If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

[Man_of_Faith]

God deceives so that unworthy people commit sin in their delusion, but God did not do sin. This life is a sifting process under harsh conditions.

God is actually not evil minded at all but rather the opposite if you get to know Him, but expects people to be something and have intelligence.

Be well

[FreedomStands]

'ALL IS FROM GOD The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'

Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.

Because your not keeping quiet is also from God. Please think to the end limits. There is no "why", it is as God wills. Including our opposition to one another for example, everything, ALL, not "some". Why is it no one can comprehend "All is from God" that IS the Ayat.

[FreedomStands]

'ALL IS FROM GOD The good from God is FROM GOD, the evil from yourselves IS FROM GOD, ALL IS FROM GOD'

Can you explain me why god created good & bad?
why evil from me or you or someone else?
if the evil from man is from god, why me or you or some body are abusing?punishing?
why we are not keep quiet since evil also from god?
can you reply based on quran ayat.

To say "God did this BECAUSE" in an Ultimate sense, means "God was driven by some cause" but when you are at the Ultimate level truly, there is no "cause" except God's own free will, to will freely, there are no conditions present to drive God to do this or that, God is beyond all that.

If one says "some things are not from God" that goes against "All is from God" and "God created everything, you and what you make" and many other verses, but more importantly, even if the Qur'an says or seems to say otherwise, it is a matter of having a clear understanding. If the Qur'an said "the Ultimate is not the Ultimate, but God is driven like a slave" are we to just believe it? It would be a lie. This is why a person has to understand first, then their understanding and interpretation choices will be more correct hopefully.

When someone says "All is not really from God" they are saying "God is not the determiner or creator of everything, there are other determiners and creators besides God" not only is this shirk by its usual definition, but the implication in it for one who thinks to the end limits is "If things can freely go this way or that way, or even if there are two choices with strict results but can go either this way or that way and God does not determine what a person does, then the power of "chance" is what God is relying on to determine, and thus "chance" is the Ultimate determiner, and not God"

It is thus simply shifting away from God the title of Ultimate, but the Ultimate will always be there no matter what you call it, but if you make your God lesser than the Ultimate you are worshiping and adoring the wrong thing, only the Ultimate should be called God, and if your God is not by definition or implication the Ultimate, then it is not to me God at all, and should be despised as a false concept lesser than the Ultimate and being worshiped in vain, idolatry, and hypocrisy.

Do you understand?

I've posted many ayats, if ayats are what you want, but you need to understand ayats do not matter at all. Why do I say that? I say that because many people interpret ayats incorrectly, because they do not have a proper reasoning ability or taking things to the end limit in their understandings. Ayats don't matter because if an Ayat SEEMS to say something, it doesn't mean that it is true, like if an ayat SEEMS to say "God doesn't determine everything" then by implications such an interpretation is shirk, and logically false also and linguistically, what is being called God then is not the "Greatest" by definition. Is any of this processing for you?

Ayats can be found here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0 and here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371947#msg371947

In the above, drfazl attributes other creators to things and then insists these things are not from God but clearly is saying they are strictly from others than God. This makes him a huge mushrik, even if he doesn't comprehend why. Besides all his shirk, he does many more evil things than that which are exposed gradually throughout the thread, so you may do well to read from that point on-wards.

drfazl denies this in many ways, stating directly that what is being said here is "wrong", such as here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373120#msg373120

calling the ayats "flooding the page" here

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371963#msg371963

The denial of what I say, even in the smallest micro-measurement, means shirk and logical error, I've narrowed it down explicitly and looked at all the implications, and I do not deny the implications of what I am saying, and can clearly explain why I am saying it, it isn't just for fun, people need to face this and see what their answer is to facing this.

Saying "wrong" is not an answer, because I am only telling people the logical implications of what they are saying, it isn't "wrong". It is like 1+1=2. Only a jerk responds to that "wrong".

[huruf]

Let us see. God is all there is. We are his creatures. As soon as God wills we will never have existed. Or we will have eixsted a second. It is all God, all there is. We are dreams (metaphorically a way of speaking, a say that because somebody sked another time where it was said in the Qur'an that God dreamt) That is. we have no existence by ourselves.

So God says something to us, for us, not for him he does not damned need anything from us and whatever He wants he can get without dropping us a word. But the way He has wanted it is that we know Him. A little. So he tells us about Himself, and about the kind of creatures we are and the destiny he has made for us. It is on those terms, in the terms of our existence as His creatures how he speaks to us.

Man of Faith said "but God did not do sin"

Of course God did no sin, just as however we become engrossed in deep thought and become very progressive there is no way that mice are going to pass a math exam.

Sin, or whatever word we want to use for guilt, is for us human, neither God nor mice have anything with it. Sin, error, evil, mistake or whatever are terms for us to go through our destiny. They are exclusively human or jinn terms, not for anybody else. It is for us that those terms have meaning. Our accounts have to square as the creatures that we are, not as the creatures that we are not. And to square them God gives us guidance.

God does not owe us anything whatsoever. He made us, not us Him. He can, we cannot. But he tells us about Himself, his beatuful neames, the names of power, frightening, the names of beauty hopeful and apeasing. We have to know which names we are going to invoke Him with, because those are His names and He tells us that He answers and those who have faith and have asked from him and trusted God have not been deceived. We can try it ourselves.

Now, what our friend Freedoms... has been arguing is that God creates everything even our deeds, and that is what the Qur'an says.

So the question it seems that makes people rebel or be doubtful or be shocked, is that how can God then punish those who do wrong things for themselves (it is always for themselves, to God we can do no harm whatsoever, nor frustrate him, he is not a father for that) when He is at the origin of their deeds.

