If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Peace to all.
I have been following these posts for quite a while now. Been following drfazl's posts and his methods of treating patients through quran. Its very interesting and surprising to know people actually get cured without medicines or any surgeries. since the topic is now getting hotter day by day i thought i could make myself get clarified on some points.
Lets assume that if a person is suffering from coronary heart disease and he needs a bypass surgery. He doesnt want to be operated upon as the person is afraid of open heart surgery and he knows the side effects of it and he searches options other than surgery for his cure from this illness. He comes to know about drfazl's way of treatment and he sees him. 'IF' he gets cured of his problem ,wouldnt that be a miracle cure for him and allah has shown the righteous path for him?. What will he be thinking? He is saved from a open heart surgery and its morbidity. And he's also saved from endless,huge medical expenses which he has to afford all the rest of his life. I hope u guys know the cost of a bypass surgery in your respective countries. Its not cheap. Comes close to 5000 USD for the surgery alone and the medical expenses for him all his life is about 10 times that. So he just spends 2000 USD for his treatment and by allah's grace he is getting cured. Thats a cost you would anyhow give because its your life which is at stake. Whats the point then in pinpointing his fees alone? The final result is you enter allah's grace and for the rest of his life he is surrendered and submissive to allah and seek allah for all his needs.
2- Viceversa in allopathy, if the same person gets this surgery done and he is informed cured by the doctor who has operated upon him, wont the patient associate the doctor to a god? Isnt that open shirk? and above that i have seen so many people getting multiple bypass surgeries done due to failure of the graft. So what the doctor promised of his cure is a BLATANT LIE. Will this be the work of god? Seriously? I mean will this increase my belief in allah in anyway? If i truly believe in allah then allah shall show me the way to further increase my belief in him,which is what drfazl seems to be doing. This is (allopathic system) contradictory to what is in the quran.
These are few of the questions and thoughts in my mind. Wanted to share it with you all. Peace.
So , the patient has to pay 2000$ after he is cured of his heart disease without being done heart surgery or before cure when he meets drfazl?
No body associate the doctor to a god except few ignorant illiterates. Usually people pray to god even before and during surgery. These people does not rely only on doctors , let alone make shirk. They know that if Allah wills (except aetheists may be), only then the operation will be successful. So many patients die during and after surgery. Doctors also know that. Doctors are merely a tool. -
Why is there a 2000USD fee (on the poor people of Tamilnadu) for praying to Allah?
The doctor is performing a service, drfazl is not doing anything but praying to Allah.
If a doctor gets money and if the patient dies or if any disabling morbidity occurs to the patient, you call that a service? isnt that a gamble?
you pay hell a lot of money for chance/gamble.
If a believer truly believes in cure through prayer to allah alone(and if he gets the cure) and not associating the doctor with allah, isnt that is what called a true connection with god? Isnt that a service to the entire humanity.?"drfazl's prayer works, while my prayer doesn't work" that is definitely making drfazl an intercessor with Allah "Allah listens to drfazl, but doesn't listen to me".
Do you think drfazl is the only one whose prayer works? And i havent come across such a proclamation from his posts. Allah accepts a sincere prayer from whomsoever he is pleased with. So if a person prays and if its not accepted by allah, then it means allah is not pleased with his doings nor with his ways of praying. In that case he has to be guided towards proper way of praying the almighty to relieve of his sins,thereby his ilnesses. While typing these lines it struck me that it(the fees) can be called as an offering out of respect for his works in the path of the almighty. This is not intercession but its a guide to set right whats wrong in the ways of your prayer.
It is a grave sin to say "Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely", that is true shirk.
Coming to your line of thought,,,Do you pray?And if so what do you pray for?For peace ultimately right? If according to you,god is the creator of 'everything',then why would you pray for peace?...He created a situation for you,a problem,why do you want to come out of it?Then doesnt it imply that god wants himself not to be sought after.? Why should a god exist then?. In a simple plain proverbial way,"You reap what you sow". Basic. Is your concept is of any use to anybody? Prayers dont work because of such wrong concepts.
