hey you huys i just want to talk about my homosexuality
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P1. G-D does NOT approve of fahisheh
P2. A male approaching another male (sexually) is a 'fahisheh' (2754-55, 780-81)
Ergo. G-D does NOT approve of homosexuality.
This is correct, plain and simple.
If homosexuality is not wrong, then neither is pedophilia or zoophilia or pornographic fixation. Sexuality as a biological function is only limited to a hormonal response to your psychology. It's not exactly black and white, but without any psychological process, you wouldnt have said response.
That said you can tame this response to pretty much anything. If you keep fantisizing about another male then you are only reinforcing your fixation. Switch to Fantisizing about a female instead and eventually you'll rewire. It's kind of hard to explain but this is something like music. You may not like a particular type or genre of music, but listen to it long enough and it will become acceptable and progress to preferance. The music example isnt the best one, but I hope it helps in getting the point across.
Hopefully this helps,
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Greetings and Peace, all group
P1. G-D does NOT approve of fahisheh
P2. A male approaching another male (sexually) is a 'fahisheh' (2754-55, 780-81)
Ergo. G-D does NOT approve of homosexuality.
780 And Lot, he said to his people "Do you commit immorality such as none of those of the worlds had done before?"
781 "You are approaching the men out of desire instead of the women! Indeed, you are a transgressing people."
2754 And Lot, when he said to his people "Why do you commit immorality when you can clearly see?"
2755 "You are approaching the men out of desire instead of the women! Indeed, you are an ignorant people."
Homosexuality is the attraction, whether acted upon or not, towards the same sex. Homosexual acts are different from homosexuality.
If the immorality in 780 was homosexuality/homosexual acts, such things would not have existed before within a civilization. But they DID exist within civilization, more than 1,000 years before the people of Lot. In less organized society, they existed for over 10,000 years before the people of Lot. The people of Lot weren't destroyed for homosexuality or homosexual acts.
Approaching people out of desire (lust) is immorality. The fact that men were approaching men out of lust was a detail compared to the immorality of lust.
Even so, what ~else~ did the people of Lot do?
2928 And Lot, when he said to his people "You commit an immorality that no others in the world have done before!"
2929 "You approach the males, and you sever the way, and you bring all vice into your place." But the only response from his people was to say "Bring us the retribution of GOD, if you are being truthful!"There is also the issue of women and children among the people of Lot being destroyed alongside the men. Were they likewise destroyed for homosexual activity?
6164 Say "Shall I seek other than GOD as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it, and none will carry the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in.
May ALLAH see fit to guide all seekers.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Abdul-Hadi, whether you do not fear Allah?
Do you want to play verses of the Qur'an to defend homosexual act while it is clear that Allah does not approve it?
Even thread starter (kenybanez) does not deny that it is forbidden.
okay so first off i believe engaging in homosexual acts is forbidden.
Kenybanez, I suggest you to be careful with the people who're trying to mask the truth.
May Allah protect you from evil, and please learn the truth from Allah, I believe that Allah is the Best Teacher.
If the immorality in 780 was homosexuality/homosexual acts, such things would not have existed before within a civilization. But they DID exist within civilization, more than 1,000 years before the people of Lot. In less organized society, they existed for over 10,000 years before the people of Lot.
Proof??
Do you even have reliable source to know the correct time/age when the people of Lot existed and where they actually located?
Mind you that I don't accept information from wikipedia or historical books as reliable proofs.
Since the brainwashers can even spread the silly lie that the earth is a globle, then it's very possible that those evil people could also falsify many other information.
There is also the issue of women and children among the people of Lot being destroyed alongside the men. Were they likewise destroyed for homosexual activity?
Take notice of the punishment for the people of Noah, I think most likely there were children of the unbelievers who drowned as well, and I think verse 7127 could give a hint.
About the adult women who were destroyed, I think that is because they were among those who did not care to correct the wrongdoings committed by their people, maybe the wife of Lot could be the example.
