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    This manipulation was made gradually made since the early caliphs it began with the addition of "Nasara" in texts, since Omar, the adding intended to justify the reversal of alliance against the judeonazarenes. Then it continued until the 10th century by forcing the meaning of words in the Quran and building around it a discourse justifying this new sense (with as a key, the force of Hadith and other chronicles of so-called historians). The Ummah has become the Muslim community alone (initially the community of Arabs in the new religion of Abraham, and the community of all Muslims with the opening of the universal Islam under the Abbasids). The "People of the Book" have become believers of the three monotheistic religions each with a holy book.

    By the way, this new concept of "People of the Book" suits Islam well as it becomes a religion just as valid as the other two, with a Koran it claims as completely comparable to the Bible ( and even better). This is further justification with the story of the prophet's discourse of succession of divine revelations correcting eachother, one after another and completed with Islam. This very subtle theological construction moreover allows to explain the similarities between the monotheistic religions (hence the qualifier "Abrahamic religions&quot They are obvious in view of the many shared laws, customs and traditions and troubling similarities between the sacred texts. We now know what is the real reason. And this is especially true for Messianic Judaism and Islam, which we now understand, are very close relatives who are unaware of eachother. Returning to the terminology of manipulation it retracts the judeonazarenes indeed. Their old designation of "Nasara" now returns to Christians. When we want to change reality, we always start by changing the meaning of words. It has also twisted the meaning of "kuffar" and the verb "kafara" (cover, to cover up) which characterized the rabbinical Jews versus the Nazarene Jews, to give them new meaning of "infidels" and "unbelievers" and respectively "to reject" and "to deny". This avoids uncomfortable questions being raised about the reasons of distincting between bad Jews who "conceal their texts" and good Jews who do not cover them who are these good Jews then? So why would they be friends of Muslims? What had these evil jews concealed so they are hated as much? Finally, the meaning was distorted from "musrikun" which originally meant Christians to the famous invented polytheists, similar to how this mythical "jahiliya" was invented , this time of ignorance in which they received the Islamic revelation. In the end, this is how we come to find all the concepts that justify the discourse of Islam in the Quran.

    Some transfers of real history to the Islamic discourse

    Along with these manipulations of terminology, manipulations were also made to the historical and geographical material of actual origins of Islam. This was of course initially to mask the role of judeonazarism. Then, driven by the game of outbidding, it led to the current discourse. It proceeded on the one hand to a self-justification of logic, but also to a logical interpretation of the historical evidence. Among these testimonies, there was of course the Quran, whose verses became very obscure and which required an effort of consistent imagination to make sense of them. There was also material evidence place names, buildings, such as mosques and the nonconforming qibla or the Dome of the Rock (which originally had nothing to do with the night journey it's supposed to celebrate according to the Muslim discourse, as we recall).

    But there were also oral testimonies, the memories reported by word of mouth which had to be reinterpreted with the formation of hadiths. The first collections of these hadiths appeared at the end of the 8th century, there has been considerable inflation of these "testimonies" as we move further away in time or further from the words spoken as they were supposed to be reported. We see them competing with eachother with more and more details and which fifty or a hundred years ago the few testimonies related to the same subjects proved very much more succinct or did not exist at all. The goals of these manipulations are clear to attribute to the figure of an idealized Muhammad the remains and memories of historical events which resulted in Islam. Without going into the details of all these transfers, here are some of the most emblematic in the sense of logic of manipulation

    • In geographical terms, the most significant transfers are those that affect the environment of the tribe of Muhammad (around Latakia in northwestern Syria, as we have seen); changing to Mecca names places, names of hills, destination of the pilgrimage (originally made to Jerusalem) and prayer orientations ...

    • In a historical perspective, it was the same for the memory of ancient battles that ultimately led to the surrender of Jerusalem, transferred and deformed in the Muslim discourse in as many episodes of the struggle of the party of Medinan against the supposed Meccans.

    • In terms of inspiring figures, the influence of judeonazarene preachers could not be hidden. We find the figure of the judeonazarene priest Waraqa who in the Muslim discourse is simply made a Christian priest. About Bahirah, he is a late figure in the Islamic discourse; he is found first in the Christian apologetic to personify the judeonazarene environment which indoctrinated Muhammad. Islamic discourse partially returns this figure by making him a Christian monk who recognizes the prophethood of Muhammad.

