what % of Muslims have submitted their will to allah you think?

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Judgment is a central cognitive faculty of the rational human mind! Perhaps 'mis-judgment' is what the Lama (dude) meant!

An ex. of misjudgment would be judging a book by its cover.

The only road acceptable is of peace or righteousness - according to the quran surely! and not any other road.
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reel

Here's another quote about "Rahman" from Dalai Lama..

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Don't judge other people
Don't judge anything around you
Accept everyone as they are
Accept everything as it is
Only then you shall found your peace and happiness

Too bad Mr Lama doesn't practice what he preaches Dalai Lama "Life for Tibetans under Chinese rule has been "hell on Earth"

Now why did he say that?
This is because every human is programmed to be judgmental. But we are just not supposed to make it toxic.

Jafar

Too bad Mr Lama doesn't practice what he preaches Dalai Lama "Life for Tibetans under Chinese rule has been "hell on Earth"

What he says does contain truth in it.
Especially during Mao's rule.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Tibet in particular suffered severe persecution, nearly all the monasteries were destroyed, many monks and nuns were killed, and the general population were subjected to physical and psychological torture. There were an estimated 600,000 monks and nuns in Tibet in 1950, and by 1979, most of them were dead, disappeared or imprisoned. Despite official persecution, some local leaders and minority ethnic practices survived in remote regions.

And it's a hell on heart to not only for Tibetans, but the entire Chinese population in general.

Millions of people in China were violently persecuted during the Cultural Revolution. Those identified as spies, "running dogs", "revisionists", or coming from a suspect class (including those related to former landlords or rich peasants) were subject to beating, imprisonment, rape, torture, sustained and systematic harassment and abuse, seizure of property, denial of medical attention, and erasure of social identity. At least hundreds of thousands of people were murdered, starved, or worked to death. Millions more were forcibly displaced. Young people from the cities were forcibly moved to the countryside, where they were forced to abandon all forms of standard education in place of the propaganda teachings of the Communist Party of China.

reel

What he says does contain truth in it.
Especially during Mao's rule.
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

Tibet in particular suffered severe persecution, nearly all the monasteries were destroyed, many monks and nuns were killed, and the general population were subjected to physical and psychological torture. There were an estimated 600,000 monks and nuns in Tibet in 1950, and by 1979, most of them were dead, disappeared or imprisoned. Despite official persecution, some local leaders and minority ethnic practices survived in remote regions.

And it's a hell on heart to not only for Tibetans, but the entire Chinese population in general.

Millions of people in China were violently persecuted during the Cultural Revolution. Those identified as spies, "running dogs", "revisionists", or coming from a suspect class (including those related to former landlords or rich peasants) were subject to beating, imprisonment, rape, torture, sustained and systematic harassment and abuse, seizure of property, denial of medical attention, and erasure of social identity. At least hundreds of thousands of people were murdered, starved, or worked to death. Millions more were forcibly displaced. Young people from the cities were forcibly moved to the countryside, where they were forced to abandon all forms of standard education in place of the propaganda teachings of the Communist Party of China.

I am not challenging the issue. I was just saying that we can't accept everything. There will always be time when we have no choice but to be judgemental/raise voice against atrocity. Mr Lama should have made it clear in his quote. It sounded too broad.

Jafar

I am not challenging the issue. I was just saying that we can't accept everything. There will always be time when we have no choice but to be judgemental/raise voice against atrocity. Mr Lama should have made it clear in his quote. It sounded too broad.

The question will be where's the limit?

Here's nastier example from another person who once said
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

?Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people?s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

?Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

?Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ?If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.?

"You blind fools! Which is greater the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? " "You also say, ?If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.? You blind men! Which is greater the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God?s throne and by the one who sits on it."

?Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices?mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law?justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

?Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

?Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

?Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ?If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.? So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

?You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"

The limit then might be

"Feel free to judge with certain measurement / standard, as long as you don't mind to be judged with the same measurement / standard".

Mr. Lama perhaps doesn't mind to be judged with "killing, torture and atrocity" measurements / standards.
And Mr. Jesus doesn't mind to be judged with "Hypocrisy" measurements / standards.

reel

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Feel free to judge with certain measurement / standard, as long as you don't mind to be judged with the same measurement / standard".

Mr. Lama perhaps doesn't mind to be judged with "killing, torture and atrocity" measurements / standards.
And Mr. Jesus doesn't mind to be judged with "Hypocrisy" measurements / standards.

Agree completely. In a sane society that is how things are supposed to be.

Can't comment on bible verses. Yes, they sound judgmental, but I guess its for Christians to ponder upon.

Man_of_Faith

Can't comment on bible verses. Yes, they sound judgmental, but I guess its for Christians to ponder upon.

The Bible is not of the best integrity, many passages that are added besides the Lore information received by prophets. And I begin to suspect much of the Bible is erroneously interpreted from the original Aramaic/Hebrew as well just as the fate has been with Quran.

