The great secret of Islam - the hidden history of Islam revealed
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Me. The name is Olaf. I am no scholar, but a kind of journalist / self made historian. I have read many history and research work about islam origins, and then have written about it for the wide audience that do not read the scholars publications. A bit like Tom Holland - but I think my work is much more serious than "In the Shadow of the Sword". Specifically, my book is the popularization of the work of an amazing scholar, E-M Gallez. I have worked two years with him for this.
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Peace Olaf.
Why am I finding a mix and match story that jumps from Syria to Palestine to Arabia ,without continuation of proper date/s that can be at least properly identified?
Also, where can I find the "texts" mentioned here,so I can check this
To this end, the judeonazarene propagandists, Syro-Aramaic speaking Jews, many of whom know the liturgical Hebrew, explained their texts to the Arabs. Moreover, they formed the Arab preachers, translated their texts in Arabic and taught them. For this, they created for them little textbooks, anthologies of the main texts of their Torah, their Gospel, their customs, their laws, their rites of purity, their circumcision ... It was indeed the memory aid at a time when education was essentially managed and transmitted by heart the main memory aids consisted of translations into Arabic language used by the judeonazarenes themselves. A lectionary is a liturgical book that presents readings and comments from sacred texts, as always Christian. The judeonazarene lectionary therefore presented excerpts from the Bible, Old and New Testament - for as much the judeonazarenes accept it - in function of the calendar (Saturday, Sunday, holidays). In Syro-Aramaic Christians called this lectionary "qor'?no" (which translates in Arabic as "Qur'an", that is to say, "Koran". It is thus a set composed of various sermons and holy readings, some of them benefiting from a writing down as memory aid (we will see later what will be the crucial importance of these memory aid sheets). This propaganda especially targeted the Christian faith of Arabs by attacking it on charges of associationism, that is to say by claiming that Christians give to God "associates" (Trinity) .
Or are they saying this is what we have now as Qoran?
Also are "Mahmet" and "Muhammed" two different characters?
I have spent a lot of time reading what runninglikezebras is translating( thanks for your effort),but I see another version of "botched" history ,like many other versions ( for example what brother Pazuzu has kindly offered before) and many other so called scholars are still offering.
Am I not justified in saying(from what I read so far) I am not convinced this is a "true"version?
Anyway, do carry on.
GOD bless you.
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Me. The name is Olaf. I am no scholar, but a kind of journalist / self made historian. I have read many history and research work about islam origins, and then have written about it for the wide audience that do not read the scholars publications. A bit like Tom Holland - but I think my work is much more serious than "In the Shadow of the Sword". Specifically, my book is the popularization of the work of an amazing scholar, E-M Gallez. I have worked two years with him for this.
Well if a read a book I expect a proper name of the author, not just "me Olaf". Also I am surpr4ised to say the least that all your sources are kosher, that is, not a single Arab. It is like were I to read a Spanish history and borbid myself from reading any spanish historian of any persuasion.Of course I do not doubt that any European will always know more about anything that any Arab even about himself, because only europeans or people of european extraction are deserving of trust, but still... I like a bit of diversity and local colour.
And what I have overread, well it is like a story but not like history. When I read history specially such long stretches I expect more explaining of sources and wherefrom come what the historian says. Otherwise I do nto see any difference between that and any piece of fiction.
Of course what I have said about europeans and arabs is sarcasm. Honesty and integrity have no home or rather should be at home anywhere, but unfortunately honesty when it comes to Islam and Arabs is very usually very much mistreated, and taken for granted that there is no need of such honesty or integrity when it comes to arabs and muslims.
To sum up I see no reason to spend any time treating myself to another overbearing tirado over "the truth about Islam or Arabs". And without questionning that hadith literature is not a guaranty of anything, frankly why disdain real Arab historians? You would not be telling us that they don't exist would you?
Salaam
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@ good logic
Peace also,
Wait for the whole book to be translated ... You will get some answers.
For the dates we do not have the precise dates. This time used to be a black hole for historians. What Gallez has established is a general scheme that shed some light, but many things need to be precised by future work.
For the judeonazarene arabic texts there were several
- memory aids for arab preachers (Muhammad), which will form the ground for the writing of the Quran
- the translation of their aramaic lectionary in arabic language, namely "qorono" in Aramaic, or "quran" in Arabic. The "quran" that the islamic Quran refers to is this lectionary
Wait for the rest of the translation by runninglikezebra, it will be better explained
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Well if a read a book I expect a proper name of the author, not just "me Olaf". Also I am surpr4ised to say the least that all your sources are kosher, that is, not a single Arab. It is like were I to read a Spanish history and borbid myself from reading any spanish historian of any persuasion.Of course I do not doubt that any European will always know more about anything that any Arab even about himself, because only europeans or people of european extraction are deserving of trust, but still... I like a bit of diversity and local colour.
And what I have overread, well it is like a story but not like history. When I read history specially such long stretches I expect more explaining of sources and wherefrom come what the historian says. Otherwise I do nto see any difference between that and any piece of fiction.