If you watch closely such misconceptions/misconcepts occur in societies.They start doing/preaching what they think is right.It goes the same for praying allah through quran to get cured/healed. They had to be 'taught' the ways to pray the almighty through only quran. Once they start living in the beautiful blessings of the almighty,they can start guiding others in the path of allah. -
pls ref my answer to mmkhan
Reply #791 ?
For me, that post shows further proof that you and drfazl are indeed untrustworthy.
I think if we truly listen to the messages of the Qur'an, then it's quite clear that drfazl and you (if you're indeed his accomplice) have committed fraud,
and I call it "Tipuan Murahan" in my language.
Btw, I wonder whether it is possible for the members to know "dummy accounts" - whether those are fake accounts?
If that is something important, maybe we should know which ones?
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9.103 Take of their wealth a freewill offering, to purify them and to cleanse them thereby, and pray for them; thy prayers are a comfort for them; God is All-hearing, All-knowing.
Is there any one who cares for this ayat? Who wants to interpret it? Of course the demon cannot. Any one else?
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9.103 Take of their wealth a freewill offering, to purify them and to cleanse them thereby, and pray for them; thy prayers are a comfort for them; God is All-hearing, All-knowing.
Is there any one who cares for this ayat? Who wants to interpret it? Of course the demon cannot. Any one else?
I guess its just me then. That verse seems to be well recognized as referring particularly to the Prophet (are you the Prophet? I've made a grave error in questioning you and your activities and shirk then eh?! Or would I treat them similarly and question their injustice?)
Even so, do you think the Prophet charged 2000USD to pray for people? Haha, maybe he was an incredibly evil man like yourself. I don't know.
Regardless, that revelation is not talking about you.
It is doubtful that the Prophet was going around robbing the poor and sick for prayers.
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Demon cannot touch Quran; never can he imagine to try out the meaning of 9103.
Please there should be some sane one to discuss.Are the majority of Muslims in the world demons to you? Probably. The majority of Muslims probably understand that verse is talking to a figure called Muhammed, who is considered the Prophet of Islam.
They also probably, when seeing that, don't imagine he was robbing the poor and sick for 2000USD (or what was equivalent back then in their economy) to pray to Allah.
They would also find it odd that he might make himself an intercessor with Allah, when the Qur'an is clear and sharp about intercessor's and intercessory prayers.
Noah could not save his own son, do you think it was due to a lack of faith on his part?
Muhammed was told he can not guide the one's he loves even. Was it that he was faithless?
Why not then, with your faith and love, can you not bring this demon to stop telling you "stop robbing the poor in exchange for anything drfazl, stop making yourself an intercessor"? Could it be that I tell you these things out of "faith and love" while your robbing of the poor is out of a lack of faith in God in fact? Why? Because if you were genuine, you would not need them to pay you so much in order to survive in the world, in fact you might lose a little weight and it might look good on you to be something other than a criminal thief who charges people for ALLAH'S WORK. Right?
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'Demon' never said 'Demons'
Made me laugh, and good response!
I'm glad you're back.
Why am I glad you're back? Because while you're busy with me, you at least aren't robbing the poor. This is how I mercifully protect you from further sin, but it is hard to know my love and care!
Now drink from the ____ of mercy, miracle child!
I had to censor the word "nipple" apparently. Jeez.
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Made me laugh, and good response!
I'm glad you're back.
Why am I glad you're back? Because while you're busy with me, you at least aren't robbing the poor. This is how I mercifully protect you from further sin, but it is hard to know my love and care!
Now drink of this cruel seeming mercy, miracle child! That you are simply being told not to do wrong!
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Oops, somehow re-posted that differently.
Hey! Whose will was that? Speak up people, who just willed that? I want to know which of you just willed that to happen! I know you're out there!
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announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.
drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim
Yes, drfazl teaches the Qur'an the way he lives. That is why he uses examples from the Qur'an to try to justify his asking money from the poor and sick to pray on their behalf as an intercessor, when prayer should never be charged for or religious thing, and even so it teaches a wrong lesson to the people who are already prone to taking humans as intercessors (in India). He even admitted they used to call him a "God" and he never stopped in that or fled from it, but has taken it to the next level with them and even robs them for it.