Fine, God creates what he wills. He tells us so. He also tells us that he is equitable, fair, MERCIFUL, FULL OF COMPASSION, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE COMPASSIONATE. That is His name, one of his names. ?Do we petend that we are more compassionate than He is? Surely not. Therefore he is just, equitable compassionate, and tels us time and again that nobody will be shortchanged. If we feel we suffer something unbearable, He will compensate in such a maner that we will not feel shortchanged.

Do we agree that we should suffer even if we will after be compensated generously? Fine. Do we not agree? Too bad for us. God is the owner, he can make us dissapear and never have existed, so. What can we do? We do not have any problem. Our only problem is to learn to be faithful creatures of God. Subservient, of course.

Were we to be subservient to another human being, we would be cowards without dignity. Being subservient o a Being, the being that is compassionate that loves us such as we are, yes such as we are, because he could choose not to make us, like our fathers who may be wanted someone better than us, but God made us just as we are, indeed, so, if we return a bit of faithfullness in this life for a life that is going to be rewarding beyond belief to a Being that loves us, there is no indignity in it, but truthfulness. Being what he made of us is being the subject of his will, of His love.

If any human being met a lover that could be so generous, so truthful, so beatiful, we would be delighted- Of course, such a lover doesn't fall for a coward or a lazy one who won'tbattle his o her life... If such a lover loves one really indeed what he or she will do with us is not leave us in peace till we grow to our true measure of full human an courageous being...

Well something like that

That is the end of the story, God make make our life difficult but will be the most generous director we could dream of having. And finally everything's destiny is to return to Him, to subsume in His consciousness. Glory.

Salaam

[FreedomStands]

Let us see. God is all there is. We are his creatures. As soon as God wills we will never have existed. Or we will have eixsted a second. It is all God, all there is. We are dreams (metaphorically a way of speaking, a say that because somebody sked another time where it was said in the Qur'an that God dreamt) That is. we have no existence by ourselves.

So God says something to us, for us, not for him he does not damned need anything from us and whatever He wants he can get without dropping us a word. But the way He has wanted it is that we know Him. A little. So he tells us about Himself, and about the kind of creatures we are and the destiny he has made for us. It is on those terms, in the terms of our existence as His creatures how he speaks to us.

Man of Faith said "but God did not do sin"

Of course God did no sin, just as however we become engrossed in deep thought and become very progressive there is no way that mice are going to pass a math exam.

Sin, or whatever word we want to use for guilt, is for us human, neither God nor mice have anything with it. Sin, error, evil, mistake or whatever are terms for us to go through our destiny. They are exclusively human or jinn terms, not for anybody else. It is for us that those terms have meaning. Our accounts have to square as the creatures that we are, not as the creatures that we are not. And to square them God gives us guidance.

God does not owe us anything whatsoever. He made us, not us Him. He can, we cannot. But he tells us about Himself, his beatuful neames, the names of power, frightening, the names of beauty hopeful and apeasing. We have to know which names we are going to invoke Him with, because those are His names and He tells us that He answers and those who have faith and have asked from him and trusted God have not been deceived. We can try it ourselves.

Now, what our friend Freedoms... has been arguing is that God creates everything even our deeds, and that is what the Qur'an says.

So the question it seems that makes people rebel or be doubtful or be shocked, is that how can God then punish those who do wrong things for themselves (it is always for themselves, to God we can do no harm whatsoever, nor frustrate him, he is not a father for that) when He is at the origin of their deeds.

Fine, God creates what he wills. He tells us so. He also tells us that he is equitable, fair, MERCIFUL, FULL OF COMPASSION, THE MOST COMPASSIONATE, THE COMPASSIONATE. That is His name, one of his names. ?Do we petend that we are more compassionate than He is? Surely not. Therefore he is just, equitable compassionate, and tels us time and again that nobody will be shortchanged. If we feel we suffer something unbearable, He will compensate in such a maner that we will not feel shortchanged.

Do we agree that we should suffer even if we will after be compensated generously? Fine. Do we not agree? Too bad for us. God is the owner, he can make us dissapear and never have existed, so. What can we do? We do not have any problem. Our only problem is to learn to be faithful creatures of God. Subservient, of course.

Were we to be subservient to another human being, we would be cowards without dignity. Being subservient o a Being, the being that is compassionate that loves us such as we are, yes such as we are, because he could choose not to make us, like our fathers who may be wanted someone better than us, but God made us just as we are, indeed, so, if we return a bit of faithfullness in this life for a life that is going to be rewarding beyond belief to a Being that loves us, there is no indignity in it, but truthfulness. Being what he made of us is being the subject of his will, of His love.

If any human being met a lover that could be so generous, so truthful, so beatiful, we would be delighted- Of course, such a lover doesn't fall for a coward or a lazy one who won'tbattle his o her life... If such a lover loves one really indeed what he or she will do with us is not leave us in peace till we grow to our true measure of full human an courageous being...

Well something like that

That is the end of the story, God make make our life difficult but will be the most generous director we could dream of having. And finally everything's destiny is to return to Him, to subsume in His consciousness. Glory.

Salaam

Look at that! Beautiful! If anyone wants to see what beauty looks like, it looks like that!

[FreedomStands]

Let us see.

What you performed is what I call "birdsong" it does not matter if they heed it at all, you became a vessel of the song of God, and performed a beautiful act of praise and worship. For this, you may be rewarded, and it is God who chose you for it and chose your words too.

It means nothing at all if they heed you or not, that would just be a pleasure and a relief for us possibly if they listened, but even if they don't the merit is in what you do and what you did. You spoke out, you fought for what is right, and you glorified Allah.

The glorification of Allah is speaking the absolute truth, which IS Allah, who can transform anything, so we look to the Eternal Ultimate as the one and only Truth.