Of course what I have said about europeans and arabs is sarcasm. Honesty and integrity have no home or rather should be at home anywhere, but unfortunately honesty when it comes to Islam and Arabs is very usually very much mistreated, and taken for granted that there is no need of such honesty or integrity when it comes to arabs and muslims.
To sum up I see no reason to spend any time treating myself to another overbearing tirado over "the truth about Islam or Arabs". And without questionning that hadith literature is not a guaranty of anything, frankly why disdain real Arab historians? You would not be telling us that they don't exist would you?
Salaam
Saludos desde Espa?a,
Honesty has no home but racism neither.
In Spain we said CADA UNO EN SU CASA Y DIOS EN LA DE TODOS (each one at his/her home and God in every home).
What I see now in the streets of Europe is hadith religion trying to impose darkness and ignorance and despising europeans in a racist and phanatical way. People claiming for human rights they do not respect and acting with unlimited arogance.
For sure is bad that europeans want to teach arabs about their past (even if in History the most important is accuracy and not the origin of the historian) but is worst arabs want to teach europeans how to act in present and future, with the only hope of demographic numbers.
Also as a spanish my History teach me what is the only language that hadith people understand.
Wonders me why some arab-hadith follower people want to live in Europe instead in very rich arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Emirates, etc. Arabs are destroying arabs countries influenced by Christianity or by indoeuropean-non arab Iran and are promoting Sunni Empire in Middle East and the conquer of Europe.
P.S. For understand completely spanish History the best is to read english historians... just sometimes they do best than us, may be because when we had Inquisition they had Isaac Newton. Most important thing is the Truth (sometimes hurts human nafs), be enough patient to search it and enough humble to admit it.
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Join the club of arab bashers and anglosaxon worship. It is your business.
And enjoy European history of arab bashing, I know enough of it to not need one bit more. As to keeping ona a diet of English historians only, I certainly won't follow such advice, nor onsider it wise.
Salaam
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Greetings and Peace, all group
It is intriguing so far. Once it has all been presented, it can be considered better. True gold fears no fire.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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Ancient A ' Rabb were a noble people, but the impostors who created the sect Islam and wrought havoc in the Middle East were not.
Be safe
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Please continue with the translation..
I don't find this as "Arab" bashing at all..
Given there wasn't anyone categorized / labeled as "Arabs" during those time.
The author here use such word perhaps for 'easier referencing', albeit it is a mistake.And for the reader who NOW identified themselves with the label of or as "Arab" no need to get offended, as those Omar, Abubakar dude ain't your grandpa or neither you were around when it happened 1400 years ago.
Christian leaders during that time uses the word of "Beney Ishmeel" (Sons of Ishmael) or "Haggarites" or "Sarachen" for the people who were allied with the "Heathen Jews" and conquered Jerusalem from the hands of Byzantium Roman Empire.
The use of "Arab" as a social identity might actually came later....
Within Hebrew, the word 'Arav' is closely associated with the word Erev' meaning "mingling" or "mixing" (with foreign object or people).
Commonly used (at that time) to label the (so-called) 'chosen people' who has violated "The Holy and Infallible Torah" by doing inter-marriage with the neighboring non-chosen people. (The Heathen Goy).From the content, it's clear that the book of Quran is clearly a JEWISH BOOK.
Thus it's not far fetched to hypothesize that it was written by a Jew with intended audience of Jewish people.
Or at least a group of people who are very familiar with heroic legends of Davd, Solomon, Moshe, Adam, Yakob, Avraham, Noah etc..In this context, the author hypothesized that it was written by the Judeo-Nazarenes which are indeed a subgroup of Jewish people.
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Omar (634-644) and Uthman (644-656) getting rid of the judeonazarenes
For, in order to achieve such a manipulation, it is necessary not only to indoctrinate the minds where religion is imprinted, but also to control all of the materials that establish the religion, which will obviously be very difficult. For technical reasons primarily, because it is not sufficient to obscure the meaning of the temple rebuilt in Jerusalem, they also collect a quantity of religious documents (scattered throughout the Ummah, according to a report from the Muslim tradition) and destroy these heterodox documents. Military expansion complicates this process at its summit Egypt, pearl of the Byzantine Empire, was conquered in 640-642, Seleucia- Ctesiphon fell in 641 and the Persians were defeated at Nihavend the following year. Furthermore, the reversal of alliance and the physical elimination of the judeo-nazarene leaders are not so easy to accept. They undermine the ideological unity and promote differences. They disrupt hierarchies and compromise the fragile agreement of the ummah considering the project of conquest of Jerusalem. Naturally, leaders, generals, emirs had to rebel, one could say thanks to the military successes which enabled them to acquire great power - some are now governors of the territories they conquered, out of reach of authority altogether questionable Arab generalissimo. Without judeonazarenes, where would it take them?
