If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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I do not take money or gifts for the meetings nor do I have any following and I do not believe in the organizations; I am single, all alone with Allah.
What? Then what about what was posted about you?
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A Wise Man Vs A Fool
The knowledge of a wise will increase like a flood,
and their counsel like a life giving spring.The mind of a fool is like a broken jar;
it can hold no knowledge.When an intelligent person hears a wise saying,
he praises it and adds to it.
When a fool hears it,he laughs at it and throws
it behind his back.The utterance of a sensible person in the assembly
and they ponder his words in their minds.A fool raises his voice when he laughs,
but the wise smiles quietly.The mind of fools is in their mouth,
but the mouth of the wise is in their mind.When an ungodly person curses an adversary,
he curses himself,degrades himself and he is hated in this forum.If you are referring to me, do you consider what I say, the sayings of a fool, for saying that Allah is the only power, there is no other power, Allah determines, creates, and fully controls everything and does not leave things up to other powers like the power of chance and individuals have no power to do anything or even will anything of their own accord?
I enjoyed what you wrote anyway, but if you're calling me a fool for my statements, then that means you are opposed to the statements and instead saying what differs from them. If you say what differs from them, you are in a state of shirk. If you are in a state of shirk, the Qur'an issues curses upon you.
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It is for sure time and again you prove you have no understanding of Quran; you cannot touch 26/80; 3/7; 17/85; 20/114 or any of the ayats; absolutely ignorant, posing here to prove your concept Allah guides you to hell; It is wilful play by Allah; Allah creates all evil for you; Allah makes you steal; Allah makes you rob; Allah makes you a terrorist; Allah bombs Iraq, Palestine; Allah created molesters of women; and Allah shall send molesters to Heavens; and the molested to Hell; He does what He wills. What an understanding of Quran and Allah!
Listen to what I say
Allah says, Good is what Allah has in store in abundance for you which He will create in just measure in accordance with each of your behaviour distinct from one another; and evil is what He creates for you in just measure to the extent of each of your unjustness.
If you really fear Allah, take one ayat, only one ayat out of 6000 odd verses and discuss your subject instead using all the slum languages on earth. I know as a low lying one that you are you cannot free yourself from the foul languages; all your posts speaks of the freedom and it is unimaginable that you have been given by the moderators to use as much foul mouth to speak as possible in this thread; and I doubt if they all stand by you. And I doubt if there are any more evil words still left on the streets.
By the way, ignorant snake, it is not "slum language" to identity what you are. When I said "mtherfa***, my joke (had you keen observation) was that no swear word at all was said. Nor was a real swearword censored. Look carefully. It says "m*therfa". There is no such English swearword that continues "fa", but I was watching the ignorant people on this website take it to mean a swearword haha. Not only that, but part of the joke was censoring the o in mother. Not many people understand my humor.
Now, if I call your teachings absolute sht. This is not slum language either. Sht is a word which refers to fecal matter and filth, which is like the shirk you teach and the deeds you do as you rob the poor, yet I have been quite gentle with you in calling you merely what you are, a snake, murderer, liar, thief, deceiver, misleader, shaitan, devil, and whatever else.
Perhaps even a "m*therfa" haha whatever that is. Oh! A Motherfazl perhaps!
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faruk's enquiry
@drfazl, Do you take money or gifts from your followers and for your lectures and writing in magazines?
To this I replied, I do not take money or gifts for my lectures; and I have no following; nor do I enrol membership; nor had I set up an organisation. And about magazines and books, yes, definitely I sell it.
Now, where I have gone wrong in this?
And wherefrom and what triggered so much of hue and cry is what is intriguing. From the disinterring, from the places of interment and internet?
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Beware of Shaitans and His Tribe.
727 O Children of Adam! Let not Satan tempt you as he brought your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts. Surely he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you see them not. We have made the Satans the friends of those who do not believe.
O The mankind, let not shaitans prompt you and make you fall a prey to his aggression and oppression as he did to the people before you now and aforetimes; and maintain your dignity and decorum even in a forum of no identities and preserve your attire and attainment for Allah; surely shaitan sees you, he and his accomplices hand in hand from where you see them not. We have made shaitans and his friends of those who do not believe.
