The Invention of the Land of Israel
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Of course it is an invention. The biggest myth is that Palestinians are not native to Palestine despite the fact that history proves otherwise. If anything most Jews in Palestine were Immigrants from the Soviet Union and Central Europe escaping their brethren's attrocities. Why do pathetic Westerners never mention that? Youre an anti-semite if you criticise a European Jew or the foundation of Israel but Israel killing Palestinians (who descend from semitic ethnicities) is not anti-semitic. That's European stupidity 101.
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The entire concept of state system is an invention. Europeans invented the "United States of America" as well as "Australia" when they grabbed those lands from the indigenous people. When Mongols grabed the Hindustan they invented the Mughal Empire; only to be overpowered by the British to invent British India. India and Pakistan were invented when the British left their land - in pretty much the same fashion they invented Israel and Palestine. Saudi family invented "Saudi Arabia" when they took the country with the power of their sword.
All are inventions - God's world has no boundaries - the boundaries are marked by men who simply cannot live without those.
260 And as Moses sought water for his people, so We said, ?Strike the stone with your staff.? - Then twelve springs gushed forth from it - certainly every individual knew their location of drink ? ?Eat and drink from (the) provision of Allah and do not act wickedly on the earth spreading corruption.?
(My personal translation, cross checking is recommended.)
The challenge is not to discover which is an invention and which is not. The challenge is to discover what is the peaceful and reasonable way to coexist. Live and let live.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
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Of course but Israel is cheaply man-made. It was founded 67 years ago by an Immigrant from Europe that had no common traditions letalone culture with other Jews (as the term 'Jew' is no ethnicity) on other peoples land. I can't speak for Pakistan but you can't compare India to Israel. India has its own culture, language and history. Infact it has one of the oldest civilization meanwhile Israel has a 67 years history of ethnic-cleansing and no connection to any other Levant country because most of its Jews were Immigrants outside the Levant. Palestine is filled with European Jewish morons who think they belong in Palestine. Most of them belong in the ex-Soviet states. Time to go back to the barbaric ex-Soviet states that are only known for killing and destroying each other. Many EUROPEAN Jews supported Stalin (a brutal warmongering dictator) which is not suprising.
There is a difference between having a thousands of years legacy compared to 67 years. There is a difference between being a people and not. The term "Palestinian" has existed longer than the term "Israeli". That's a FACT. Of course everybody evolved from apes but the first people that inhabited Palestine and formed their own culture, language and traditions on that land, they are the owners of the land. That is how the world works.
I pity Israelis that compare Israel to Syria, Lebanon or Jordan acting as if Israel is a real country too, it's not. And Syria has a civilization and culture that is much more older than Israel as a whole. Let's assume that Israelis are mostly Europeans, Syria still has a lot more older culture and civilization than their European junk. And Britain didin't invent Palestine. The term 'Palestine' has existed longer than Britain. The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece, when Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistin?" in The Histories, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley. Denmark, Britain, France and many other European nations didin't even exist. They consisted of primitive barbarian tribes that were easily being destroyed by the Romans.
The challenge is not to discover which is an invention and which is not. The challenge is to discover what is the peaceful and reasonable way to coexist. Live and let live.
If you think Israel wants peace I will prove you wrong using Nethanjahu's own statements. Of course people can co-exist but if you Immigrate and start ethnic-cleansing then you might as well forget co-existance. Once you kill somebody there is absolutely no solution. I clearly understand the Palestinian side. If Israelis want to live then they should get off the place that does not belong to them. I'm pretty sure if you go somewhere and start killing and take over their homes and try to draw a solution some years later you're going to get a middle-finger straight in the face and rockets too. If you go to the US and start killing then you won't be able to 'negotiate' instead you'll either be jailed or shot (if you don't surrender). It's called justice. To allow the murder to negotiate shows how corrupt the country is and how little the consitution is taken seriously and most of all it is a middle-finger to the victims.