The rejection of the entire judeonazarene community, the abandonment of the temple, the intrusive collection of texts, rewriting them to root out the judeonazarene facts, in short, the damage to the "religion of Abraham" that this operation represents causes a real outrage in face of the propaganda which took decades to establish itself. Contempt of the very meaning of the fighting, the epic of the conquest of Jerusalem. Violating memories and even an affront to the will of God as the "religion of Abraham". There is therefore naturally lack of understanding, resistance, opposition. This reasoning allowed to deny the authority of Omar, which was accused of being a Munafiq, a traitor to the faith ... These are the roots and the beginning of the incessant fitna, the civil war that bloodied the Ummah for centuries until today. It is therefore not surprising that Omar is promptly murdered in 644, only four years after the "non-event" of Jerusalem. Uthman, military leader from the core of Qorechite Emigrants and great leader of the conquest, then wins against Ali, another emigrated one, as the new master of Medina. Before the protest, while the ummah gets stuck in the quagmire of religious manipulation and the Civil War, he took control over religious power. He continues the strategy of clearing the judeonazarenes as the source of the religion of the Arab conquerors, and the resulting ostracism from the judeonazarene community in Syria. But above all, he undertook the retaking of control of politics and ideology of the ummah.
This takeover is all the more necessary given that even besides the fitna, the "religion of Abraham" is also disputed by Jews and Christians. Although conquered militarily, they form the overwhelming majority of the new empire and are not fooled before the religious justifications made by the Arabs in function of their domination. They base themselves on their ancestral religious sacred books which they kept meticulously, in which there is no mention of Uthman. For this he definitely needs a book to establish his authority and claims of the "religion of Abraham" to dominate everything through him. For this, they must work on the logic and consistency that was weakened considerably by the eliminaton of judeonazarenes. The initial goal was, remember, to save the world by bringing back the messiah, and establish the umma as elected members and masters of the new world to come; the goal was to conquer Jerusalem, to raise the temple, so that the judeonazarene leaders could perform the rites that would have invoked the return of the Messiah, which had failed miserably. But regardless, the project still stands. And they must stick to it even more so because it helps to justify the domination of the new conquerors. If not the opposite may come true? If not they absolutely need to establish a religious justification for the domination of the Arabs and their conquest of the world that continues.
The two logics overlap anyway, for the benefit of Uthman. With his scribes and his advisors, they continue the manipulation of religion that absolutely must legitimize and works to give new coherence that guides the will of God in the sense of justification of his authority. A demolition work and reconstruction from the debris ... Because we certainly can not enslave ad libitum any "religion of Abraham", and with it the will of God, which is the very purpose of religion. It should do so with fundamentals. The Messiah will return with the end of time since this can not be denied, it is the ultimate hope. But if God did not want this end of time happening according to the plan of judeonazarenes then this is so because they were simply deceived (misled and thereby their Arab allies severely punished them). Their plan was bad, they just need to change it. The elected by the will of God should dominate Jerusalem and restore it, being the real "religion of Abraham". That should have caused the messiah to return who would then lead the armies to establish his new kingdom, eradicate evil on earth and establish all the "religion of Abraham". It is clear that Jerusalem was not enough. Elected officials will have to take over the world by human military forces in the name of God to establish the true "religion of Abraham "; and when the world will be conquered, the Messiah will come, it will be the end of time. The elected, are of course the Arabs, the descendants of Abraham through Ishmael. This was the justification of logic posteriori Arab domination. A proof is the title of caliph Uthman gives himself (historians are not certain that Omar, his predecessor had worn a similar title). It goes with the new basis that it imposes on religion the leader of the Arabs took the title of "lieutenant of God on earth" , a typically judeonazarene title which they attributed to the Messiah for the role he should have taken on his return to earth. With this new twist in the "religion of Abraham", the caliph takes the place left vacant by the messiah. To him befalls therefore the mission to eradicate evil on earth! We understand the springs of absolute power better now, which Uthman wants to exercise as a military, political and religious power, which theoretically gives absolute rights on all these subjects. And particularly the right to collect, select and change the sheets and texts that structure the religion (and destroy those which do not approve it). It relies for that goal on historical figures of emigrants (tradition has preserved the memory of the devoted Zaid). But in fact, the internal opposition to his authority, discord between Muslim parties, and between followers of Uthman and "Munafiqun" the wars of apostasy ("houroub al ridda" will continue to expand since the territorial conquest of Omar had started.