No matter how old and tired you may be, speaking right and good is an honor to you and makes you a Valkyrie and a Princess, a noble one. The liars are disgraced, even if they appear wealthy and "blessed" with children and happy lives.

You represented your King, as a viceroy, speaking on behalf of the Government of God. These criminals do not do justice, Allah has demonstrated who the mutinous ones are. We speak on behalf of the Government of God, it is not a matter of liking it or disliking it, its a matter of facing the facts. We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth.

I urged huruf to speak up and speak out and she has done an AWESOME job. If she continues, she should know its an act for herself, and though we may all benefit from heeding what she says, even if none of us do, she has done a glorious thing for herself and will hopefully feel the joy even in reviewing her own praise.

Somehow, for True Muslims, the reading and re-reading of Truths regarding the Ultimate bring Peace and Relief to the heart, whereas Shirk brings happiness to the others, when they join with Allah by implication themselves, or other conceptual determiners or factors.

This is the distinction made between people like huruf and myself and you all.

Notice the difference of what you guys love saying and what we love saying. We are like two different creatures, two difference species. One is said to go to hell, the other to paradise, we'll see which is which, we may all end up in hell together, or paradise, and whatever is done is done only by Allah however it is done, the ONLY determining factor.

All my posts here and tireless work is mostly the praise of God, you can all defy it and it doesn't even matter, the sin is heaped on you, and if I am blamed for saying The Ultimate is the Ultimate, there is no other power but the Ultimate (the very CREED of Islam), then what can I do about it? I say it because it is True, it is logic, it is fact. Shall I lie instead by speaking what is not true just because it seems pleasant and I spare God from the implication of being responsible and in control of everything? That is like saying "oh, don't say the inventor invented it because he is ashamed of his invention and gets offended when people expose him" haha, shut up? You people are jokes to me.

What you would be best served doing on this website, is doing what I am doing, and what huruf did a little, reciting the Truth regarding the Only Truth. You think you are doing that, but you are not accounting for the implications of your statements, because you lack right brains. In other words, because you're dumb people.

There are not "many truths" in this regard, there is only ONE TRUTH, ONE RELIGION, and it Islam. It is present in the Hindu books, the Bible, and elsewhere, the same message repeatedly, and only one who ALREADY UNDERSTANDS can find what is right and discern what is wrong.

Song playing right now is Thumbhang by Anvil.

[huruf]

My God, Freedom, those are generous words you are saying about me. It makes it worthwhile to write the stuff. Hehe, like I was in Per? recently and a lady in the street I asked for directions when saying good bye to me she said. "Adios, mamacita linda" (Bye bye dear little beautiful mother). So now, I know, whenever I feel in low spirits I come to Per? on one side and on the other I write in free minds and get a real shot of high spirits.

Thak you.

Now, quoting a little

"We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth."

Indeed slaves, but not anybody's slaves. Slaves of the most loving, most generous, mos magnificent Lover, the one that wanted us just the way we are and who is capable of improving us without limit.

Subhanallah

Salaam

[FreedomStands]

My God, Freedom, those are generous words you are saying about me. It makes it worthwhile to write the stuff. Hehe, like I was in Per? recently and a lady in the street I asked for directions when saying good bye to me she said. "Adios, mamacita linda" (Bye bye dear little beautiful mother). So now, I know, whenever I feel in low spirits I come to Per? on one side and on the other I write in free minds and get a real shot of high spirits.

Thak you.

Now, quoting a little

"We are known as slaves. Those who do not wish to be slaves, are still slaves. We are exactly what the arrogant people dread, to be slavish and groveling before the Ultimate Power, we do so because we have no other hope to be saved from the Ultimate, and we surrender to the Truth."

Indeed slaves, but not anybody's slaves. Slaves of the most loving, most generous, mos magnificent Lover, the one that wanted us just the way we are and who is capable of improving us without limit.

Subhanallah

Salaam

Very true! I can't deny it! I'm really so happy you liked the compliments! It is always right to praise what is best!

[drfazl]

The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.

[huruf]

So, is it your fish in colours who creates your things in you or you are a creator yourself or things create themselves by themselves?

You make too much theater with so much shock but in fact you are not bringing up any solid explanation for the questions that have been raised.

Getting shocked and acting horrified is no substitute for explanations nor for making sense.

Who creats evil? or is it uncreated? Or evil exist by itself since ever? Or did Iblees create by himself?

Another show of shockedness might not be felt as sufficient answer by those who indeed want to have an answer along the line you seem to believe is the correct one.

Salaam

[unknownuser]

9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

What is a charity from money?

2219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say ?In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.? And they ask you how much they are to give, say ?The excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.

USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.

[FreedomStands]

The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.

The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.

Ah, then it appears we have identified the foremost sinner!

The Qur'an!

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No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah

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when it is God who has created you and all your handiwork?

Isaiah 457
I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and I create evil I the LORD do all these things.

Lamentations 338
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?

"atharva veda puts it very clearly,

"na dvitIyo na tR^itIyashchaturtho nApyuchyate
na pa.nchamo na ShaShThaH saptamo nApyuchyate
nAShTamo na navamo dashamo nApyuchyate
ya etaM devamekavR^itaM veda"
There is none second to It, neither third not even fourth.
There is none fifth to It, neither sixth not even seventh.
There is none eighth to It, neither ninth not even tenth.
It is the only Supreme. This is to be known."

https//books.google.ca/books?id=ys9UXe2Qx14C&pg=PT135&lpg=PT135&dq=Bhagavad+Gita+All+things+come+from+God&source=bl&ots=obVKHwGEGz&sig=Zv-sbo_ZIUETETfUc-H2uIjDQq8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBmoVChMIo6GUn6iWxwIVxlyICh0bAQ6T#v=onepage&q=Bhagavad%20Gita%20All%20things%20come%20from%20God&f=false

"The idea of three bodies should not mislead us into thinking that there are three different entities. Dharmakaya and Sambhogakaya do not refer to entities so much as existential states of being, and only the Nirmanakaya body is created anew in physical form. Actually the three kayas are two bodies--the formless body and the body of form. Both the Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya are normally called the form bodies of the Buddha, while Dharmakaya is formless.