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faruk's enquiry
To this I replied, I do not take money or gifts for my lectures; and I have no following; nor do I enrol membership; nor had I set up an organisation. And about magazines and books, yes, definitely I sell it.Now, where I have gone wrong in this?
And wherefrom and what triggered so much of hue and cry is what is intriguing. From the disinterring, from the places of interment and internet?
What then of the 2000USD you mentioned in an earlier post?
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2000 USD - it is a riddle now, when people do not have good thinking ( for this you need quran as guidance) they only choose the wrong as right. if you think rightly with the postings of drfazl you will understand the truth about 2000 USD. let it be a riddle. let the unright curse with their hasty decision. i can say you have wrongly concluded.
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Javalatte used to enjoy coming around and kicking me when others would kick me urging them on saying "yeah, you tell em!" type stuff, when I am fighting for what is absolutely right.
So, that's what you think of me?
I tell you, I'm not here with the purpose to "expel" you.
Of course I like if you stop from making trustless writings in here, but I'm not eager to stop you (whether you believe me or not - I don't care).
I need to earn a living, so I'm not having enough time to go online (including to spend time in this forum) as much as I want. I should do something which I think is an answer of my prayer to Allah back then (I can't really remember when, maybe few years ago). Currently, Allah helps me to do work which inshaAllah I could like/enjoy entrepreneurship and creativity, and I don't want to be ungrateful for the opportunity which is given to me, and if I could do my work properly, then God willing, it could make my parents happy, and that's much more important than "kicking you",
and, I think it is better and more peaceful to learn the Qur'an in person and avoid the contamination from misleading/bad posts in this forum. Perhaps it is better for me to focus on other things other than free-minds, however, I could feel the need to login for certain things, such as before this time, the last time I logged was not because of you, but because one of hicham's posts made me interested, and then I posted about a group in Facebook and I also wanted to ask something to brother Hizbullah (by PM).
I don't want to follow drfazl, you, or MoF. I think you threes have grave similarity.
But maybe drfazl is more "advanced", because it seems he already has quite-loyal supporters (or accounts?) who backed him here.
If people have wisdom and apply righteousness, I hope they could recognize why you, drfazl, and MoF should not be followed blindly.
Brother A.W is my friend, and I'm glad that he is not among of your fans.
Peace.
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I feel that I supposed to respond/reply to Hizbullah and mmkhan earlier, I am sorry brothers.
Maybe I should make more proper posts @ Wiselite and @ mmkhan (there's something I wanted to ask you brother, related with hospital), but I can't do it today - I'm sorry.
However, in short, I hope that you both (mmkhan, Wiselite) can choose wisely from drfazl posts/writings/statements - which ones are right and which ones are wrong.
Salaam.
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You may be interested in these posts if you're curious about the financial aspect
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605479.msg330853#msg330853
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605427.msg331173#msg331173
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605427.msg331166#msg331166
Anyone other than the dummy accounts can see exactly what's going on here.
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Jinn of Fire And Man of Mud The Technologies Fire And Mud
On the day when He shall muster them all together 'Company of jinn, you have made much of mankind.' Then their friends among mankind will say, 'Our Lord, we have profited each of the other, and we have reached the term determined by Thee for us. He will say 'The Fire is your lodging, therein to dwell forever' - except as God will; surely thy Lord is All-wise, All-knowing.
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So, that's what you think of me?
I tell you, I'm not here with the purpose to "expel" you.
Of course I like if you stop from making trustless writings in here, but I'm not eager to stop you (whether you believe me or not - I don't care).
I need to earn a living, so I'm not having enough time to go online (including to spend time in this forum) as much as I want. I should do something which I think is an answer of my prayer to Allah back then (I can't really remember when, maybe few years ago). Currently, Allah helps me to do work which inshaAllah I could like/enjoy entrepreneurship and creativity, and I don't want to be ungrateful for the opportunity which is given to me, and if I could do my work properly, then God willing, it could make my parents happy, and that's much more important than "kicking you",
and, I think it is better and more peaceful to learn the Qur'an in person and avoid the contamination from misleading/bad posts in this forum. Perhaps it is better for me to focus on other things other than free-minds, however, I could feel the need to login for certain things, such as before this time, the last time I logged was not because of you, but because one of hicham's posts made me interested, and then I posted about a group in Facebook and I also wanted to ask something to brother Hizbullah (by PM).