For those who fond to defend homosexual acts & the perpetrators, remember these
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They used not to prevent one another from wrongdoing that they did. How wretched was that which they were doing.4109
Here you are - those who argue on their behalf in (this) worldly life - but who will argue with ALLAH for them on the Day of Judgment, or who will (then) be their defender? -
My advice is, please seriously turn to your Creator (talk to Him about your problem and implore Him to help you),
I think you could ask Allah to grant you the best help for this issue, and remember, never give up praying and hoping for His help (until you could recognize His help).
Trust your own Rabb. He created you, He knows about you perfectly - more than yourself, and He knows what you should do, so why not you implore Him to help you (and don't give up in doing so).
I suggest you to take the benefit of your test the chance to improve your relationship with Allah.
Peace.
Peace,
The best advice. bravo
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Hello again,
Homosexuality is not "right" because it is part of failure but there are so many other stumbling blocks in the Word that this is just one in a sea of them.
It is not a sin but a redundant activity triggering the Body's instinctive drive unnecessarily for which serves no purpose since the man-man woman-woman Bodies are incompatible. We are what we decide to make of ourselves.
Physical sex may be kept in check because it is a strong primate instinct and what makes one enjoy being the beast they are attached to, and that is a huge trap. It is horrible to be a slave to the Body. Beastly desire can be hard to control, especially if you deprive it of so much already yet the Body feels very good by the deprivation in its ignorance. You should try to feel the peace of being rid of addiction (desire) and needs.
Homosexuality is that unproductive intimacy while at least heterosexual sex leads to the reproduction of more test subjects to God's experiment and which you can raise well according to your personal ascension level in a World that has much evil. The status of your and your mate's Spirit does affect the offspring.
I am sorry I speak with such objectivity, but it is easier to see things clearly that way and how beastly everything actually is and how detached a person ought to be.
It might seem troublesome to find a partner with such perception, but the Holy Spirit always guides the Children of Israel, and intelligence is also a great turn on for the right people.
For homosexuals I am sure you can play a theater for the sake of passing also this part of the test and you can always look for a woman who feels stuck in her Body while she wished to be a man and the other way around. That way you can find consolation and mutual understanding of your case.
Openness of who you are is always important. People are usually isolating their inside and many are the shell-like people walking around.
Be sure
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Islam is just a religion and JUST like any religion, anybody can convert to it regardless of their sexuality, ethnicity and skin color. To say that this religion does NOT support a particular sexuality just shows that there IS no coexistence in the religion and only makes it look more terrible. Regardless of what you believe, it still doesn't change the fact that THERE are homosexuals who are Muslims and they have the every right to become Muslims just like heterosexuals. In Sweden a gay Imam wanted to start his own mosque and he had the every right to do so. In Istanbul there are gay pride parades, mostly by Turkish Muslims celebrating LGBT-rights. Deal with it. I believe that Allah would NOT forbid homosexuality as it has existed longer than religion. God would obviously know that there would be people with different sexualities. Religion in modern times is suppose to be about coexistence and not the opposite.
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Greetings and Peace, all group
My comments are in red for easy reading.
Abdul-Hadi, whether you do not fear Allah?
My relationship with the Almighty is not in question, nor is it your place to ask of it.
Do you want to play verses of the Qur'an to defend homosexual act while it is clear that Allah does not approve it?
I pay careful attention to the Qur'an and don't knowingly take things out of context. Please explain how you have taken the leap from "I disapprove of homosexual acts" to "...it is clear that Allah does not approve it."
Even thread starter (kenybanez) does not deny that it is forbidden.
I use my own best reasoning. He could be either correct or incorrect or some mix of the above, but that is between him and ALLAH.
Kenybanez, I suggest you to be careful with the people who're trying to mask the truth.
I agree. Beware of people with base motives, preconceived notions, and especially of any who would attribute lies to ALLAH.