Be well
Emanuel

Jafar

Can't comment on bible verses. Yes, they sound judgmental, but I guess its for Christians to ponder upon.

Interesting remarks..
Why only "Christians"?
And why you can't or perhaps reluctant to comment on the Book Of Matthew?

We are human, so does Jesus.. we are judgmental.. that's a fact..
Every seconds we judge something, we make decision based on our judgement..
And based on that judgement we shall get what we deserves..
What goes around comes around..

We do hate.. we can never be 100% love..
We dislike .. we can never be 100% in acceptance..
We have our own ego.. we can never be 100% in acceptance of God's will, especially if it's not in accordance to our will..
We have our own pride.. we can never be 100% humble..

There is no single human in this world, in the past, present or future which is 100% muslim (the attitude / character and not the religion)

Salam / Peace

reel

Why only "Christians"?
And why you can't or perhaps reluctant to comment on the Book Of Matthew?

Because they are not of my interest.

We are human, so does Jesus.. we are judgmental.. that's a fact..
Every seconds we judge something, we make decision based on our judgement..
And based on that judgement we shall get what we deserves..
What goes around comes around..

True. However, it is immature to paint a person with personal attack during a discussion. This was what I was implying earlier. Example

Although I have no idea what you are talking about and I have no way to show that your theory is wrong I believe what you presented here is disturbing for all and thus, I declare that you are a devil and liar for it.

You see the problem here? That's like going back to sunni/shia days don't think and question.

We do hate.. we can never be 100% love..
We dislike .. we can never be 100% in acceptance..
We have our own ego.. we can never be 100% in acceptance of God's will, especially if it's not in accordance to our will..
We have our own pride.. we can never be 100% humble..

There is no single human in this world, in the past, present or future which is 100% muslim (the attitude / character and not the religion)

True, but unfortunately, a few will not agree with what you said nope and that's what saddens me.

Man_of_Faith

Hi, not just to Jafar but anyone who gets to read this post who is not a sectarian because they can read someone else's post. I will mirror this post in the 'I AM THAT I AM' forum as well.

We are human, so does Jesus.. we are judgmental.. that's a fact..
Every seconds we judge something, we make decision based on our judgement..
And based on that judgement we shall get what we deserves..
What goes around comes around..

The problem is not judgment but to judge wisely, also God judges, and so can His sons/daughters do, and it is hard to live a life without ever judging on any matter. If we had to judge but we did it in wisdom then there is no need for requital. Compared to simply be passive and let something evil happen, then it might have been better to have made a wise judgment instead. There is no wrong in judgment for as long as it is done wisely and in consideration of other people, and as according to the comments I made below.

We do hate.. we can never be 100% love..
We dislike .. we can never be 100% in acceptance..
We have our own ego.. we can never be 100% in acceptance of God's will, especially if it's not in accordance to our will..
We have our own pride.. we can never be 100% humble..

We have our own ego.. we can never be 100% in acceptance of God's will, especially if it's not in accordance to our will..

However, we can become much better than we think. Everyone should aim for perfection. It is the Body that prevents people from those 100%.

The ego can be dealt with, but it is always possible for others to claim that someone is egotistical about something. Ego is ego per Body measure, but also God has allowed each unit having their identity. It is always hard to judge whether someone is egotistical or not. Generally when you do not greed for things and are needless then you lack an ego, but every Spirit may have a motivation triggered by the Holy Spirit and it is farfetched to call that this stems from the ego but it may rather stem from the collective allah.

A great exercise is being able to go against our own will to conform to God's will, and that takes training and particularly a separation of the Body from the Spirit, but it is possible. "Everything is possible, nothing is impossible", and especially everything is possible in the Realm of God.

We do hate.. we can never be 100% love..

It is also conditional depending on defining argument regarding love versus hate. Hate is generally with lack of any kind of empathy for the subject being hated, but the teaching of Jesus said that you should also care for your enemy which implies that you should amidst all frustration be able to reach your feelings of empathy for a person misbehaving. A great test is for the culprits in the ISIS in Iraq and Syria, would you be able to have any kind of understanding for their foolishness? Would you be able to pity them for their stupidity? Would you save an ISIS soldier that would be near falling off a cliff by offering him his hand despite your "hate"? I suppose many people would just outright kill an ISIS soldier even if they raised the white flag and put their arms up. That is hate.

Hate is not disliking an unrighteous action or voicing your distaste. But many people hate for much lesser things such as if someone hurt them emotionally they seek revenge which is meaningless except for the own ego, and usually this hate continues for years perhaps even their whole lives. But it is better to quickly forgive those who hurt you even you had your integrity damaged. In the end it will feel better inside and you have much less enemies around and probably far more sympathizers, even among former enemies, thanks to your good morale.

Of course I have personally failed at times, but I also improved a lot, by a high percentage.

What is the key? Control over flesh, awareness that the Body is the culprit by your own Spirit and restrain the Body from expression of instincts (Satan).