I don't want to follow drfazl, you, or MoF. I think you threes have grave similarity.
But maybe drfazl is more "advanced", because it seems he already has quite-loyal supporters (or accounts?) who backed him here.
If people have wisdom and apply righteousness, I hope they could recognize why you, drfazl, and MoF should not be followed blindly.
Brother A.W is my friend, and I'm glad that he is not among of your fans.
Peace.
Yeah, remember how when people are ganging up on me or saying something I am saying is bad, without explanation, you take the opportunity to join up and try to kick me at that time saying "I am glad you said this" and stuff like that, its just a bad habit a little bit, I was bringing it up for that reason because many people are like that.
For example, in the real world, I saw how people are emboldened more when others are attacking first, then they kind of urge them on or say "yeah!" after the fact.
Anyway, I know I use controversial methods, but I'm strictly saying Allah alone is the Ultimate there is no other power, and thus I am set among my charlatan brothers as the least shirk prone.
Even your friend A.W. does not realize that when he says "it is left up to humans to choose the specific paths and Allah does not drive them down any paths or determine it for them" he is actually saying "it is up to chance, if they go this way or that way, not determined by God, so left to chance" then he makes it seem like that is a false accusation when it is a darn straightforward logical implication of what he is saying and he should man up and admit to it.
In your case, if you want to know what I think of you, I think you're a good muslim girl, and I like that. For whatever reason Allah has put you towards stupid things sometimes which are irrelevant like the flat earth stuff, but if you pray and fast and do all those things, then at least you're a Muslim "officially" and by the general standards.
As for the flat Earth, you should simply say "I do not know if it is this way or that way, since I have not flown a plane around the Earth or sailed a ship around the Earth or reached the ends of the Earth, I do not know" and that is sufficient, no one is blaming you for not knowing, but to exaggerate and say "The earth is flat!" like some people on here, is just what ignorant people do, the same they said "Jesus died!" and "Jesus is the son of God!" without knowing it at all.
I do not really say what I don't actually know. When I say Allah is the Ultimate, it is not conjecture, it merely means "I am designating the term "Allah" to refer to "the Ultimate" and thus I can not be "wrong" in that, its just my use of language, similarly I explained how words like Lucifer can be used the same way, the words are practically arbitrary was the point, it is about the definitions and the careful linguists and logical "math" involved and the implications.
It is the "math" that A.W. is having trouble with, because for him it is blasphemy to think that God might be "unjust" by his standards, so he can't say "God determines the evil they do" and so out of his sense of piety he leaves it up to "chance" and says God is not responsible for it all. This is what it seems to be, and so his intentions might be good, but he is arguing on the wrong side of the fence in two cases, first in defense of Man of Faith (not really defense, he just thought I was too harsh with him) then coming and being against me when I'm battling a villain drfazl. Anyone who comes and stupidly gets in the way and tries to impede righteousness, is being made a fool.
Same goes for you when you join in when people are messing with me and saying "yeah! You tell em guys!".
Anyone who opposes my statement that "Allah is the Ultimate, there is no other power but Allah, Allah chooses and determines everything and creates all experiences absolutely and is not caused or driven by any other driver but Allah alone who is self-sufficient" is performing shirk.
My statements are deliberate traps, if anyone falls into them by diverting even a metaphorical micro meter or less from what I am saying, they are going to be in the wrong.
A.W. was offered a chance to talk to me and become my friend, and he slapped it away and says there is nothing he wants to learn from me.
He is stubborn about his idea and won't even let himself realize the implications of what he is saying.
He doesn't get much of my ire though, because as far as I know he is not defrauding the poor and the ignorant the way that drfazl is nor saying anything necessarily harmful the way drfazl is.
Man of Faith is also not really saying anything very harmful, I have tested him to see how far he takes it and he moderated and did not take the things to extremes when I offered extremes so he is fine, not really very bad, also no one seems to listen to him the way that drfazl has a big following of people and influence.
I was harsh with some user who seemed to be implying some toleration for drinking and drugs because those are harmful substances.