The people believe he has magic powers, and if he does, why doesn't he be a good boy and go and heal the people without charging them? Walk through the streets praying to God and everyone in Tamilnadu healed? Instead he eats wealth from the poor and sick and needy in an enormous amount (2000USD is expensive for Americans even, and he is charging the people of Tamilnadu).
I'm honored to be called a demon, is he honored to be called a bloated snake?
Why? Because in the olden days, they used to at times have a snake in a pit or a crocodile or something, which they gave "alms" to and fed until it reached an enormous size. This kind of creature is mentioned in the Bible, and was known to the Egyptians, and there are stories about other such creatures, it is a theme in some stories.
They would go to this creature to ask it to pray on their behalf before God, and would feed it in reward for its healing powers. It was often a "healing snake".
I am not calling him a snake for no reason, its a deep metaphor of an actual ancient practice.
He is exactly the incarnation of that.
People come to him, giving him an enormous sum of money, for him to pray and intercede and heal them.
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So , the patient has to pay 2000$ after he is cured of his heart disease without being done heart surgery or before cure when he meets drfazl?
No body associate the doctor to a god except few ignorant illiterates. Usually people pray to god even before and during surgery. These people does not rely only on doctors , let alone make shirk. They know that if Allah wills (except aetheists may be), only then the operation will be successful. So many patients die during and after surgery. Doctors also know that. Doctors are merely a tool.Exactly, just like drfazl is a tool in every sense of the word too. Except his prayers do nothing to "move" Allah.
Let us see what functions drfazl serves
drfazl serves the function of saying or implying to the people "Allah does not create everything".
drfazl serves the function of robbing those in desperation and sickness in exchange for "prayers" he utters, also giving them the impression of being an intercessor with God.
drfazl serves the function of teaching everyone what it is to be a spreader of shirk and criminal thievery of those in desperation, and of little wealth (since the Tamilnadu population are generally not very wealthy, where 2000USD is a huge sum even for Americans)drfazl also serves the function of encouraging the spread of disease among the people by saying "do not take any medicine, antibiotics, or medical measures to fight infections and disease"
drfazl is WITHOUT A DOUBT an agent of Allah. That does not mean he is good. Everyone is an agent and slave of Allah, serving the purpose Allah created for them to perform, and they do not fail in it in the slightest, because ALLAH does not fail in accomplishing EXACTLY as Allah wills, there is no diversion from it.
Likewise, the one known as "Demon" (that is me), is serving the function Allah intends too.
Can drfazl defy the will of Allah? Does drfazl control the will of Allah?
drfazl is the Slave of God. Just like all those who might enter the hellfire are God's slaves, and those who enter paradise as well.
To be the bound and fettered slave of God does not mean you are necessarily "good".
We see here drfazl, the robber of the poor, yet no poor person can be robbed by him or deceived by him except as Allah wills. He is just a tool.
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May Allah guide us in the right path
Im a doctor by profession. When i was doing my 2nd year in mbbs i had flashes of light in eyes and frequent blackout in my sight. Went to an ophthalmologist,he diagnosed it as retinal detachment and insisted me to do a laser surgery immediately or else i will lose my sight. At that time i came to know about dr.fazl through one of my friend who was already in this way for the past 5 years. I met him in person and he taught me about believing in the unseen god, the one god - allah. He guided me to read quran and how to apply its ayats in real life. Even though born as a hindu,i realised that im in a righteous way and shed my religious practices and customs. I was trying to be in the path of quran and to make allah as my only abode. I became a humanbeing rather than a person with religious identities. Ultimately my illness in my eyes reduced day by day and atlast my dis-ease changed into ease. Then i realised and strongly believed that all the diseases are because of the dis-ease of the mind. My husband also had a fracture in his arm and got cured by allah's mercy. There are many people in tamilnadu following this way and leading a peaceful life. Escaping from adversities of modern medicine and its side effects. Money is not everything in life, poor or rich, compared to the peaceful life we get through this way, any amount of money is worth spending in this cause. Not just 2000 USD even 20000 USD for that, if allah wishes so. Drfazl is not insisting the patient to pay money first but to pay whenever the patient is blessed with money and a will to pay. Poor or rich,he initially gets whatever the patient is able to afford.