Dharmakaya is basically the embodiment of what is called twofold purity. In its primordial purity, Dharmakaya is completely empty and open"

"However, the three kayas are not completely independent of each other. They are always interrelated, and when they unfold fully, they are inseparable from each other. The Nirmanakaya and the Sambhogakaya basically manifest out of Dharmakaya; in other words, both of the form aspects of the Buddha's being are dependent on the formless body. The Dharmakaya is the origin or field on which the other two are grounded."

"When we call the Sambhogakaya a "form body," we do not mean physical form but instead form in the sense of manifesting and being determinate, as opposed to Dharmakaya, which is formless because it is not determinate. The Sambhogakaya is determinate because, although it is not physical, it does manifest in varieties of ways. If Sambhogakaya is fully realized, then one can receive different teachings and meanings from many natural sources, such as sound, sight, and so on.

Sambhogakaya in turn gives rise to Nirmanakaya, which is realized through the physical body, and embodies both the Sambhogakaya and the Dharmakaya aspects. Nirmanakaya is physical in its essence and is historically situated, so that when we talk about Buddha Shakyamuni attaining enlightenment in Bodh Gaya, giving teachings in Varanasi, and eventually attaining paranirvana in Kushinagar, we are describing his Nirmanakaya aspect.

Because the Buddha's Sambhogakaya and Dharmakaya aspects are not historically situated, we cannot attribute any kind of temporality to them. The Sambhogakaya teachings are not a personal matter, and in some sense they cannot even be said to be Buddhist. The Sambhogakaya has embodied its meanings right from the beginning, before the time of the Buddha. It embodies them now, and it will embody them again in the future, for the auspicious coincidence of time is never ceasing.

The iconographical figure of the Vajradhara in thangkas and elsewhere symbolizes the Sambhogakaya aspect in its primordial sense. Vajradhara means "holder of the vajra scepter," and the vajra signifies the perennial truthfulness of reality that is not subjected to change and that does not need to be updated. Like the vajra, truth cannot be relativized and made into something that is conditional. It is a reality that is perennially true. As the symbol of Sambhogakaya, Vajradhara is an ahistorical phenomenon and is perceptible only to people with extraordinarily lucid and perceptive minds."

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And in everything have We created opposites, so that you might bear in mind

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"from the evil that He has created,

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The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created everything whatsoever and is Aware of all things?

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How could it be that He who has created should not know ? Yea, He alone is unfathomable, aware!

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He to whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom. He created everything and determined it most exactly.
253 But they have adopted powers apart from Him which do not create anything but are themselves created. They have no power to do evil or good themselves. They have no power over death or life or resurrection.

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Truly, We determined whatever is in and on the earth as adornment for it so that We prove/make manifest with it as to which of them is best in action.

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He it is who has created for you all that is on earth, and has applied His design to the heavens and fashioned them into seven heavens; and He alone has full knowledge of everything.

379
while God created you and what you do?

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And your Lord creates what He wills and chooses. Not they have for them the choice. Glory be (to) Allah and High is He above what they associate (with Him as other creators and choosers).

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Then, after this woe, He sent down upon you a sense of security, an inner calm which enfolded some of you, whereas the others, who cared mainly for themselves, entertained wrong thoughts about God - thoughts of pagan ignorance - saying, "Did we, then, have any power of decision?" Say "Verily, all power of decision does rest with God" - they are trying to conceal within themselves that which they would not reveal unto thee, saying, "If we had any power of decision, we would not have left so many dead behind." Say "Even if you had remained in your homes, those whose death had been ordained would indeed have gone forth to the places where they were destined to lie down." And so that God might prove/make manifest all that you harbour in your bosoms, and render your innermost hearts pure of all dross for God is aware of what is in the hearts .

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God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the Universe and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He determines? He knoweth what (app eareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is t he Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

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Say, "I have no power for myself (to) good/benefit and no (power to) evil/harm, except what Allah wills. And if I would know (of) the unseen surely I could have multiplied of the good and not (could) have touched me the evil. I am not except a warner and a bearer of good tidings to a people who believe."

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Every soul must taste of death, and We prove you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned.

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For We determine; and We are the best to determine

737 whereas by day a long chain of doings is thy portion.
738 But remember thy Sustainer's name, and devote thyself unto Him with utter devotion.
739 The Sustainer of the east and the west there is no power save Him hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,
7310 and endure with patience whatever people may say , and avoid them with a comely avoidance.
7311 And leave Me alone with those who give the lie to the truth - those who enjoy the blessings of life - and bear thou with them for a little while

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GOD is the Creator of all things, and He alone has the power to determine the fate of all things.

873
and who determines the nature , and thereupon guides it ,

172
And We vouchsafed revelation unto Moses, and made it a guidance for the children of Israel, "Do not ascribe to any but Me the power to determine your fate,

739
The Sustainer of the east and the west there is no power save Him hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,

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God is the Creator of all things, He has charge of everything;

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they, too, gave the lie to all Our messages and thereupon We took them to task as only the Almighty, who determines all things, can take to task.

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And not you will except what wills Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

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And you do not even will anything except whatever wills Allah, Lord (of) the worlds.

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Saying Make thou long coats of mail and measure the links (thereof). And do ye right. Lo! I am Seer of what ye do.

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And His are the lofty ships that sail like mountains through the seas.