May Allah protect you from evil, and please learn the truth from Allah, I believe that Allah is the Best Teacher.
Proof??
Do you even have reliable source to know the correct time/age when the people of Lot existed and where they actually located?
Read Genesis 18 & 19. Using basic math, the date of the destruction of the People of Lot can be derived. It was around 1953 BCE.
Mind you that I don't accept information from wikipedia or historical books as reliable proofs.
Since the brainwashers can even spread the silly lie that the earth is a globle, then it's very possible that those evil people could also falsify many other information.
Take notice of the punishment for the people of Noah, I think most likely there were children of the unbelievers who drowned as well, and I think verse 7127 could give a hint.
So, the women and children among the people of Lot were destroyed because they were homosexual, or because they were unbelievers?
About the adult women who were destroyed, I think that is because they were among those who did not care to correct the wrongdoings committed by their people, maybe the wife of Lot could be the example.
Maybe...maybe not. Conjecture. Better to stick to what is known, right? )
For those who fond to defend homosexual acts & the perpetrators, remember these
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They used not to prevent one another from wrongdoing that they did. How wretched was that which they were doing.4109
Here you are - those who argue on their behalf in (this) worldly life - but who will argue with ALLAH for them on the Day of Judgment, or who will (then) be their defender?Thank you for sharing the beautiful Knowledge of the Qur'an. Please take into consideration the totality of the Knowledge.
2256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been clarified from the wrong way. Whoever rejects evil, and believes in GOD, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold that will never break. GOD is Hearer, Knower.
4135 O you who believe, stand with justice as witnesses to GOD, even if against yourselves, or the parents or the relatives. Even if he be rich or poor, GOD is more worthy of them, so do not follow desire into being unjust. And if you twist or turn away, then GOD is Expert over what you do.
621 And who is more wicked than he who invents lies about GOD, or denies His revelations! The wicked will never succeed.
16116 And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe "This is lawful, and that is forbidden;" that you seek to invent lies about GOD. Those who invent lies about GOD will not succeed.
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom GOD has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
4133 And who is better in saying than he who invites to GOD, and does good works, and says "I am one of those who have submitted."
I find no evidence that homosexual acts are disallowed. Live according to your best understanding, and let others live according to their best understanding--or attempt to bar others from the deen, compel others to live according to your understanding, and generally be unjust. Which sounds like the proper behavior?
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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My relationship with the Almighty is not in question, nor is it your place to ask of it.
As far as I know there is no rule from my Rabb that I cannot ask such question to you.
The only One Who can bind me by rules is my Rabb, and I think it is not your place to make a rule for me, except He gives you right for it.
If you don't want to answer it, then I think it is your choice.
Please explain how you have taken the leap from "I disapprove of homosexual acts" to "...it is clear that Allah does not approve it."
Do you have a proof where and when I ever made such statement?
I consider your statement above is an accusation toward me.
"...it is clear that Allah does not approve it."
Reply #9 by hicham9
If you deny it, then I have no more to explain about it to you (why should I bother to explain it to someone who deny it?).
I think it is of no use to explain clear and simple lesson to those who deny. I've learned about it.
Read Genesis 18 & 19. Using basic math, the date of the destruction of the People of Lot can be derived. It was around 1953 BCE.
I am not the Bible follower. My Rabb taught me to not follow that book.
There are satanic traps in the Bible, and I'm aware of that.
Follow both the Bible and the Qur'an would violate 242.
I am not even sure whether you sincerely follow the Bible.
I think there are people who "follow" the Bible only when it could benefit them, but they don't adhere to it as a whole sincerely and honestly.
In my view, it is clear hypocrisy when people "follow/believe in" the Bible but they deny that the earth is flat.
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Abdul-Hadi, whether you do not fear Allah?
Do you want to play verses of the Qur'an to defend homosexual act while it is clear that Allah does not approve it?
Even thread starter (kenybanez) does not deny that it is forbidden.
