ishaq is announced the whole scene of the sacrifice has already been played out. And the association of Ismail with patience as somebody has already pointed out from hte Qur'an yies in with the passage of the sacrifice, so there is not much room for doubt as per the Qur'an.

                    Some people in other thread I htink has suggested that in fact Ishaq is the son of Isma3il which might be so, because if they were already ald when the "first" boy is announced, the second might indeed have been the son of the son.

                    Salaam

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                      Sura 37

                      He said "I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me! (99) "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!" (100) So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear. (101) Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice), (103) We called out to him "O Abraham! (104) "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right. (105) For this was obviously a trial- (106) And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice (107) And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times (10 "Peace and salutation to Abraham!" (109) Thus indeed do We reward those who do right. (110) For he was one of our believing Servants. (111) And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous. (112)

                      It is plain that Ishaq comes after Isma3il, and indeed much after Isma3l, since when Ishaq is announced the whole scene of the sacrifice has already been played out. And the association of Ismail with patience as somebody has already pointed out from hte Qur'an yies in with the passage of the sacrifice, so there is not much room for doubt as per the Qur'an.

                      Some people in other thread I htink has suggested that in fact Ishaq is the son of Isma3il which might be so, because if they were already ald when the "first" boy is announced, the second might indeed have been the son of the son.

                      Salaam

                      1439
                      "All praise is due to God, who has bestowed upon me, in my old age, Ishmael and Isaac! Behold, my Sustainer hears indeed all prayer

                      2927
                      And We granted to him Ishaq and Yaqub and We placed in his offsprings the Prophethood and the Book. And We gave him his reward in the world. And indeed, he in the Hereafter (is) surely, among the righteous.

                      684
                      And We bestowed to him Ishaq and Yaqub, all We guided. And Nuh, We guided before; and of his descendents, Dawood and Sulaiman and Ayyub and Yusuf and Musa and Harun. And thus We reward the good-doers.

                      Hehe, cool, even Jacob is thrown in the same sentences.

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