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YOUR SUSTAINER is He who causes ships to move onward for you through the sea, so that you might go about in quest of some of His bounty verily, a dispenser of grace is He unto you.

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Lo! Allah! He it is that giveth livelihood, the Lord of unbreakable might.

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If Allah afflicteth thee with some evil, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his slaves. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.

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Say Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth evil for you, or intendeth mercy for you. They will not find that they have any friend or helper other than Allah.

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O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!
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No true understanding of God have they for, verily, God is most powerful, almighty!

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Then when he reached the (age of) working with him he said, "O my son! Indeed, I have seen in the dream that I am sacrificing you, so look what you see." He said, "O my father! Do what you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the patient ones.

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DO THEY, perchance, say, ?He has attributed his own lying inventions to God?? But then, had God so willed, He could have sealed thy heart for God blots out all falsehood, and by His words proves the truth to be true. Verily, He has full knowledge of what is in the hearts ;

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And (do) not say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow."
Except, "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget and say, "Perhaps will guide me my Lord to a nearer (way) than this right way."

GET IT? NOT YET?

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Indeed, you (can) not guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He (is) most knowing (of) the guided ones.

[FreedomStands]

Ah, then it appears we have identified the foremost sinner!

The Qur'an!

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No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah

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when it is God who has created you and all your handiwork?

Isaiah 457
I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and I create evil I the LORD do all these things.

Lamentations 338
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come?

"atharva veda puts it very clearly,

"na dvitIyo na tR^itIyashchaturtho nApyuchyate
na pa.nchamo na ShaShThaH saptamo nApyuchyate
nAShTamo na navamo dashamo nApyuchyate
ya etaM devamekavR^itaM veda"
There is none second to It, neither third not even fourth.
There is none fifth to It, neither sixth not even seventh.
There is none eighth to It, neither ninth not even tenth.
It is the only Supreme. This is to be known."

https//books.google.ca/books?id=ys9UXe2Qx14C&pg=PT135&lpg=PT135&dq=Bhagavad+Gita+All+things+come+from+God&source=bl&ots=obVKHwGEGz&sig=Zv-sbo_ZIUETETfUc-H2uIjDQq8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBmoVChMIo6GUn6iWxwIVxlyICh0bAQ6T#v=onepage&q=Bhagavad%20Gita%20All%20things%20come%20from%20God&f=false

"The idea of three bodies should not mislead us into thinking that there are three different entities. Dharmakaya and Sambhogakaya do not refer to entities so much as existential states of being, and only the Nirmanakaya body is created anew in physical form. Actually the three kayas are two bodies--the formless body and the body of form. Both the Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya are normally called the form bodies of the Buddha, while Dharmakaya is formless.

Dharmakaya is basically the embodiment of what is called twofold purity. In its primordial purity, Dharmakaya is completely empty and open"

"However, the three kayas are not completely independent of each other. They are always interrelated, and when they unfold fully, they are inseparable from each other. The Nirmanakaya and the Sambhogakaya basically manifest out of Dharmakaya; in other words, both of the form aspects of the Buddha's being are dependent on the formless body. The Dharmakaya is the origin or field on which the other two are grounded."

"When we call the Sambhogakaya a "form body," we do not mean physical form but instead form in the sense of manifesting and being determinate, as opposed to Dharmakaya, which is formless because it is not determinate. The Sambhogakaya is determinate because, although it is not physical, it does manifest in varieties of ways. If Sambhogakaya is fully realized, then one can receive different teachings and meanings from many natural sources, such as sound, sight, and so on.

Sambhogakaya in turn gives rise to Nirmanakaya, which is realized through the physical body, and embodies both the Sambhogakaya and the Dharmakaya aspects. Nirmanakaya is physical in its essence and is historically situated, so that when we talk about Buddha Shakyamuni attaining enlightenment in Bodh Gaya, giving teachings in Varanasi, and eventually attaining paranirvana in Kushinagar, we are describing his Nirmanakaya aspect.

Because the Buddha's Sambhogakaya and Dharmakaya aspects are not historically situated, we cannot attribute any kind of temporality to them. The Sambhogakaya teachings are not a personal matter, and in some sense they cannot even be said to be Buddhist. The Sambhogakaya has embodied its meanings right from the beginning, before the time of the Buddha. It embodies them now, and it will embody them again in the future, for the auspicious coincidence of time is never ceasing.

The iconographical figure of the Vajradhara in thangkas and elsewhere symbolizes the Sambhogakaya aspect in its primordial sense. Vajradhara means "holder of the vajra scepter," and the vajra signifies the perennial truthfulness of reality that is not subjected to change and that does not need to be updated. Like the vajra, truth cannot be relativized and made into something that is conditional. It is a reality that is perennially true. As the symbol of Sambhogakaya, Vajradhara is an ahistorical phenomenon and is perceptible only to people with extraordinarily lucid and perceptive minds."

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And in everything have We created opposites, so that you might bear in mind

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"from the evil that He has created,

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The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created everything whatsoever and is Aware of all things?

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How could it be that He who has created should not know ? Yea, He alone is unfathomable, aware!

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He to whom the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs. He does not have a son and He has no partner in the Kingdom. He created everything and determined it most exactly.
253 But they have adopted powers apart from Him which do not create anything but are themselves created. They have no power to do evil or good themselves. They have no power over death or life or resurrection.

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Truly, We determined whatever is in and on the earth as adornment for it so that We prove/make manifest with it as to which of them is best in action.

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He it is who has created for you all that is on earth, and has applied His design to the heavens and fashioned them into seven heavens; and He alone has full knowledge of everything.

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while God created you and what you do?

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And your Lord creates what He wills and chooses. Not they have for them the choice. Glory be (to) Allah and High is He above what they associate (with Him as other creators and choosers).