Kenybanez, I suggest you to be careful with the people who're trying to mask the truth.
May Allah protect you from evil, and please learn the truth from Allah, I believe that Allah is the Best Teacher.
Proof??
Do you even have reliable source to know the correct time/age when the people of Lot existed and where they actually located?
Mind you that I don't accept information from wikipedia or historical books as reliable proofs.
Since the brainwashers can even spread the silly lie that the earth is a globle, then it's very possible that those evil people could also falsify many other information.
Take notice of the punishment for the people of Noah, I think most likely there were children of the unbelievers who drowned as well, and I think verse 7127 could give a hint.
About the adult women who were destroyed, I think that is because they were among those who did not care to correct the wrongdoings committed by their people, maybe the wife of Lot could be the example.
For those who fond to defend homosexual acts & the perpetrators, remember these
579
They used not to prevent one another from wrongdoing that they did. How wretched was that which they were doing.4109
Here you are - those who argue on their behalf in (this) worldly life - but who will argue with ALLAH for them on the Day of Judgment, or who will (then) be their defender?. Dear JavaLatte, I am the author of this question. As much as I am sad to admit it but acting on Homosexual desire is bad. I mean if it was okay why did Lot say "....Ye practice your lust in men, in preference to women" sorry if I do t know which surah. Notice he say "...in preference to women" meaning if what is forbidden is homosexual rape and it is only good when uou do it in a 'formal way' meaning do it through marriage, why did not Lot say " Ye practice your lust in men while you did not marry them. You should have marry then" or something in that context. If you guys are wondering what are my plans for myself well I am going to live a life of celibacy and perhaps if God willing I would just marry in Paradise ).
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Tell us more about your childhood.
Were there any homosexuals* around?
When did you first engage in such an act?
How did it all start?
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. Dear reader Girst off I was born and raised in the Philippines.when I was a kid I felt that I was incline to men. Ever since grade 4 I always have crushes but it towards boys and never did I have a girl crush except maybe this one time I did not see her in school Isaw her somewhere else but she has a boyish get up so she looked like a dude at that time so I dont think I would have considered that a heyerosexual attraction let alone bisexual attraction. In my life I have never had a boyfriend nor engage in Homosexual acts maybe perhaps when i first started HighSchool i acted verg effeminite and people knew I was gay and yes there were gay people at that time. But when I moved to canada on last day of september in 2009 I started acting a bit masculin out of fear of my parents because my parents were Christians and they do not approve of it and since I was in a whole new different country at that time I was scared due to culture shock so I still acted masculin. Anyways during those times I was not mislim yet. So anyways during the course of my time I began to be very active pf my religion lately and realy 'found Jesus' so I started thinking that perhaps homosexuality is a sin up until I became muslim through doing a lot of research first into christianity then one website to another somehow I was led to alot of islamic website that convince me Islam is right and so the rest is history.
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This lgbt movement seems to do everything it can to appropriate to itself symbols, words and imagery for themselves, then shove it wherever possible. Example, st patrick's day. It's for the irish. Yet homosexuals want to hijack this and self insert themselves in there, with their little multicolor flags, parading around with the "pride" thing. Why?
What's the point? Is the point just to try and be on the face of as many people as possible? This kind of behaviour turns more and more average, normal people, into what is called a "homophobe" - basically nowadays if you disagree with a homosexual in the west, you're "homophobic", whatever it means. There's a certain culture of throwing labels and dishonesty that's fermented from that lgbt political movement, and they do witch hunts against anyone who doesn't support them, going as far as to ask for money from people, on twitter, who don't actively support them. I saw this happen.Not only that also the fact that one in five homosexual in the USA has aids, the whole hypersexual culture that surrounds that group of people, with their naked pride parades, and their attempts to now convey this culture to kids.
Man fuck modern western values. They suck shit.