Can you see who I get angry at most and in degrees and why?
It is the ones who actually are working harm that are the most vehemently fought against.
In the meantime, the rest are shirk loving, but loving shirk is one thing (and it is very bad) but taking shirk to the next level by saying "Allah doesn't create everything, so let infections and diseases spread and pay me 2000USD for prayers and talking to you" is a whole new level of villainy. As far as I know Man of Faith is not like that so doesn't even come close to that level of criminality.
The crimes of Man of Faith are that he just very boldly makes statements without explaining to people that these are his own discoveries that are not approved of really by the mainstream linguists and "experts". So it is his confidence that might mislead people, but if he simply explains that these are his own interpretations and discoveries and how he understands it based on the lexicons and inspiration and whatever else, then it isn't a big deal.
My earlier battles with him arose when he was just blatantly saying stuff that was not the mainstream academic stuff, but now I resolved that by always mentioning that this is the mainstream academic stuff. If he just mentions he is making up his own stuff that isn't vetted by the mainstream academics or approved by them, then it isn't a big deal and he won't be misleading anyone, he will be more open and straightforward. I'm also concerned his beliefs are unsuitable in his relationship and his wife may be being neglected or mistreated because of the beliefs (not as in direct abuse or anything, but just that she is a "worldly" person and he doesn't want to be like that and it isn't pleasing to either of them maybe so it is kind of a sad relationship, but I also understand its hard if not impossible to let go or divorce and see her go with anyone else who might be able to make her happier in this world).
Hicham's crimes are making bold and blatant statements, and runninglikezebras also has a tendency sometimes to say things with more confidence than it should have, and it would be better for both of them to say "it may be such and such" instead of "this is how it is". Hicham has a natural sense of humor that comes out in his posts, and runninglikezebras seems to have good intentions, neither are at the criminal level of drfazl, but Hicham would be more worthy of a criminal title because he boldly promotes backwards stuff and is opposed apparently to mainstream education and so is spreading ignorance and people to become alienated from the "worldly world of lies" and unable to function, fighting against math and science and astronomy and whatever else. Runninglikezebras is opposite, in the sense that he is more in line with science and more modern and progressive rather than radical and backwards. Yet runninglikezebras is also working alienation, since he wants to turn people from the mainstream Qiblah (honestly to me it doesn't matter at all, I try to only see what the current situation is and if the majority are all dealing with Mecca now then trying to turn them to Jerusalem is a petty struggle, more important are good deeds and strict monotheism and whatever else for now).
Who else?
good logic seems good and also pretty careful with his words. Armin remains pretty careful. Hawk99 seems pretty good and careful too, though each might have some ideas here and there which may be a little different from each other but it doesn't seem a big deal, they all seem to pray, fast, and can generally be considered mainstream Muslims.
Ikrame is way too easily on the attack and takes offense way too fast. She may also be one of the "flat-earthers" leading to alienation from the world and modern science.
1rightlyguided is just a generally a kind of strange character.
storminateacup didn't have enough patience but might come back.
faruk and UnseenLight seem to be rather good characters but they keep to themselves and haven't adopted as much of a fighting spirit, they may not have the time for it, but I think that it is a good deed to speak beautiful truths regarding Allah, even if they sound ugly to the disbelievers, so can use this forum more for a bit of that practice too. My speeches are meant to be praises of Allah, even though they seem to you to be insults, only a few understand that they are glorifying Allah as the Ultimate. It doesn't matter to me if people listen to me or not, because it is "birdsong", just beautiful praises I recite, I read them at least. It feels good to recite the praises of Allah, such as "Allah is the murderer of anyone who is murdered". For whatever reasons, these statements do not give some of you peace, but to some of us it gives us great happiness and peace. We are different, either one of us is Muslim or neither of us.
The beliefs of Layth, Wakas, and whoever else in authority are somewhat ambiguous to me even though they have posted lots, I just don't know what they believe or practice, if they are mostly mainstream Muslims or way into something different like some people on here who neither pray, nor fast, nor do any of those classic "5 pillars" or whatever.