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Image expansion under UthmanThe Arab expansion acts like a steamroller in face of the Persian and Byzantine empires, exhausted from their centuries of mutual wars. Uthman, as Omar, was following, operating a formidable system of efficiency to support and consolidate the conquest the expansion campaigns decided by the Caliph are actually decentralized, organized and conducted by independent emirs at the head of their armies. The conquered provinces are given to almost without exception Qorechites governors (and thus supposedly "rightly guided". Uthman developed to support the establishment of "amsar" of city garrisons he built ex nihilo as bases for the conquest. They allow grouping the Arab troops, their crews and their families. They are as such ethnically and ideologically safeguarded from people wanting to conquer and control - that is how Kufa and Basra are created in modern Iraq, Fustat in Egypt, and it seems that Mecca was also the object of creating a new city, as will be seen later. To maintain its troops, Uthman military organized a system of domination by predation codifying the division of the booty, catch, goods and slaves according to seniority, and lifted a mandatory tax on the conquered populations, the jizya, which should support the maintenance of troops. It is then no question of converting these people to any religion, especially as what will be called "Islam" later is still far from being formalized. Religion and its practice in fact assimilate with ethnic origin and the dynamics of conquest the Arab warrior, a member of the chosen people, naturally carries the conquering faith, the "religion of Abraham", derived from a judeonazarism which little by little it has blurred of its origin and Jewishness. This is basically a messianic faith, conviction of the believer to have been chosen to fight evil on earth. Conviction to act in God's name which galvanizes all energies (that is the illustration of the famous logic of surreality that we mentioned in note ) and allows along the way to monopolize war booty - wealth, land and slaves - which is not insignificant. This faith is of course reserved uniquely to the elected, who therefore let the occupied territories enjoy relative religious freedom by paying jizya . Anyway, to avoid criticism, especially from the Jews and Christians, they are strictly forbidden throughout the caliphate to learn about the collections of texts of the new "religion of Abraham." These texts which are mentioned by the Muslim tradition (the famous "Qurans of Uthman" sent to the four corners of the Arab empire in order to serve as a reference) are also very poorly distributed, little searchable (if only given the large size of collections), very little known (if not unknown ) and remain under guard. The religion of the Arabs, especially that of soldiers, is more of an exaltation of victories, the messianic justification of the merits of the Arab domination and greed as a very structured indoctrination. The existence of distant texts served as ultimate guarantor.
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Image Leaf collection dated to the 8th century preserved at the mosque in Tashkent, Uzbekistan (incomplete collection, about a third of the Koran). Muslims, however, are divided on its origin (Otman or Ali), and a controversy exists as to its date (some speak of the end of the 8th century)
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Image Qur'an dating from 8-9e century preserved at the Al-Hussein mosque in Cairo, Egypt. The photo is from the documentary d'Arte "The Koran, the origins of the Book" and gives an idea of its imposing size.
(13 Artemis Productions ? Bruno Ulmer)Thus the steamroller has advanced, in Egypt and North Africa, throughout Persia and beyond. Choosing to resist formidable, mobile and relentless, military power is all the more courageous since we know that conquered territories were guaranteed some freedom, especially religious (for the moment - which did not prevent a few massacres, as in Egypt). Many are those who prefer to go without a fight, especially in North Africa, where Byzantine rule could be very poorly accepted. And the new Arab empire further increases its military power to measure shown by its progress. But there remains an area where the latter does not prevail that of naval combat, field of expertise of the Byzantine Empire. Thus, after many skirmishes, when a major naval expedition is launched against the Byzantines in 654 by Muawiyah, governor of Syria, they manage to destroy the Arab ships. They even negotiate a truce with him rather than pushing their advantage. It must be recognized that the Byzantines will totally disregard the danger that represented for them and push of the Arab political and religious conquest project. This truce is more than welcome for the caliphate because affairs are going from bad to worse. As explained above, the removal of the judeonazarenes and thus religious foundations of the umma undermined the authority of the Caliph as much as the continued expansion feeded the caliphate of baronies. This in particular seriously complicates the attempt to ideological unification of Uthman. The destruction of the original judeonazarene texts (their gospel and Torah in Syriac and Hebrew), collecting their catechetical sheets, preaching and propaganda (in Arabic) that we have already mentioned may by itself not suffice to constitute a corpus of ordered texts. When one begins to rewrite history, inconsistency are revealed, and to avoid it a manipulation must necessarily lead to another. The exaltation of Arabism of the new ummah has forced the removal of references to the Jewish component of the original umma, as we have seen. The abandonment of the Jerusalem cube requires to suppress or distort the statements that were made. And they better employ the best scribes to edit the text, reassemble, rearrange, change the playback order or change it, the book is titanic. On the one hand resists the text itself, it is very difficult to make it mean something it did not mean initially; and secondly, because still resisting the text are the remains in use within the ummah in form of scattered leaflets but especially in oral form. It can not be so easily manipulated at will. Since they rule by force, they can certainly several times enforce collections and subsequently to sending corrected and approved replaced texts but one can easily imagine how this would generate friction . They degenerate as time passes and with the successive leaders of the ummah; frankly they triggered the civil war between Emigrants. Thus the date of the murder of Uthman in Medina in 656 will be retained as the beginning of it, the first fitna. A political murder which is after all very logical if we consider the facts as cited above.
In Arabic "Halifat Llah fi l-'Ard"; with the invention of propheticism thereafter, at the end of the 7th century, this sense will slide towards that of "successor of the Prophet", still in the same logic in reverse, which aims to manipulate the past to justify the present. Yet, the current Quran still retains the sense of "lieutenant of God", as for example s38,26 "O David , we put you caliph on earth. " The Jewish King David can not be the successor to Muhammad!