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. Dear JavaLatte, I am the author of this question. As much as I am sad to admit it but acting on Homosexual desire is bad. I mean if it was okay why did Lot say "....Ye practice your lust in men, in preference to women" sorry if I do t know which surah. Notice he say "...in preference to women" meaning if what is forbidden is homosexual rape and it is only good when uou do it in a 'formal way' meaning do it through marriage, why did not Lot say " Ye practice your lust in men while you did not marry them. You should have marry then" or something in that context. If you guys are wondering what are my plans for myself well I am going to live a life of celibacy and perhaps if God willing I would just marry in Paradise ).
Why do you prefer men to women, can you let us all know? Is there any sensible explanation you can make for it? What do you like about those homosexual acts, have you thought about it deeply what it might be? In some cases the people have been molested or had sexual experiences early on with a male figure which created an association with sexual sensations and whatever sex that person was and in other cases a sense of guilt and not really examining it can lead it to becoming a further obsession.
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Why do you prefer men to women, can you let us all know? Is there any sensible explanation you can make for it? What do you like about those homosexual acts, have you thought about it deeply what it might be? In some cases the people have been molested or had sexual experiences early on with a male figure which created an association with sexual sensations and whatever sex that person was and in other cases a sense of guilt and not really examining it can lead it to becoming a further obsession.
Like I said ever since I was young I have always been attracted to men and the reason why I found same sex acts quite appealing is the same way Hetero acts is appealing for heterosexuals. But like I said all this is for me is just mere desires that God created me with to test me. I mean I remember somewhere in the Quran God said that he created people with certain desires and successfull are those who supress it. Sorry I could quote it properly. And Btw I understand that that is why I have never commited this act meaning I have never had any sexual relations with same gender in my life and hopefully none in the future.
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okay so first off i believe engaging in homosexual acts is forbidden. So in case you are wondering i am not going to say it is okay to engage in such acts. However I am a homosexual myself and i admit, I am always attracted to the same gender ever since I was young but i do believe that this is just a test since i recalled somewhere in the quran that God said He created people with some desires and succesfull are those who supress it.
Anyways since I cant realy date a guy I just imagined one. But i dont mean it like an imahinary-friend-kind-of-way where you imagine someone sitting besides you and to talk to them like that .What i would do is basically just fantasize about going out with this guy-just like visualizing going out with this guy on my head and how he hugs me when i am sad or just cuddling with him every night. Basically all I am saying is I daydream about going out with this imaginary guy that i made.And I have have this weird fantasy of mine for like 3 months or so or perhaps longer to the extent that I become emotionally attached to the pigment of my imahination as if he was real.
I know it sounds funny and weird but that is just how I cope with it since if I cant have a guy in real life might as well imahine one and daydream about it. Anyways long story short- I am not realy sure if this is a bad thing or not, so i tried stop thinking about it. The problem is like Insaid I have become emotionaly attached to tuis daydream that I become so depressed just me stop thinking about it. It has got to a point where evrytime i listen to love songs I think about my imaginary Bf. And it depressed me because Iwant to stop thinking anout him. I even tell myself ' why would be depressed over someone who is a pigment of your imahination?" But i dont knownperhaps I am just lonely and I basically have no one to talk to I mean my relationship with my family is not that close and plus I cant talk to them about it since they are not muslims and probobly would disown me if they found out I converted let alone being gay. So yeah I also think this wild imahination is a product of loneliness. So what do you guys think about this besides the fact that this is crazy. You see I want to get over these toughts since I dont think it is Halal but It is so hard to let since i feel that this imaginary person is real and all the fantasies I made about me and him are like real memories as is the guy I imagined just live a house away or something...urgh I need some advice THANKSI personally DESPISE gays
Imagining male's arse made me throw up in disgust..
I cannot understand why there is such thing as "gay"..Having said that...
I understand that there are things in this universe that I just don't understand.
I accept that there are humans other than me, with sexual preference towards 'their own gender'.
It has been as such since the dawn of humanity.
