Why every ones afraid
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I'm not one who uses social networks. On top of that, yes, I find a lot of you quite scary! o
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Peace Man Of Faith.
Qoran tell us that. No soul can help another at GOD s
Of course we can trust and help each other with the worldly chores and things,but when it comes to the other life every individual is responsible for their own salvation.
It does not mean we cannot offer our view/advice/help with our understanding of GOD s message,but others take it at their own risk. they need to double check and get their own understanding for their own good.
Qoran also tells us each individual will stand before GOD . No intercessor/helper.
Otherwise you are fine to tell me/correct me.
No worries brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Thanks for your interpretation, brother.
Be safe
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I am sorry for any inconvenience caused with my question and certainly did not want the two brothers to collide on here.
I want to ask something within the same reasoning to both of you.
Is not the part of salvation and return unto GOD , through his children(creations). I mean what salvation will I do alone if I am not able to help other people in need. I think the way to God is through his creations and not being able to meditate alone for hours in hope of talking to him.. not that am against it. but I guess we have heaps of opportunities around is at these time, to reach God by serving his people, isn't it?
Peace Man Of Faith.
Qoran tell us that. No soul can help another at GOD s
Of course we can trust and help each other with the worldly chores and things,but when it comes to the other life every individual is responsible for their own salvation.
It does not mean we cannot offer our view/advice/help with our understanding of GOD s message,but others take it at their own risk. they need to double check and get their own understanding for their own good.
Qoran also tells us each individual will stand before GOD . No intercessor/helper.
Otherwise you are fine to tell me/correct me.
No worries brother.
GOD bless you.
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Hello Fusion,
If you can help a person then this is the noblest deed one can do. I know it is a doctrinal collision here as to that only God can guide and that is true in a way (since God is existence itself) but since I also find that since we can exercise the qualities of God through union with Him it is fully possible to "shine with His Light".
But what I reacted to the most was the irrelevance argument concerning socialization which is an unfortunate misconception among some religious people. Of course our everyday chatter about nothing is just not worth anything on the great whole but the human relations and spread of "good energy" is positive. We may use our social interactions to represent God through the way we are even if the topic is irrelevant.
I may have misunderstood good logic's intention though. He is right that our worldly information is worth nil for the salvation.
Be safe
Amenuel -
I beg to differ on the context of worldly information as you put it.
God created our bodies and needs and yet you are asking us to go against it, as if to go against God.
If he wanted, we would have been souls, yes this is a test but it does not mean negative. We are to make full
use of our body else if every one will act to cleanse himself, human race will cease to exist, no?On the other hand, the love of father towards his children and so on, can be taken the same way as love of God towards his creations and we can achieve salvation through all of these worldly info-examples...?
Sorry for being sound idiot but I thought the main purpose of a true religion is to be a good human and respect others and guide others in need and of course keeping the main context (believe in god, believe in being responsible for your actions, believe in the day after etc).
I heard only sadhus in india were able to achieve what you mentioned (separation of body and soul) but seriously look at their conditions and way of life, certainly I would not want to be like them if that is the way.
cheers
Hello Fusion,
If you can help a person then this is the noblest deed one can do. I know it is a doctrinal collision here as to that only God can guide and that is true in a way (since God is existence itself) but since I also find that since we can exercise the qualities of God through union with Him it is fully possible to "shine with His Light".
But what I reacted to the most was the irrelevance argument concerning socialization which is an unfortunate misconception among some religious people. Of course our everyday chatter about nothing is just not worth anything on the great whole but the human relations and spread of "good energy" is positive. We may use our social interactions to represent God through the way we are even if the topic is irrelevant.
I may have misunderstood good logic's intention though. He is right that our worldly information is worth nil for the salvation.
Be safe
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Fusion,
You seriously misinterpret what I have been saying. It was not any miserable condition I spoke about or mistreating the Body. And even God says that He created the World as a contradiction and not to be enjoyed physically and the way is to separate yourself from the Body but it does not involve mistreating the Body. You cannot compare what I teach against those people who also have misinterpreted their purpose and live miserably. Separation can be done without murdering your own Body simply by ascension. I know because I am a separated person Spirit from the Body and my Spirit is Amenujil. I eat normally except very healthily with no sugar and small sized portions and mind my behavior not to have my face go red and be emotional so that my Body expresses itself. You cannot call that extremist yet I follow what I teach.
If I did not believe in helping or social interaction I would not spend time on this forum or meeting people outside of my home to speak about what I know, but I have not told them to do like Buddhists who nearly starve themselves to death or deprive themselves of necessary commodities because that is against the Decree in another way instead and if you treat yourself like that how are you going to treat others?
God did create this place as a contradiction and it was made corrupting and deceiving intentionally, but you can also live well in it if you are aware that your Body is your stumbling block with its instinctive drive although your purpose is focusing on the test of actually not indulging in it and ascending so that you are released from it and prove that you are a capable angel prospect by showing you can be a good father or mother or leading people towards greater goodness. Your interactions with others is you test of showing you can interact with people for goodness.
I said that our chatter means nothing as information on the greater whole but not the actual friendly interaction.
Jesua/Jesus taught this, and the prophet of Quran taught this, that the World was made as a trap from the start.
Be well
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Greeting Folks,
Why everyone is so afraid or shy on here to have a real contact outside of this forum?
It would be nice if we can have say a whatsapp group or similar direct contact..
I would love to know folks from here outside of this website ...I guess people are afraid from the impact of revealing their identity, am I right?
Cheers
I don't think it's about any identity revelations as much as it is about being picky for some people. For example, people may start personal messaging, get along and then decide to take it outside the forum. That's how it's usually happens in my experience. Then again, there are those odd elements like rlz mentions P You never know what you're going to get, I've met soothsayers, prophets, racists, hypocrites, crazies and so on and so forth...just like any other place, you have all sorts. It's interesting but I'd much rather choose my poison.