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Then, after this woe, He sent down upon you a sense of security, an inner calm which enfolded some of you, whereas the others, who cared mainly for themselves, entertained wrong thoughts about God - thoughts of pagan ignorance - saying, "Did we, then, have any power of decision?" Say "Verily, all power of decision does rest with God" - they are trying to conceal within themselves that which they would not reveal unto thee, saying, "If we had any power of decision, we would not have left so many dead behind." Say "Even if you had remained in your homes, those whose death had been ordained would indeed have gone forth to the places where they were destined to lie down." And so that God might prove/make manifest all that you harbour in your bosoms, and render your innermost hearts pure of all dross for God is aware of what is in the hearts .

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God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the Universe and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He determines? He knoweth what (app eareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is t he Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

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Say, "I have no power for myself (to) good/benefit and no (power to) evil/harm, except what Allah wills. And if I would know (of) the unseen surely I could have multiplied of the good and not (could) have touched me the evil. I am not except a warner and a bearer of good tidings to a people who believe."

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Every soul must taste of death, and We prove you with evil and with good, for ordeal. And unto Us ye will be returned.

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For We determine; and We are the best to determine

737 whereas by day a long chain of doings is thy portion.
738 But remember thy Sustainer's name, and devote thyself unto Him with utter devotion.
739 The Sustainer of the east and the west there is no power save Him hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,
7310 and endure with patience whatever people may say , and avoid them with a comely avoidance.
7311 And leave Me alone with those who give the lie to the truth - those who enjoy the blessings of life - and bear thou with them for a little while

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GOD is the Creator of all things, and He alone has the power to determine the fate of all things.

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and who determines the nature , and thereupon guides it ,

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And We vouchsafed revelation unto Moses, and made it a guidance for the children of Israel, "Do not ascribe to any but Me the power to determine your fate,

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The Sustainer of the east and the west there is no power save Him hence, ascribe to Him alone the power to determine thy fate,

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God is the Creator of all things, He has charge of everything;

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they, too, gave the lie to all Our messages and thereupon We took them to task as only the Almighty, who determines all things, can take to task.

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And not you will except what wills Allah. Indeed, Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.

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And you do not even will anything except whatever wills Allah, Lord (of) the worlds.

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Saying Make thou long coats of mail and measure the links (thereof). And do ye right. Lo! I am Seer of what ye do.

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And His are the lofty ships that sail like mountains through the seas.

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YOUR SUSTAINER is He who causes ships to move onward for you through the sea, so that you might go about in quest of some of His bounty verily, a dispenser of grace is He unto you.

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Lo! Allah! He it is that giveth livelihood, the Lord of unbreakable might.

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If Allah afflicteth thee with some evil, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his slaves. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.

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Say Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth evil for you, or intendeth mercy for you. They will not find that they have any friend or helper other than Allah.

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O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from it. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!
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No true understanding of God have they for, verily, God is most powerful, almighty!

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Then when he reached the (age of) working with him he said, "O my son! Indeed, I have seen in the dream that I am sacrificing you, so look what you see." He said, "O my father! Do what you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the patient ones.

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DO THEY, perchance, say, ?He has attributed his own lying inventions to God?? But then, had God so willed, He could have sealed thy heart for God blots out all falsehood, and by His words proves the truth to be true. Verily, He has full knowledge of what is in the hearts ;

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And (do) not say of anything, "Indeed, I will do that tomorrow."
Except, "If Allah wills." And remember your Lord when you forget and say, "Perhaps will guide me my Lord to a nearer (way) than this right way."

GET IT? NOT YET?

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Indeed, you (can) not guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He (is) most knowing (of) the guided ones.

Now that you have identified the foremost sinner, how much shall we all pay you? 2000USD each?

[DrGm]

9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

if this verse do not fit in any context other than this is as good as nullified.

[JavaLatte]

Yeah, remember how when people are ganging up on me or saying something I am saying is bad, without explanation, you take the opportunity to join up and try to kick me at that time saying "I am glad you said this" and stuff like that, its just a bad habit a little bit, I was bringing it up for that reason because many people are like that.

Take the opportunity?!? elektro Could you clean your mind?

If people say/do things which I think is good, then of course it could make me feel glad.

I'm not really good at English (I'm not excel in language subject), I think that compare to you and the other members, it could need more (or much more) time for me to prepare my post, to arrange words, to make sentences, to correct them, so if there are other people who already told you or gave you advice about something right, then of course that's something nice for me (it could ease my burden, I guess).

If people reminding each other to follow/do the right thing (do you know about "amar ma'ruf nahi munkar"? - I like it), that is something which usually makes me happy/glad.

Even though I myself cannot always do that (amar ma'ruf nahi munkar), but actually, I don't like apathy, I think it is not right if we just ignore wickedness/deceits/injustice (evil things) in front of us.

I think silence is not always golden.

[drfazl]

Not only you A.W, but anyone with inner sense shall know none can afford that money; cannot even imagine to pay that amount even if they are rich; and I cannot rob them of their money; and I cannot force them to pay; and I cannot even bargain money in exchange for the cure; but I have to deliver to the patients the Sign of Cure and prove to them that Allah is true to His Promise to them, Who says, "It is Ok, you will be alright, if only you believe Me and Me alone, without shirk of medicines", when I have that wisdom and proof. I think now you will know whether I can get the money at all from these patients - but my duty is to deliver.

It is not at all difficult for one to comprehend if they are believers in the ayats of Allah, that Allah expands the provisions to whom He will; and straitens to whom He will.

13.26 Allah expands His provisions for whom He wills and restricts them to whom He will. And they rejoice in the worldly life, while the worldly life is not, compared to the Hereafter, except brief enjoyment.

A.W I am willing to talk to you, the essence of the ayats, so that Allah amplifies you with His Bounties - provided you do not join hands with the sinners, who can never understand nor touch even the Quran 56/79.