When there was a few days break you guys had from me, I was actually blocked from the website by the moderators, so don't think I'm immune from being blocked or anything, but don't try to have me blocked, it is ridiculous that this website should not have at least one rather mainstream perspective present, and I'm still radical and not quite mainstream in the sense that I do not like the Hadith, but like Armin pointed out earlier I do follow a rather mainstream type of interpretation, even older than the modern apologetics, by promoting the "Fatalism" of traditional Islamic theology (it was much more common apparently in Islam before, but now the more Western theology of "Omnibenevolence" and "Free Will" and whatever else has become more popular and Muslims are also flocking towards those ideas whereas before they used to be more Fatalist and not particularly focused on "Omnibenevolence" as much as "Omnipotence" among the majority. This is also more traditional Christian and Jewish theology, which had periods of strongly Fatalist and Power focused thinking and not all this new mushy "daddy love" stuff, that people are also trying to nudge Islam into.
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Man of Faith is also not really saying anything very harmful, I have tested him to see how far he takes it and he moderated and did not take the things to extremes when I offered extremes so he is fine, not really very bad, also no one seems to listen to him the way that drfazl has a big following of people and influence.
I do not seek popularity by portraying something the way people want to hear it but because it is God's stance. And I'd never charge a cent for anything that comes out of my mouth or fingers in terms of guidance but my salary is from God.
And I take the Arabic words for their morphological meaning and do not choose a meaning for each occurrence.
I share points with drfazl however, when it comes to not rely so much on physical matter. Some of the teachings are not bad.
That was my message.
Be well
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The Foremost Sinner, This!
68.35 Shall We then treat the People of Faith like the People of Sin?
Allah is the Best of the judges about one's Faith save the manifest disbeliever who shall dare defy Allah, and who continues judging others' Faith, turning out to be the foremost sinner in the eyes of Allah. And the punishment of Allah upon him is already happening before us. One shall always fall short of beautiful words, thus lowering his own dignity; yet cannot comprehend failing himself. Yet, Allah is still compassionate towards such sinners and asks further, thus
68.36 What has happened with you? How do you judge?
Yet he does not heed to the angry call of Allah; but continues to judging the people, drowning himself further deep in his sin. Allah keeps asking him for proofs from the Book, whether he was authorized to judge the faith of the people; but he is not in the earshot.
68.37 Or have ye a scripture wherein ye learn?
He has become deaf in the ear and his heart has hardened; the foremost sinner not to hear anymore admonition from God. But Allah continues to reach the sinner;
68.38 That you have surely therein what you choose?
Gone, far away is he! He is the loser both in this world and in the hereafter.
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Is the foremost sinner perchance one who says Allah is the Ultimate and sole power, creator of everything absolutely whatsoever? Is the blessed one he who says that Allah is not the creator of everything and the jinn are partners in creation creating what Allah did not create and to reject certain gifts of Allah because Allah in fact did not create them or educate people in them and all this can be yours for the price of 2000USD.
Is the Quran the one that says villains are sent with Fancy words in order to decieve? Yet is one who says Allah is creator of everything the Deceiver or the one who says Allah is not the creator of everything but only some things.
Is it that Allah is angry being called the Ultimate and would prefer that it is stated instead that Allah is not the Ultimate but the Ultimate differs from Allah since Allah is not determiner of all things?
Is it that the Quran told the people Do not discern between the people who is in the right and who is in the wrong, do not Identify wrongdoing or shirk or criminal activity nor use your discernment to catch out the falsehood but swallow every liar who says Allah is not the creator of everything and charges 2000USD for this. Say nothing to them and allow them to continue their holy work of spreading shirk and robbing the poor and telling the ignorant not to fight disease because you are not to identify danger or criminality nor have any laws or take any action to speak out against anything. Yeah, I think I am starting to recall that verse but maybe you could find it for me for a small sum. Allow me to empty my pockets before you.
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'ALL IS FROM GOD The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'
Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
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Let me quote a message from this very thread which answer, I think, your question
Quote from FreedomStands on August 02, 2015, 120914 PM
That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it,
"That is the very point that has to be made.
Wrong and bad are human measures, (they are not even for animals or stones), not for God. God does not do right and wrong. He is God, He is not going to suffer any consequences of infringring any laws, because he is the law and everything is within His kingdom. He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.