John Fenek (John bar Penkaye) Syrian monk wrote of the Arabs from the end of the 7th century they sought only to raise taxes and wore no interest to peoples religions "There was no difference in treatment between pagans and Christians; no distinction with believers from the Jews. "
According to Ignacio Olag?e (The Arabs never invaded Spain, Flammarion 1969) citing Eulogius of Cordoba (857) and John of Seville (85, the conquest of Spain in the 8th century and was made without Quran or collection of religious texts -
Ali (656-661) and the first civil war
Ali, one of the "historic" qorechite Emigrants, took power after Uthman and tries to establish himself as caliph from 656. Faced with the religious manipulations of his predecessors, tradition has attributed to him a posteriori some loyalty the "religion", justified by family ties to Muhammad (he was his son) - one can indeed imagine him as particularly loyal to the "religion of Abraham" that sprung from the judeonazarenes he has longtime allied with. Added to this is the prestige of his active participation in the epic of the Qorechites during the Hijra and during the conquest, prestige earned him an aura, a certain ideological authority and many supporters. Yet he was involved in the acts of the elimination of judeonazarenes, erasing their memories and manipulation of the religion to suit political purposes (perhaps he was himself an Arab preacher bringing the judeonazarene project ).
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But he seems to have put more emphasis than his predecessors on the eschatological visions (that is to say about the end of times, which they are trying to provoke by the domination of religion, the coming of the messiah, his final battle against the Antichrist, key figure in judeonazarism and in the Christian revelation). His supporters will attribute to him in the future fundamental opposition to manipulations of Omar and Uthman . This reveals the extent of quarrels between the ambitions of the first Arab leaders. They had made of Ali and his party workers of fitna tearing the ummah, a fitna of which we have proposed a less simplistic view than the official Muslim history.
The civil war (the first fitna in the Muslim tradition) will take hold of most of the reign of Ali. The Arab expansion was interrupted by internecine struggles. We will retain in particular fierce opposition between Ali and Muawiyah. The latter was Uthmans parent, harbored views of the caliphate, and had always opposed Ali. Since his governorship of Syria, he extended his control to the entire Levant (current Syria, Palestine, Jordan) and Egypt. He drove back Ali, who will settle in Kufa, in southern Iraq today, a city which he made his capital and where his supporters prospered. And beyond these two protagonists, the different protesting factions multiply and compete within the umma, according to the reversal of alliances, corruptions and splits. And this is how the fitna will take place, ultimately because of Ali, since it will be he who is murdered in Kufa in 661 by former supporters of his cause being turned against him, the Kharijites.
In this regard, one should question the fundaments of the historical reality from which is perhaps derived the tradition of the so-called Caliphate Advisory Board (Caliphate of which there is no trace before Omar), the "mushawara " formed around 640. According to this tradition, consisting of Emigrants, Muhammads companions, among which we find three leaders of the ummah (Omar and Uthman in their lifetime, and of course Ali) and other characters (Zayd, Ubay, among others) very involved in the manipulation of religion "experts" of the Koran, such as Ubay, who had his own version which the caliphs (including Muawiya and Abdul Malik) sought to destroy desperately . Still managed to escape some traces, presenting significant differences with the "official" Koran.
We will see later how the pursuit of these manipulations complicates the search for historical truth, especially in what concerns the figure of the controversial Ali and his doctrinal orientation, probably having just formed, after all not so long after that of Otman. The study of differences between Shia (from the supporters and followers of Ali) and Sunni (from the caliphs of Damascus who will succeed him), however, makes it possible to draw some contours, with the risk of having attributed too much to Ali instead of to what Shiism much later will make of it with its formalization and religious crystallization of his opposition to the Caliphate. -
For sure is bad that europeans want to teach arabs about their past (even if in History the most important is accuracy and not the origin of the historian) but is worst arabs want to teach europeans how to act in present and future, with the only hope of demographic numbers.
Europeans kill their population with contraceptives and abortions everyday.. Their population shrinks because of THEM not because of another people increasing in demographic numbers.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrO3TfJc9Qw - Do it for Denmark. No one has found out how to help Denmark's falling birth rate. Until now. Spies Travels announces a competition where you have to make a baby to win.
Wonders me why some arab-hadith follower people want to live in Europe instead in very rich arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Emirates, etc. Arabs are destroying arabs countries influenced by Christianity or by indoeuropean-non arab Iran and are promoting Sunni Empire in Middle East and the conquer of Europe.
Don't flatther yourself man. I'm pretty sure if the rich Arab countries like Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, Emirates and so on were fully democratic and secular many would choose them over Europe anyday. It is not only Arab-hadith followers that want to live in Europe, even non-hadith Europeans who enjoy jobs given to them in the Gulf. BTW It is one thing being rich, but having the human rights of a carpet is another. Nobody will live in the Gulf-countries regardless of their money. They are complete junk and only have oil, that's pretty much it. What is a country without human rights? Nothing. It can have a lot of money and it will still be nothing.
But now I have a question why did so many Europeans want to live in America, Palestine and Australia? Why not in the very 'rich' European countries?
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Of course if you live to have fun and drink alcohol and party all life with no responsibilities there are no children made and those who still get made grow up to be monsters.
Be safe
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Muawiya (661-680) control to govern
Ultimately, reducing his opponents and their supporters one by one Muawiya managed to prevail by force and to be named Caliph in 661 by winning over the party of Ali and his two sons Hasan and Hussein (who will soon be liquidated as well). They will claim the side of the estate of their father, which by succession founded Shi'ism thereafter.