[FreedomStands]

9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.

If you read the Quran which is supposed to be read in its context in the first place, then it is obvious this verse is directed at prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

What is a charity from money?

2219 They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say ?In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.? And they ask you how much they are to give, say ?The excess.? It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think.

USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.

Finally something good from you. Come a little closer even, and you'll be a knight just like me. Perhaps Allah intends that you are purified of the last remnants of your shirk soon. I am not wrong in a single drop of what I am saying, and you will either conform or you will be a performer of shirk, it is just a matter of of 1+1=2, it has nothing to do with insulting Allah or Justice or anything like that.

Allah simply is the Ultimate, holding charge and sway over every action. The bowing of the heads, the getting up, the sleeping, the places we walk, the insects we deliberately or accidentally step on and the thoughts involved, our fully experience, ALL that is created and determined by Allah, and Allah chooses and Allah determines and Allah is the only one there is doing anything at all, and this is NOT a misunderstanding at all, and you will be on the wrong side of the fence until you agree wholeheartedly with it even if it sounds distasteful to you.

This will prove if you're a truly humble one or not. Arrogance is not in a boisterous comic knight, arrogance is in shirk and claiming YOU will, YOU decide, YOU determine if it goes this way or that way, which path you take, what you will do. You do not choose ANYTHING. That doesn't mean that you do not perceive an impression of choice and decisions occur and thought processes, all which are Allah creating and giving you those thoughts and their sequence and determining which you follow.

It isn't left up to you or "chance" at all, Allah is the only "Chance" we have. It isn't "I can choose this path, or I can choose that path, and if I choose this path then I determine the insect is crushed today rather than not". Do you understand? If you deny this, then you are still on the wrong side of the fence, no matter how noble you are, all your deeds will be wasted according to the Qur'an.

So you either conform exactly to what I am saying, in all humility, or you continue to deny it and hold on dearly to your candle which only gives you a little light into the nature of things.

I'm selling you illumination, the price isn't 2000USD but absolutely free, as Allah wills.

Allah is offering you the truth, will you keep slapping it away?

Allah alone is the determiner of all things, the Ultimate, you are in a state of surrender willingly or unwillingly, you have no choice, nor can you save yourself, nor can you choose good or evil, but it will appear to you if ALLAH WILLS that you are choosing, and that is all part of Allah's creating and determining, you do not have an existence, you are NOTHING but what Allah SAYS you are. Do you understand?

If you say you choose, you are saying "it can go this way or that way, I decide truly, Allah leaves it to me" and what that translates to is "it is up to Chance to decide if I do this or that".

Say "I am giving up my prior statements of shirk, I surrender to what FreedomStands is saying, he is truly correct and right in this, Allah is indeed the determiner of all things, creator of every motion and experience absolutely, the performer of all actions, the power behind all things, there is no power but Allah, there is no will but the will of Allah, there is no religion but the Surrender. I surrender, I surrender, I surrender. FreedomStands is now my brother truly, he spoke the truth by the will of Allah and helped me albeit incessantly and to my annoyance, in understanding the true nature of Allah. Allah does not "leave it up to us to choose, having created paths we determine which we walk on and the results are pre-calculated, I was so wrong, in fact the truth is Allah creates all that we say, do, think, and choose, and how we choose it is by Allah too, All is from God, God created all things whatsoever be they thoughts or deeds or the actions or choices and exactly what we will is chosen by Allah. I hope Allah keeps me on this straight way, as his devotee and a knight of the Eternal Truth".

The curse of Allah be upon you otherwise. It is "do or die". Will the sword of Truth knight you, or cut off your arms?

[drfazl]

61.2 O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do?

Allah warns and stops those who explain of Quran When he does not have a grant of proof from Allah, for whatever he says. You can find here the pages are flooded with ayats with no proof or explanation with the proof. Such are the most hated ones in the sight of Allah.

61.3 It is most hateful in the sight of Allah that ye say that which ye do not.

[FreedomStands]

Take the opportunity?!? elektro Could you clean your mind?

If people say/do things which I think is good, then of course it could make me feel glad.

I'm not really good at English (I'm not excel in language subject), I think that compare to you and the other members, it could need more (or much more) time for me to prepare my post, to arrange words, to make sentences, to correct them, so if there are other people who already told you or gave you advice about something right, then of course that's something nice for me (it could ease my burden, I guess).

If people reminding each other to follow/do the right thing (do you know about "amar ma'ruf nahi munkar"? - I like it), that is something which usually makes me happy/glad.

Even though I myself cannot always do that (amar ma'ruf nahi munkar), but actually, I don't like apathy, I think it is not right if we just ignore wickedness/deceits/injustice (evil things) in front of us.

I think silence is not always golden.

I agree totally with that.

I was just saying it appeared (maybe it is an English language issue) that when people would come and say to me, even jokingly like good logic did that I'm doing something wrong (he was kidding really), you would come along after and say stuff which translates to "yeah! you tell em!".

This happened multiple times, and it seemed to be a ganging up type mentality, especially considering that I am not saying anything wrong at all, even if my methods are controversial, opposing me is opposing the message that God is absolutely Ultimate, and because I hold on to that, I can not be wrong and anyone who says "yeah! you tell em! tell em he is wrong and bad! kick him! yeah!" is joining the side of evil. It may be that my English is such that it seems that I am saying wrong things, but the simplification of what I am typing is simply Allah is the Ultimate, creator, controller, determiner of all things whatsoever, there is no power other than Allah, no creator of anything other than Allah who even makes whatever we think we make or invent, and none who control anything but Allah, nor determine anything but Allah.

You can't find a "cleaner mind" than that.