HEY FREEDOM STANDS,you dont know whats going on here. Why do u keep talking about money? Did anybody from here complained u that drfazl is robbing their money? What do you know about us(people of tamilnadu)? Many people and families here in our state are living their life peacefully without any trace of a medicine in their blood for the past 15-20 years. Still more there are so many natural births taking place,truly natural, such that even the embryo hasnt seen a single speck of medicine throughout its growth in the uterus and eventually leading a purest form of life without vaccines and medicines. They are the living proofs for the demise of modern medicine. As a doctor i know the adverse effects of each drug and surgeries,how a patient suffers for the rest of their life. Can you atleast live for one year without taking a pill for any illness you suffer from? ,taking help only with quran and allah.
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HEY FREEDOM STANDS,you dont know whats going on here. Why do u keep talking about money? Did anybody from here complained u that drfazl is robbing their money? What do you know about us(people of tamilnadu)? Many people and families here in our state are living their life peacefully without any trace of a medicine in their blood for the past 15-20 years. Still more there are so many natural births taking place,truly natural, such that even the embryo hasnt seen a single speck of medicine throughout its growth in the uterus and eventually leading a purest form of life without vaccines and medicines. They are the living proofs for the demise of modern medicine. As a doctor i know the adverse effects of each drug and surgeries,how a patient suffers for the rest of their life. Can you atleast live for one year without taking a pill for any illness you suffer from? ,taking help only with quran and allah.
"HEY FREEDOM STANDS"
Hi there!
",you dont know whats going on here."
Ah, yes, do inform me!
"Why do u keep talking about money?"
Because no one should ask for money for "prayers" or the work of Allah, it is like charging money for "air". It is criminal fraud. Thank you for asking.
"Did anybody from here complained u that drfazl is robbing their money?"
Yes, there has been one person named FreedomStands who is complaining quite a bit about drfazl robbing those in need by selling them "prayers" and the work of Allah, this is criminal fraud, it can never rightfully be sold for a price, drfazl says Allah is doing the healing then why is drfazl getting paid? If drfazl says he is doing the healing or he has some "Share" with Allah as an intercessor on behalf of people, again he is doing shirk, and the payment for shirk is not 2000USD, it is a different price.
"What do you know about us(people of tamilnadu)?"
I know that you people of Tamilnadu might have a tendency towards idolatry, as did your ancestors, according to drfazl himself who said the people there tend towards taking people as Saints and Gods, an old tradition, was drfazl lying when he said this? Was history lying when they said the Tamilnadu people also have this tendency? It is a mercy of Allah, also known as Lord Shiva, that he is informing you of a better way, and maybe you will profit from the Auspicious One's recommendation that you leave off shirk. You will not be able to do it though except as Allah wills.
I am also aware that the Tamilnadu people are not in a condition economically where 2000USD is a small sum, especially considering 2000USD is a huge amount of money even in the USA, whereas the Tamilnadu has a much lower level of economy and money at this time so 2000USD is even huger over there. Even if drfazl charged 1 rupee or less, one micro unit, or a grain of grass for "prayers" that Allah performs and enacts, this would be a crime, even more so if he is saying he deserves such a payment, of even a grain of dust, because of some intercessory involvement of his. He is here to show you what it is to be an "accursed" one perhaps. So view it carefully. That does not mean the "prayers don't work", no, but Allah can make it appear to people in order that they are proven as harboring idolatrous thoughts or are promoters of shirk.
"Many people and families here in our state are living their life peacefully without any trace of a medicine in their blood for the past 15-20 years."
Good, I have no problem with people not having a trace of medicine in their blood. Why don't you read carefully what my issues are? Maybe you will learn something "Inba" and the same goes for "Raul" and the rest of you.
"Still more there are so many natural births taking place,truly natural, such that even the embryo hasnt seen a single speck of medicine throughout its growth in the uterus and eventually leading a purest form of life without vaccines and medicines."