Muawiya transfers the capital of the caliphate from Medina to Damascus, the seat of his governorship, becoming the first Umayyad caliph, founder of this dynasty. He will focus in his kingdom on strengthening the Caliphates power to unite a badly developing ummah and thus to contain the fitna. He will put in place an effective centralized administration system, notably exploiting the skills of Christian and Jewish experts. It must be emphasized in this regard that the fitna had relatively little affected the indigenous peoples or if so mainly as "collateral damage."
Continuing like his Messianist predecessors making a mirage of promises while seeking to exploit them for personal profit, Muawiya in turn will try to justify his power by establishing a religious basis. As Uthman had tried to do before him, it is for him to stop the fitna and to unify the Ummah trying to give it more coherence and "efficiency" of religion in the service of his own authority. The destruction of "heterodox" texts " the reshuffling and selection of "approved " texts will continue throughout his reign, in order to form a single body which will be much more convenient than the many pages of collections. It will definitely be called Qur'an ("Qur'an" in Arabic), by analogy with the famous "Qur'an" which these same texts were referring. This new Qur'an describes God's will to establish the Arab caliph and as lords and masters in the name of the "religion of Abraham, "which proves a handy tool for a caliph seeking to justify his appeal. By force of circumstances, the analogy will become an alternative reality the "Qur'an" mentioned in the Qur'an, will be designated by Muawiya with an obscure meaning. Initially, the word "Qur'an" meant the lectionary of judeonazarenes ("qor'?no" or " qer'yana " in Syriac), that is to say the collections of texts from the Torah and their gospel they used for their liturgies, these Quran-lectionaries - to which their propaganda leaflets and preaching were referring to. The judeonazarenes would never have imagined that one would change the meaning of the word Qur'an, so that it designates a new holy book containing God's will. This manipulation is consecutively the source of serious logical problems how can a book in the process of manufacturing (since it was in the process of being revealed by God) refer to itself as a complete collection, and moreover by definition outside of itself? We will see later how Islamic theology tries to resolve this contradiction.
To support the building of religion, Muawiya will exploit certain providential events at the beginning of his reign, an earthquake has indeed collapsed in part the cube of Jerusalem which was built by judeonazarenes. Its restoration is considered unworthy of the devotion still made by the Arabs in their pilgrimages and their prostrations, despite the prominence of alternative shrines in Syria . Not to mention these very inconvenient Jews who revere it also in name of their "wrong" religion of Abraham, imagining it would have been the place of the sacrifice of Isaac. Yet all Arabs know well that Abraham had attempted to sacrifice his son Ishmael, their patriarch, not Isaac, the patriarch of the Jews. What could these Jews have possibly in common with the real "religion of Abraham", that of the true chosen people, the Arabs?
A blur even begins to surround the real purpose and usefulness of this temple, the reason of so many devotions. It's been nearly a generation ago that judeonazarenes were expulsed and the political turmoil, wars and rewriting of the history of the Arab conquest blurs the memories. The latter begs to answer many new questions. How to explain that the "religion of Abraham " of the Arabs, the "real" Abrahamic tradition would prevail over that of the Jews? How to justify that Arabs are the "real" sons of Abraham, instructed by God to rule the world? And if so, how to justify the anteriority of revelation to Arabs compared to the revelation to the Jews, even to all religions? This would require that somewhere, preferably in Arab land not touched by outside influence, an authentic sanctuary of Abraham pre-existed, before the time of the temple of Jerusalem. This is what Muawiya will claim. He had just discovered this famous sanctuary 400 kilometers south of Medina, ideally located in a desert place. That would be the ancient city of Mecca.
More seriously, we must understand that Muawiya, his scribes and his advisers were asked the same questions that we just raised. And many others have put similar questions to them, whether from their Arab opponents or in Jewish and Christian circles. Thus they have come to the need to create ex nihilo an Arab shrine dedicated to Abraham. And to decree absolute precedence, since it would be Abraham himself who would have built it - if not Adam, the first man. Abraham would have even lived there. They then impose this on the Arabs as a place of worship and pilgrimage, instead of Jerusalem and the Syrian sites. This desert place, devoid of any presence of history, is selected from the Hejaz in Arab land, and therefore it meets all the criteria to answer these difficult questions. Why specifically did he choose this place? The discussion is still open, failing to be able to conduct archaeological research which the current Saudi leadership bans (but allowed elsewhere, despite findings that contradict the Muslim discourse). We know that there was an Arab presence nearby the oasis Mina is close, and the ancient city of Taif is not further than sixty kilometers of the chosen site, which is located at the same distance from the shores of the Red Sea . Anyway, Muawiya built a temple there, a shrine of Abraham and installs a black stone there, which was already venerated before . He orders this to be the direction of prayer in the entire umma, the qibla. It is not established that the name Mecca was given to it at that time as it was to be referred to as "Masjid Ibrahim" (place of Abrahams prostration). This happens in the year 670 . Muawiya thinks he achieved a master stroke in this long job of erasing followed by recreating memories, even the new sanctuary just accepted by his contemporaries. And in the medium term, it will become a key ingredient in the long process leading to the formation of Islam, yet it was from the outset a source of many disputes. Disputes which will turn into clashes and terrible wars in the umma, as it is true that any new memories and manipulation of religion becomes inevitably subject to "fitna".