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Peace Fusion. .
I have often requested, with other like minded people, if we got together say for a conference ,a planned meet and greet each other or to share a day out/meal out somewhere central and possible for those who want to meet up, but some lived too far away and the dates suggested were not always agreed by most..
There needs to be an agreement/request by members here to initiate,say,a meeting/get together.
Because we come from different countries/different continents and have various demanding jobs/families/business,this sometimes is hard to plan.
There have been many threads where things have been suggested but nothing materialised.
We can only try again and see?
It takes time for good relationships/friendships to grow and bond together ,even if they have a lot in common.
I suppose meeting,having a chat and a meal together can be a start?
GOD bless you.
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This is excellent.
Dubai is a good place for such an event, it is easily accessible by every one in terms of visas etc.
Why don't we all get together in Dubai some where in December, weather would be perfect.Cheer
Peace Fusion. .
I have often requested, with other like minded people, if we got together say for a conference ,a planned meet and greet each other or to share a day out/meal out somewhere central and possible for those who want to meet up, but some lived too far away and the dates suggested were not always agreed by most..
There needs to be an agreement/request by members here to initiate,say,a meeting/get together.
Because we come from different countries/different continents and have various demanding jobs/families/business,this sometimes is hard to plan.
There have been many threads where things have been suggested but nothing materialised.
We can only try again and see?
It takes time for good relationships/friendships to grow and bond together ,even if they have a lot in common.
I suppose meeting,having a chat and a meal together can be a start?
GOD bless you.
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This forum used to have a chatroom - I have no clue if it was popular or not. But it shouldn't be too hard to register a chatroom (eg on an IRC-server) and link to it in this thread. Of course, this would require permission from the administrators. If this idea is liked and permitted I'm willing to set something up.
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Peace Fusion.
Let us see if others are interested?
Thanks for the suggestion.
GOD bless you.
Peace. -
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Peace everyone,
Perhaps many members in this forum are reserved/introverted and prefer to work alone in the cause of the creator. Working alone a lot of the time is a good thing in my opinion. However, I think the best thing to do is to work alone but also work with other people (preferably muslims/mumins). That being said, I think it is easier said than done.
If someone wants to make a difference, I think he/she will benefit a lot by collaborating with likeminded individuals. And I think it will make him/her stronger. There is a quote that says, "United we stand, divided we fall."
There are some verses in the quran that seem to encourage us to collaborate/cooperate with eachother in the cause of the creator.
Quran 614 God loves those who fight in His cause as one column; they are like bricks in a wall.
Quran 971 And the believing males and the believing females, they are allies to one another. They order good and prohibit vice, and they hold the contact prayer, and they contribute towards purification and they obey God and His messenger. God will have mercy on them; God is Noble, Wise.
Personally, I have no friends that follow Quran-oriented islam. And until now I have worked alone (not collaborated with others) when it comes to spreading the message of quran and islam. However, I have friends that are muslims and friends that are non-muslims. Some people claim that muslims can't befriend non-muslims. But I disagree. Because verses 608-9 in the Quran instruct us that we can befriend non-muslims who do not fight us because of our deen (system/religion/way of life).
Quran 608-9 God does not forbid you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable. But God forbids you befriending only those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors.
In my opinion, it does not matter if a person is a christian, a muslim, a jew, a buddhist, a hinduist, an agnostic or even an atheist. I support any person that stands for truth, justice, peace, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality and human rights. It seems that the only way human beings can achieve world peace, is by focusing on our similiarities instead of our differences. There is a verse in the quran that states that we should compete in doing good works. That being said, there are also some verses in the Quran that seem to imply that we should cooperate in doing good works. If we unite, we can succeed in achieving both our spiritual and our worldly objectives, in my opinion. There is a proverb which goes like this
"When spiders unite, they can tie down a lion."
- Ethiopian Proverb
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The idea is interesting...Allah recommend ppl from different culture..back ground to get to know each other and socialize... modern technology make it easy and feasible.. I think one or two would carry out that and put some rules or regulations...
Peace Hope, all,
I agree. In verse 4913, the Quran states that Allah made us into nations and tribes that we may know each other.
Quran 4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Ever-aware.
What I think is interesting about this verse is that it eliminates "the notion that one tribe/nation is better than another." In other words, the Quran seems to support equality and condemn racism/supremacy. And it seems that people will only be judged on the scale of righteousness. Those who claim that islam supports racism, have been deceived, in my opinion. I think the notion that "islam supports racism" is a great misconception.
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I volunteer to be your guide in Dubai as I know the place very well. However the main purpose is to be able to talk, discuss (face to face) and that will be something... I hope you guys will seriously think about the Dubai get together.
cheers
I appreciate your effort and idea ... but this Dubai issue may not be feasible to may.. it can suit who live in the gulf countries or visit them frequency..
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Quran 4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Ever-aware.
What I think is interesting about this verse is that it eliminates "the notion that one tribe/nation is better than another." In other words, the Quran seems to support equality and condemn racism/supremacy. And it seems that people will only be judged on the scale of righteousness. Those who claim that islam supports racism, have been deceived, in my opinion. I think the notion that "islam supports racism" is a great misconception.
Agreed
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Dubai is like mini world for several years. People come to duabi from every where.
I just gave the idea, it could be any place. Istanbul is another place.
Usa is out of my reach but if you guys are mostly from west countries, then you are right, better meet some where close.
CheersI appreciate your effort and idea ... but this Dubai issue may not be feasible to may.. it can suit who live in the gulf countries or visit them frequency..