Of course live and let live is important. It is infact one of the most important thing. But I do hope that Jordan for example expells the Israeli ambassador and so does Egypt. I also hope that a ban list is established so that Islamists, pro-Israel and other terrorist-supporters (especially from the Western side) are on that list and that Shariah law and tribalism dies already. I do hope that ALL religions die in the Arab world. It will give the Arab countries new possibilities. Instead of billions of dollars being spent on European and South-Asian prostitution, mosques in Pakistan, or religious ideologies, they should be spent on health, science and education. Instead of billions of dollars flowing to India, Pakistan (letalone any other 'Muslim' country) or Britain, they should flow to Palestine, Syria and Iraq. If money were to stop flowing to Islam for once and rather to the citizens of the country, the country is going to become ten times more better than the Scandinavian countries combined. It could become a mix of Luxembourg and the US. The Western countries are great at contributing to barbaric theocratic regimes therefor helping hindering the countries from advancing and allowing the regimes to hjiack democratic movements (in other parts of the world) with religious ideologies.
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Ivent states is not a sin if it is your own country you make up the invented state with. But when you steal a country, expel an erradicate peoples from from it a continue eliminating, persecuting and slandering that people is. Palestine is not an invention even if it is not a state, but the criminal state of Israel, even if it has brought in a population from somewhere else is criminal, radically criminal and a big LIE.
Salaam
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The entire concept of state system is an invention. Europeans invented the "United States of America" as well as "Australia" when they grabbed those lands from the indigenous people. When Mongols grabed the Hindustan they invented the Mughal Empire; only to be overpowered by the British to invent British India. India and Pakistan were invented when the British left their land - in pretty much the same fashion they invented Israel and Palestine. Saudi family invented "Saudi Arabia" when they took the country with the power of their sword.
All are inventions - God's world has no boundaries - the boundaries are marked by men who simply cannot live without those.
100% Correct..
I added some more..
When the Arabs invaded Persia, Jerusalem,Lebanon, Syria, Spain and Egypt they invented the so called Islamic Arabic caliphates.
When the Turks migrated and invaded the Arabic Islamic Caliphates they invented the so called Ottoman Empire.
When Ibn Saud helped the British for their war against the Turkish Ottoman Empire they invented their own kingdom called Saudi Arabia.The challenge is not to discover which is an invention and which is not. The challenge is to discover what is the peaceful and reasonable way to coexist. Live and let live.
True...
Hoping or asking the Israeli / Jewish Immigrant to leave Israel / Palestine is the same as hoping / asking the Turks to leave Anatolia or today's Turkey, give the land back to the Greeks and return to Turkmenistan.
As of today, the Anatolian Turks (dubbed as Turkish) and the Turkmenistan Turks (dubbed as Turkmeni) has differ greatly both in terms of appearance/DNA, Culture and Language.
The same thing will and should happen with today's Israelites and Palestinian.
The so-called Europen Jewish Immigrant, African Jewish Immigrant will mix with their local counterpart, Palestinian Jewish and Arabs Israeli and Arabs Palestinian.
The above will happens naturally once a peaceful and cooperative environment exist within their territory.
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There are over 40 European 'states' (many that lack a real history). Give the Jews a European nation, preferably Denmark. Definently donate Denmark to the Jews. As a European national I approve of this sh't. Palestine free means a lot more.
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There are over 40 European 'states' (many that lack a real history). Give the Jews a European nation, preferably Denmark. Definently donate Denmark to the Jews. As a European national I approve of this sh't. Palestine free means a lot more.
Too late, so what is going to happen is genocide. Its easier.
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Too late, so what is going to happen is genocide. Its easier.
Easier I don't know, but that was what was meant when that cancer was established by the British Empire in the middle east. It ws meant to kill the victims, one after the other, they are at it.
Salaam
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Easier I don't know, but that was what was meant when that cancer was established by the British Empire in the middle east. It ws meant to kill the victims, one after the other, they are at it.
Salaam
Absolutely! Its "easier" in the sense that to ask wicked people to be good or just is way too hard for them haha. Its much easier in their estimation to mass murder men-women-and children just like the Bible depicts of their past hopes and dreams.
Our hope is that someday Allah will destroy them, and will throw them all into hell fire.
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Absolutely! Its "easier" in the sense that to ask wicked people to be good or just is way too hard for them haha. Its much easier in their estimation to mass murder men-women-and children just like the Bible depicts of their past hopes and dreams.
Our hope is that someday Allah will destroy them, and will throw them all into hell fire.
...The fire whose fuel are men and stones... 2.24
Salaam
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...The fire whose fuel are men and stones... 2.24
Salaam
Beautiful! I really hope so insha'Allah! Then we can be pleased that at least some justice was done and things were set right!