More than that, the phenomenon also appears among other big primates (Gorilla, Orangutan, Chimpanzee) and other mammals.
It is a NATURALLY NORMAL phenomenon and it is one of GOD'S WILL.There is NOTHING WRONG with you and your homosexuality.
You are NOT immoral just because of your homosexuality.
You are NOT supposed to "Suppress" your homosexuality.
Be open with it and feel good with it, that's what you are, as willed by God.
I wish you good life and may you find your "same gender" soul mate and sex partner.Any "moral code" which is applicable to "heterosexual" also applicable to you, such as don't rape, don't kill, don't oppress other people etc.. Treat others in the same manner as you would like to be treated..
God bless you
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I personally DESPISE gays
Imagining male's arse made me throw up in disgust..
I cannot understand why there is such thing as "gay"..Having said that...
I understand that there are things in this universe that I just don't understand.
I accept that there are humans other than me, with sexual preference towards 'their own gender'.
It has been as such since the dawn of humanity.
More than that, the phenomenon also appears among other big primates (Gorilla, Orangutan, Chimpanzee) and other mammals.
It is a NATURALLY NORMAL phenomenon and it is one of GOD'S WILL.There is NOTHING WRONG with you and your homosexuality.
You are NOT immoral just because of your homosexuality.
You are NOT supposed to "Suppress" your homosexuality.
Be open with it and feel good with it, that's what you are, as willed by God.
I wish you good life and may you find your "same gender" soul mate and sex partner.Any "moral code" which is applicable to "heterosexual" also applicable to you, such as don't rape, don't kill, don't oppress other people etc.. Treat others in the same manner as you would like to be treated..
God bless you
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Hello, thanks for your response but even though I would like to agree with you, I just cant cuz as much as I am sad to admit it, God dis forbid gay marriages. I dont know where you get the idea that you can act on your homosexual desires. But in the Quran Lot told the people of Sodom that what they did was wrong by calling them eering people or something. So sorry to tell you this but gay marriage is just wrong even though as I would love to think otherwise. But hey it is not me who decide wether what is haram or halal. It is God who decides and apparantly for gay marriages...well it wrong.
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Hello, thanks for your response but even though I would like to agree with you, I just cant cuz as much as I am sad to admit it, God dis forbid gay marriages. I dont know where you get the idea that you can act on your homosexual desires. But in the Quran Lot told the people of Sodom that what they did was wrong by calling them eering people or something. So sorry to tell you this but gay marriage is just wrong even though as I would love to think otherwise. But hey it is not me who decide wether what is haram or halal. It is God who decides and apparantly for gay marriages...well it wrong.
Sure mate, believe whatever you want..
The Sodomist were robber, murderer and rapist.
They deserved to be wiped off from the face of the earth, for the sake of their neighboring society.
Even if all of them were heterosexual...And what is "Gay Marriage"?
If the couple are gay or lesbian they don't need any marriage..
As they shall not have any offspring.. biologically..
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2929 states the reasons why the people fo Lot were destroyed (rejecting God and his messenger, highway robbery, assault, and drunkenness)
All these crimes, with the exception of homosexuality, have been condemned directly by God.
The only proof we have that homosexuality is sin is from the story of Lot.
For some reason, God felt the need to clarify that highway robbery is a sin in the Quran, but not homosexuality. If homosexuality was a sin, it would then be below drunkenness and stealing.So I am skeptical of the claim that homosexuality is forbidden. When heterosexuals are encouraged to try new positions ("approach your tilth as however ye may", homosexuals are condemned to a life time of sexual repression? I doubt it.
Besides, I think God would have destroyed Sodom even if the angel rape was heterosexual angel rape.
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i always prefer to look at precedents and empirical research, studies and observations about the real life, tangible proof, tested and proved theories
let's look at what happens in the USA with the whole lgbt thing and homosexuals
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you can be homosexual or not, the type of lifestyle associated with homosexuality in the west is completely forbidden by the quran