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Image black stone at Mecca
Beyond that challenge, the creation of this sanctuary, like any lie, has structural flaws which help in search of the truth, even fourteen centuries later first of all, choosing a desert, arid land, without vegetation for livestock without arable land, without game, prevents reasonably to consider that a city could be founded and remained there from time immemorial. And above all, the site chosen for the construction of this sanctuary is actually bowl-shaped, surrounded by hills and mountains. Also, when heavy rains occur, water is proving very problematic. And in case of heavy rains, as it happens from time to time, the site is then suddenly flooded or destroyed by torrents of water and mud. The chronicles of the early centuries of Islam are making notice of flooding in 699, 703, 738, 800, 817, 823, 840, 855, 867, 876 and 892. In 960, a caravan of pilgrims from Egypt was even swallowed by these streams while it was approaching it! We saw earlier how the Kaaba was nearly destroyed by these disasters, in 1620 (see Note 9). She had to be partly rebuilt and reinforced by Sultan Murad. And until recently, before the Saudis ended up to more or less effectively treat the problem, the cube was still regularly flooded. The rest of the city of Mecca, which is built around since, also continues to be flooded from time to time.
It therefore seems unimaginable that such a shrine could well survive the centuries from Abraham under these conditions. An even more thriving commercial city is said to have developed. Moreover, we find until the end of the 7th century no mention of this city, its ancient sanctuary, its trade, its pilgrimages which would be associated with it . It is not reported by any writer, no geographer, no testimony . It is not even mentioned in the famous Medina Charter , the oldest document claimed by Islam. And again, it is located away from all the caravan routes of the time, which is extensively documented. The opposite of for example Yathrib, reported by historians, where we found archaeological remains which would be hard to dig up around the Kaaba, even more difficult as the Saudis have disturbed the subsoil today during titanic works. The graffiti, called "Islamic" of the 7th century found in Saudi Arabia does not mention that city nor its sanctuary. Besides, contemporary critics of early Islam did not shy away from highlighting these absurdities John of Damascus pointing out precisely that it was impossible to find near Mecca sufficient wood required for the sacrifice of Abraham. He might as well have added that Abraham could never have found any means of support allowing it to settle in the desert environment of Mecca to build the Kaaba. The Qur'an itself describes the inhabitants of Mecca, the supposed "polytheists" which were adressed by the sermons of Muhammad , as farmers and fishermen!
They grow wheat, dates, olives, grapes, pomegranates. They lead to pasture their herds of goats, sheep, cows and camels. They sail at sea on their sail boats, and eat freshly caught fish and shellfish. How can one imagine the possibility of such abundance in the middle of the desert and mountainous region of Mecca?http//i.imgur.com/EXt7vcU.jpg
Image some examples of floodings at MeccaBut back to Muawiya, who was certainly not worrying about such details. The transfer to the Hejaz of the cubic sacred form, named "Kaaba "and its attribution to Abraham allowing to justify the Arabism of the "Religion of Abraham", its anteriority and his pre-eminence. But they cant answer themselves the whole series of questions that are induced by these chains of manipulations. Having removed the judeonazarene source of religion, the Arabs find themselves at a loss to explain how they came to know so well the will of God which favours them so much. Where does this new Qur'an and this new doctrine come from? The caliph was the first to be targeted by these questions since he wanted to take religion as legitimacy of his power. So naturally within the circles of the protesters of the Caliphates authority these questions will resonate in nature and answers will have to be found to justify this contestation. Indeed, occupied by the offensive against the Byzantines which he started a campaign against in 674 (going as far as to besiege Byzantium), Muawiyah could not contain the rise of various oppositions to his power. The ummah is still and always burdened by the seeds of civil war. At his death in 680, Muawiya, absolute monarch and founder of his dynasty, leaves a very bad inheritance to his son Yazid. Yet the structures of the Caliphate never seemed so strong, while the transvestism of memories and religion, the constitution of his doctrine in the service of power seems to bring him the legitimacy required for absolutism. But deep in its religious heart, the caliphate is undermined by fitna. It will explode in a new civil war with the enthronement of Yazid. This will be the second fitna in Muslim traditions!
661, according to the Syriac chroniclers.
Here is how the Gallic bishop Arculf in his pilgrimage to Jerusalem in 670, described the "restored" building under Muawiya "This famous location where once stood the beautifully constructed Temple, Saracens now attend a quadrangular house of prayer they crudely built on ruins. It is made of upright planks and large beams. They say this house can accommodate 3,000 people at a time". Moreover, a hebrew fragment of the Jewish-Arab apocalypse quoted by Israel Levi in 1914, mentions that Muawiya has "restored the walls of the Temple "; the author (Jewish) assimilates its construction, on the site of the temple of Herod, the restoration of this building.