The flat earth issue isn't important, but this is important. You either completely agree and completely conform to what I am saying absolutely (as you grow to understand it more) or you are performing shirk. There are no two ways about it.

I am saying 1+1=2. You can't just say "no" to that without being a liar and a miscreant proven.

Now if you say "Allah does not determine or choose all things" it is not dissimilar from the Hadith lovers who say idiotic things like "Allah does not look in bathrooms, is not present everywhere" out of their sense of piety, while they are performing a major sin by doing that because they are saying "Allah does not have all knowledge, is not encompassing all experience/information".

When you say (and I am not saying you have said this, but you may, like others, have flirted with this erroneous thought) "Allah does not determine or choose everything" you are saying "the people choose, Allah does not determine all things, but the people determine some things" and what that translates to is "it can go this way or that way" and what that translates to is "it is left up to the power known as "Chance", "Chance" actually determines, and Allah looks to Chance to see what Chance determines.

This is simple linguistics and mathematics, it has nothing to do with piety of saying "How can I say Allah determines injustice be done", that is where the focus confuses people, because indeed Allah determines everything and creates everything, this is regardless of what the Qur'an ever seems to say, even though it says it too like all the scriptures tend to say, but I say "regardless" because it is the truth before all those books, it can never be otherwise at all because it is essential truth, meaning it is always "If one says God doesn't determine, they are saying it is determined not by God but another determiner", do you see? This is not a matter of lies, its a matter of proper language use and understanding the linguistic implications.

So you either completely conform or you are literally performing shirk.

I am not kidding and I am not wrong, nor am I "inventing a lie concerning Allah" I am merely speaking the MATH of it.

You can it say "Allah is Ultimate, creator and determiner of EVERYTHING WHATSOEVER" while also saying "Allah depends on other powers and actors and determiners, does not determine everything, did not create everything whatsoever, but only some things, or the initial things, then the rest are other lesser creators or makers, or the base materials are from God but not the acts or experiences or realities, or we choose them and so decide what God does" it is breaking all the definitions, it is going against itself, it is going against everything.

In the matter of the "flat earth" simply say "I do not know anything much, whether the Earth is flat or not is not very important, Allah can certainly make it that the Earth appears flat, and can make it that the Earth appears round, Allah knows, I do not know, and Allah is not bound to anything, but whatever is bound to be is by Allah alone".

That is the right way to say it.

Again, if you take this as arrogance and not help, and you deny it, it is the lack of humility in oneself to fail to heed the following statements "Allah alone is the Ultimate, creator of everything absolutely, the good, the bad, and the ugly, precisely as it is, nothing happens except as Allah wills, chooses, and determines".

I am not wrong in any of this. The answer to everything I say is "I surrender to Allah, I pray to Allah that I come to what is right and stay with what is right, I surrender to the truth that Allah is the chooser, the determiner, the will, the cause, the performer, the sole sovereign and the singular power of which there is no power either greater or even lesser, but we are all powerless absolutely and equal in powerlessness before Allah who is the sole power".

Nothing at all is wrong in that statement.

"I pray that Allah wills that I do good in this life, and receive good in this life and the afterlife". Nothing is wrong in that statement either. "If Allah does not will it, I will never achieve anything good whatsoever since I have no power whatsoever to even will or attain to good or decide on good or know what is good except as Allah wills".

This is correct thinking. Conform to it or fail. Don't say "Allah save me from what you are saying" because that is just ignorance and saying "keep me in the dark!"

Every single one of you will either conform to this or will fail, it is simple math.

Allah is proving who the Muslims are on this website and who the kaffirs are. It is simply a matter of a chemical being introduced into the water and the colors changing and showing, some green, some red.

It is all being made manifest, and then on Judgment day you will be shown about this perhaps and it may be explained to you what you were created to be, a kaffir, hypocrite, mushrik, jahil, or Muslim or what. Then Allah will place you where Allah wills, you have no choice in the matter, just like you never chose where or how you were born, what your livelihood was, what you drew, where you stepped, or anything else, even though of course included in everything is the impression of you thinking and deciding, and Allah creates whatever Allah wills, and does so free from being DRIVEN by anything because there is nothing to DRIVE Allah. Allah is SELF DRIVEN, SELF SUFFICIENT, not CAUSED to do anything, but the CAUSE of everything.

Correct your beliefs and conform 100%, I am not misguiding you. You can never go wrong saying "Allah is the Ultimate, there is no power except Allah" including ALL the implications that go with that, as compared to the implications that arise from saying "Allah did not create ALL things or determine ALL actions and choices".

The same goes for all of you. Every single one of you.

You are either on the straight path, or you are not, there are not "many paths" in this case, there is only THIS, what I am saying, which is the first step and basis of the right path and understanding Surrender.

If you divert from it even .00000000001 percent in understanding, you will be consequently implying SHIRK, and the Qur'an says basically your deeds will all be in vain, you will not be forgiven if you die like that, so it is imperative for your sake that you conform. Of course, you will NEVER conform except as Allah wills, and if you do not conform, it may be that the curse of Allah is upon you and you are destined for destruction, and Allah does as Allah wills, there is no one and nothing that can save you, not even yourself.

Does this sound bad to you? Will you formulate some opposition? Will you flee? or will you be my sister and a fellow fighter in the cause of Allah? You too are being offered the Knighthood.

[FreedomStands]

61.2 O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do?

Allah warns and stops those who explain of Quran When he does not have a grant of proof from Allah, for whatever he says. You can find here the pages are flooded with ayats with no proof or explanation with the proof. Such are the most hated ones in the sight of Allah.

61.3 It is most hateful in the sight of Allah that ye say that which ye do not.

Ah, I guess then that it was good that you said you rob the poor by taking 2000USD, in order to "say" and then follow that with "doing" your robbery.