That is fine. Even if there were to be medicines involved, Allah is the creator of everything, there is no other creator, try to get it past any idolatry that might be harbored in your skull. That does not mean "medicines are necessarily always good", that is not my argument here, if you would pay attention at all to what I am saying.
"They are the living proofs for the demise of modern medicine."
Fine by me, to hell with it. Do you think I have some problem with that? You have misread me entirely, so pay attention.
"As a doctor i know the adverse effects of each drug and surgeries,how a patient suffers for the rest of their life."
Yes, did you also get a PHD in shirk that tells you that Allah did not create everything whatsoever good and bad?
"Can you atleast live for one year without taking a pill for any illness you suffer from?"
lol I don't take medicines and I haven't taken them for a long time and I avoid them too. You don't understand my statements, pay attention, or is drfazl's bloated figure blocking your view?
",taking help only with quran and allah."
There is no help except through Allah (be it antibiotics or otherwise, All is from Allah, there is no such thing as "not from Allah, Allah didn't create this". Thus, 2000USD given to drfazl does not benefit you, but it does harm you by reducing your wealth. He has no part or "share" in the healing of you when it is "prayer" and Allah only doing it, so he defrauds people by taking money in this regard and is a criminal, a liar, and turns people towards shirk by saying "Allah did not create everything" and implying that he is some sort of intercessor with God who prays on behalf of people because their prayer doesn't work but his does or any other thoughts people may come to based on his actions.
Do you understand? Probably not.
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May Allah guide us in the right path
HEY FREEDOM STANDS,you dont know whats going on here. Why do u keep talking about money? Did anybody from here complained u that drfazl is robbing their money? What do you know about us(people of tamilnadu)? Many people and families here in our state are living their life peacefully without any trace of a medicine in their blood for the past 15-20 years. Still more there are so many natural births taking place,truly natural, such that even the embryo hasnt seen a single speck of medicine throughout its growth in the uterus and eventually leading a purest form of life without vaccines and medicines. They are the living proofs for the demise of modern medicine. As a doctor i know the adverse effects of each drug and surgeries,how a patient suffers for the rest of their life. Can you atleast live for one year without taking a pill for any illness you suffer from? ,taking help only with quran and allah.
Are you really a doctor? I doubt.
If you are a doctor , you should know that before modern medicine and even before Quran and Islam people were having natural birth and there was no medicine in their blood. All People were not dying of disease , because they were not even aware of Quran. Then what is the implication of modern medicine?
From Adam to 20th century total population of the world reached 1 billion. But in only last 100years population increased six fold to 6billion. why? Because of modern medicine. How?Before Thousands of People were dying of diseases like plague , cholera , malaria . Villages after villages , towns after towns were extinct In 19th century European population was halved due to plague. During wars most wounded soldiers were dying because of infection. Those things are not happening now because of modern medicine.
You are talking about vaccines. Do you know how many people were dying of small pox even 60-70 years ago? Now none. Is this fluke? Polio? Measles? Tetanus? Flu? I can go on and on describing how modern medicine bring benefit to human kind.
Don't talk rubbish like drfazl. I heard one of his lectures on you tube. He is talking the same rubbish like you. I doubt that he is a doctor. -
Are you really a doctor? I doubt.
If you are a doctor , you should know that before modern medicine and even before Quran and Islam people were having natural birth and there was no medicine in their blood. All People were not dying of disease , because they were not even aware of Quran. Then what is the implication of modern medicine?
From Adam to 20th century total population of the world reached 1 billion. But in only last 100years population increased six fold to 6billion. why? Because of modern medicine. How?Before Thousands of People were dying of diseases like plague , cholera , malaria . Villages after villages , towns after towns were extinct In 19th century European population was halved due to plague. During wars most wounded soldiers were dying because of infection. Those things are not happening now because of modern medicine.
You are talking about vaccines. Do you know how many people were dying of small pox even 60-70 years ago? Now none. Is this fluke? Polio? Measles? Tetanus? Flu? I can go on and on describing how modern medicine bring benefit to human kind.
Don't talk rubbish like drfazl. I heard one of his lectures on you tube. He is talking the same rubbish like you. I doubt that he is a doctor.Haha, the "How?" and "why?" stuff reminded me of me!
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