Practicing can be to reflect upon your actions and paying attention to what you have done through a day and see what actions were triggered by your primate Body. Then you can do better when next similar scenario occurs. Eventually you will feel that your Spirit becomes separated from the Body so that you feel like you have a restrained dog with you and the emotions of this Body will channel through the Spirit rather then the opposite so that when emotional stress is felt by the Body this will feel like a pressure over the chest but the Body keeps in check even when people are provoking it. Unfortunately different Bodies have different weaknesses so it is important to find each weak spot.

We dislike .. we can never be 100% in acceptance..

The question is if it is egotistical to dislike dark deeds and corruption?

Yet you can allow sinners, blind sheep and such people continue with what they are doing without lowering your tolerance level such that sectarians often do. Yet it ought not to be any negative connotation to be expressing your dislike for if someone does something bad such as a youth smashing a window, and that action does harm someone else because they will need money to repair the window or else the exterior air will pass in.

I may dislike that people possess a totally misinterpreted scripture called Quran that is completely off from what it really says, but I have tolerance towards people and let them proceed.

We have our own pride.. we can never be 100% humble..

That is arguable. It is a word that can be abused a lot to call all sorts of people arrogant and prideful. Many people call me arrogant and full of pride but I would not do so myself. It is hard to know something that others do not and convey that knowledge in a controversial subject without being called arrogant due to your confidence. And confidence is also something admirable. The answer is that you have to involve empathy in the picture and pity your ignorant crowd and only see yourself as good because your were blessed with knowledge in the first place or you would be nothing. It is hard for others to judge a person as prideful.

When you are humble to people around you by empathy then you can reduce your arrogance and pride.

This is why Jesus taught "Care about your brother as yourself, and also your enemy". This increases your ability to show empathy because empathy is the key here. If you can empathize even with sinners/wrongdoers then you can get rid of pride and arrogance.

In all, surely as long as you have a distracting Body you cannot reach 100%, but for God it is not impossible and the one who "allah" such. Training my friends, training. Unlearn what you have learned.

There is no single human in this world, in the past, present or future which is 100% muslim (the attitude / character and not the religion)

The person who gets merged with God is 100% "me - selam" because they exist in the "Father". The very word means that you have God's similitude (sound/pristine by morphological meaning "Spirit (as) Such Thereof&quot. However, the people having accomplished this are utterly few, but then Angels very few become because most succumb to the test. But lacking Faith that you can become perfected in God is one failure among many, to be blunt, giving an excuse to be any less than perfect to yourself. Rather keep your vision at accomplishing perfection.

One just has to remember that being perfect is also lacking arrogance and pride, and to distance yourself (your Spirit) from the Body. When you are not as much under influence of the Body then you can be perfect because the Father's Holy Spirit is flawless which you are in symbiosis with then.

Be well
Emanuel

truthseeker11

Peace everyone,

However, the people having accomplished this are utterly few, but then Angels very few become because most succumb to the test.

I think this will come as a shock to everyone but only 150 humans on Earth in the last 50,000 years have been able to ascend to the higher density state of existence or "heaven", which confirms what Emanuel says!

From "The Law Of One"

http//www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=22

22.10 Questioner Approximately how many were harvestable out of the total number?

Ra I am Ra. There were approximately one hundred fifty entities harvestable.

22.11 Questioner A very small number. Then as the next cycle started? are these the entities then that stayed to work on the planet?

Ra I am Ra. These entities were visited by the Confederation and became desirous of remaining in order to aid the planetary consciousness. This is correct.

22.12 Questioner What type of visit did the Confederation make to this group of 150 entities?

Ra I am Ra. A light being appeared bearing that which may be called a shield of light. It spoke of the oneness and infinity of all creation and of those things which await those ready for harvest. It described in golden words the beauties of love as lived. It then allowed a telepathic linkage to progressively show those who were interested the plight of third density when seen as a planetary complex. It then left.

22.13 Questioner And did all of these entities then decide to stay and help during the next 25,000-year cycle?

Ra I am Ra. This is correct. As a group they stayed. There were those peripherally associated with this culture which did not stay. However, they were not able to be harvested either and so, beginning at the very highest, shall we say, of the sub-octaves of third density, repeated this density. Many of those who have been of a loving nature are not Wanderers but those of this particular origin of second cycle.

22.14 Questioner Are all of these entities still with us in this cycle?

Ra I am Ra. The entities repeating the third-density major cycle have, in some few cases, been able to leave. These entities have chosen to join their brothers and sisters, as you would call these entities.

This is confirmed by al-quran also that majority of humans are on the wrong path

3110 You were the best nation that emerged for the people, you ordered kindness and prohibited vice, and believed in allah. If the people of the book believed it would have been better for them; from among them are the believers, but the majority are the wicked.

559 Say "O people of the book, do you hate us simply because we believe in allah and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down before?" Alas, the majority of them are wicked.

12106 And most of them will not believe in allah except while setting up partners.

The % true "muslims" seem to be extremely few indeed!

Peace

Man_of_Faith

Hi truthseeker11,

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