BUT
He tells us He is fair, just, equitable, merciful and ALLPOWERFUL, therefore whatever thing he does to us that we consider bad or wrong, it is in God's power to turn into bliss and glory. We will not be shortchanged. Therefore we cannot say that God wrongs us. We may not approve of it, but we can do nothing about it. But we can accpet his rulings with grace and thank for having an existence. That we could not give to ourselves, therefore, even for us God is even more than the best, He is Everything.
It is us who live in the kindom of right and wrong, bad and good, purity and evil. Those are words for us, not for Him. Those are words for the laws that apply for us, a creation of His. They do not apply to Him.
Huwa Al-lahu ahad,
allahu samad
lam yakid wa lam yulad
wa
lam yakllahu kufwan ahadSalaam al Quddus
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God deceives so that unworthy people commit sin in their delusion, but God did not do sin. This life is a sifting process under harsh conditions.
God is actually not evil minded at all but rather the opposite if you get to know Him, but expects people to be something and have intelligence.
Be well
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'ALL IS FROM GOD The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'
Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.Because your not keeping quiet is also from God. Please think to the end limits. There is no "why", it is as God wills. Including our opposition to one another for example, everything, ALL, not "some". Why is it no one can comprehend "All is from God" that IS the Ayat.
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'ALL IS FROM GOD The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'
Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.To say "God did this BECAUSE" in an Ultimate sense, means "God was driven by some cause" but when you are at the Ultimate level truly, there is no "cause" except God's own free will, to will freely, there are no conditions present to drive God to do this or that, God is beyond all that.
If one says "some things are not from God" that goes against "All is from God" and "God created everything, you and what you make" and many other verses, but more importantly, even if the Qur'an says or seems to say otherwise, it is a matter of having a clear understanding. If the Qur'an said "the Ultimate is not the Ultimate, but God is driven like a slave" are we to just believe it? It would be a lie. This is why a person has to understand first, then their understanding and interpretation choices will be more correct hopefully.
When someone says "All is not really from God" they are saying "God is not the determiner or creator of everything, there are other determiners and creators besides God" not only is this shirk by its usual definition, but the implication in it for one who thinks to the end limits is "If things can freely go this way or that way, or even if there are two choices with strict results but can go either this way or that way and God does not determine what a person does, then the power of "chance" is what God is relying on to determine, and thus "chance" is the Ultimate determiner, and not God"
It is thus simply shifting away from God the title of Ultimate, but the Ultimate will always be there no matter what you call it, but if you make your God lesser than the Ultimate you are worshiping and adoring the wrong thing, only the Ultimate should be called God, and if your God is not by definition or implication the Ultimate, then it is not to me God at all, and should be despised as a false concept lesser than the Ultimate and being worshiped in vain, idolatry, and hypocrisy.
Do you understand?
I've posted many ayats, if ayats are what you want, but you need to understand ayats do not matter at all. Why do I say that? I say that because many people interpret ayats incorrectly, because they do not have a proper reasoning ability or taking things to the end limit in their understandings. Ayats don't matter because if an Ayat SEEMS to say something, it doesn't mean that it is true, like if an ayat SEEMS to say "God doesn't determine everything" then by implications such an interpretation is shirk, and logically false also and linguistically, what is being called God then is not the "Greatest" by definition. Is any of this processing for you?
Ayats can be found here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0 and here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371947#msg371947
In the above, drfazl attributes other creators to things and then insists these things are not from God but clearly is saying they are strictly from others than God. This makes him a huge mushrik, even if he doesn't comprehend why. Besides all his shirk, he does many more evil things than that which are exposed gradually throughout the thread, so you may do well to read from that point on-wards.
drfazl denies this in many ways, stating directly that what is being said here is "wrong", such as here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373120#msg373120
calling the ayats "flooding the page" here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371963#msg371963
The denial of what I say, even in the smallest micro-measurement, means shirk and logical error, I've narrowed it down explicitly and looked at all the implications, and I do not deny the implications of what I am saying, and can clearly explain why I am saying it, it isn't just for fun, people need to face this and see what their answer is to facing this.
Saying "wrong" is not an answer, because I am only telling people the logical implications of what they are saying, it isn't "wrong". It is like 1+1=2. Only a jerk responds to that "wrong".