This suggests that the observed changes in the orientation of mosques built then - cf. note 81.
Arabs from Syria and with them other nomadic populations, for centuries vowed worship to these meteorite stones. It is reported that one of these black stones was transported from Emesa (Homs) to Rome in 219 by emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, born in Syria, who rendered to it an "obscene cult " (according to the commentators, named Elagabalus)
As revealed by the change of direction of the qibla in the Masjid / Mosques, more or less from that time.
Abraham would have lived between about -1900 and -1600 BC according to Muslim traditions.
Mecca is not located on the road of incense, and even less at the crossroads of major trade routes. Islamic traditions mention that the Meccan trade was the scent of Yemen, leather, camels, and perhaps donkeys, clarified butter and Hejaz cheese Hejaz. Who bought them just to have left no witness? The perfume and leather industry was very well developed in Byzantium, and food and livestock were abundant in Syria. Furthermore, the Meccans are claimed by these same traditions to not have traded with pilgrims.
Some Muslims today are desperately trying to flaunt these testimonies despite everything, obeying the principle of logic that built a backwards Islam. They want to see the deformation of the name of Bakkah Petra, Jordan or that of "Maccoraba" cited by Ptolemy - that is, the saying "portus Mochorbae" Pliny (thus a port that can not be Mecca, located 80 m from the coast) .Patricia Crone refuted this in her book "Meccan trade and the Rise of Islam"
Statement by AL de Pr?mare Mohammed, author of the charter between emigrants and people of Yahtrib says nothing about Mecca.
In his Treaty of Heresies, 746; mentions Isaac, not Ishmael.
We will see later what meaning to give to the "polytheism" spoken of in the Muslim discourse.
This was particularly demonstrated by Patricia Crone in her article "How did the Quranic Pagans make a living? " Over a meticulous study of Koranic verses. Her work has never been refuted.
A name that is reminiscent of the "Abu Kaaba" high traditional place of the Arabs of Syria (see map Dussaud, as linked in a previous post) -
Peace .
I have a couple of questions since quoteMuawiya transfers the capital of the caliphate from Medina to Damascus, the seat of his governorship, becoming the first Umayyad caliph, founder of this dynasty.
1- Why not choose a sanctuary in Iraq ? Surely if one could find Mecca as a sanctuary, one could easily find a similar place in Iraq near the new capital?
2- Where in Qoran is?
Qur'an itself describes the inhabitants of Mecca, the supposed "polytheists" which were adressed by the sermons of Muhammad , as farmers and fishermen!
Just wondering.
GOD bless.
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Peace .
I have a couple of questions since quoteMuawiya transfers the capital of the caliphate from Medina to Damascus, the seat of his governorship, becoming the first Umayyad caliph, founder of this dynasty.
1- Why not choose a sanctuary in Iraq ? Surely if one could find Mecca as a sanctuary, one could easily find a similar place in Iraq near the new capital?
Damascus is in Syria, not in Iraq. Most likely Mecca was chosen because of the criteria mentioned being an undisputed Arab site, untouched by other traditions. The point was to use this Arab site as propaganda for an Arab "religion of Abraham". Using a site in Syria would not fit those criteria, since the sanctuaries in Syria were also known to the judeonazarenes.
2- Where in Qoran is?
Qur'an itself describes the inhabitants of Mecca, the supposed "polytheists" which were adressed by the sermons of Muhammad , as farmers and fishermen!
There are many references in Quran of this some can be derived from the verses concerning the dietary habits shellfish, grapes, pomegranates. Next to this the many references to ships and metaphors linked to agriculture and fishing.
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How can one explain the continuous flow of ZamZam water well beneath makkah? Is it a man made? if yes must there be a source of water? If not, then did muwaya just stumble upon this abundance of water?
The mention of Zamzam must have been recorded in history pre -islam, no?
Moreover with your definition, the ritual of hajj, tawaf and saee mentioned in Quran, was it meant for Jerusalem?
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Europe have suffered a strong dechristianization since Neopagan Reinassance until nowadays, going through French Revolution, etc.
Now Europe confront 1.- cultural marxism-feminism-multiculturalism, 2.- neopagan-nationalism (different of patriotism)- cult of vital energy, 3.- usury, 4.- sect called islam and islamization.
All of them are social engineering made by the rabid enemies of the Word of God.
When Europe left the Word of God we are seeing like a grotesque kermesse of followers of social engineering systems all them created in order to separate humanity from God, our Father. Some of them come from inside and another come from outside but all them are from the Darkness. All them have in common that they hate and lie ad infinitum and prefer arogance, rules and power instead humbleness, conscience and love.
May the Word of God will remain between the brave people that is attached to it in Egypt, Syria and Middle East.
It's time for all the people who want to preserve the Link between humanity and its Father to shut up, be humble and ready to act.
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The muslim tradition claims the zam zam well is as old as Abraham and Hagar. There is however no historical source backing this up.
The judeo-christian hajj (hag in Hebrew) was to Jerusalem. There is no record of pilgrimage towards Mecca before the time Muawiya. It's not known if the zam zam well was dug by Muawiya or by who whatsoever.