    • Regarding the anti-Judaism in the Islamic discourse, we can find its true source in the judeonazarene opposition towards the rabbinical Jews (as we shall see later in the review of the Qur'an). To recall, it was particularly materialized during the conquest of Jerusalem in 614, when the rabbinical jews drove their judeonazarene cousins and their Arab allies out of the city or region. In the final Islamic discourse, this souvenir is spoken of with the theme of betrayal, particularly that of the "Jewish tribes" of Medina. This story also refers to Muhammad's life certain events befallen otherwise and later under Umar in 640, when Arab leaders had broken with the judeonazarenes, massacred their leaders and expelled others. In the current Muslim narrative, these memories, of anti-Judaism which it relates to Mohammed giving it legitimacy, are expressed by the expulsion by the "Prophet" of two of the "three Jewish tribes of Medina" (fictitiously placed in 624-625) and the massacre of the third (supposedly 627).

    • The theme of illegitimate challenges to the authority of the representative of God on earth does not arise at the time of the historical Muhammad. But the extension of his sacralized figure to his successors (the rachidun or "rightly guided&quot, will be used to legitimize the authority of the following caliphs. When it is said that Mohammed represses the opposition of Munafiqun (hypocrites), all present and future opponents are covered - the wars of apostasy (al houroub ridda) are thus legitimized.

    What then are the elements of reality that have crossed the manufacturing of hadiths and formation of the Muslim discourse? The following diagram incorporates some elements within this historical reality, reinterpreted within the final Islamic legend (10th century), highlighting the transfers in space and in time.

    http//i.imgur.com/e65Xfzq.png

    We referring here to a Judaism claiming for itself a messianic project. This temptation has never left rabbinic Judaism, it is being expressed for example in the episode of Sabbatai Zevi in the 17th century, or today among some "ultras" of Zionism, including those wanting to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
    It is to meet this requirement that a Muslim would invent this discourse of small girls being buried alive in the time of polytheists (mentioned in the introduction), wishing to interpret this verse in the sense intended by this concept of jahiliya "He hides himself from the people because of the ill of which he has been informed. Should he keep it (he little newly born girl) in humiliation or bury it in the ground? Unquestionably, evil is what they decide." (S16,59). The Muslim discourse insists to mean "bury" in the Arabic phrase (dassa fi-t-turab), whose primary meaning is nevertheless that of "lay in the dust," or "to give up". Today this expression has even become synonymous with "burying" another example of manipulation of discourse.
    These include the iconic Bukhari hadith "The time will not rise until the Muslims fight the Jews, to the point that the Jew will hide behind rocks and trees. The rocks and trees will say, "O Muslim Here is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!". Unless a thorny tree of Jerusalem named "gharqad". It is indeed a tree belonging to the Jews. "

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      This manipulation was made gradually made since the early caliphs it began with the addition of "Nasara" in texts, since Omar, the adding intended to justify the reversal of alliance against the judeonazarenes. Then it continued until the 10th century by forcing the meaning of words in the Quran and building around it a discourse justifying this new sense (with as a key, the force of Hadith and other chronicles of so-called historians). The Ummah has become the Muslim community alone (initially the community of Arabs in the new religion of Abraham, and the community of all Muslims with the opening of the universal Islam under the Abbasids). The "People of the Book" have become believers of the three monotheistic religions each with a holy book.

      There are lot of going on during Abbasid era..
      Which I believe can "enrich" your essay or hypothesis..

      One of important "chapter" within the Abbasid era (which also lay the foundation of events to come afterwards)
      was how they use the Islam religion to "Solve the Turkic problem".

      Initially the Abbasid were not so "religious".. "scientific method" and "critical thinking" find it's initial root there..

      Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi (living around 900 AD) during the height of Abbassid era wrote (among others) the earliest writings of "critics towards dogmatic thinking and religion".

      "On what ground do you deem it necessary that God should single out certain individuals , that he should set them up above other people, that he should appoint them to be the people's guides, and make people dependent upon them?"

      "If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."

      "You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say "Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one." Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. , By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say "Produce something like it"?!"
      -- Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi (Obviously a kuffar and an apostate even with today's Islam standard)

      The dude was also a brilliant scientist + physician, wrote many other materials related to diseases, anatomy and biology.
      He's now considered as "Father of pediatrics".

      He was not murdered, tortured or captured due to his blatant and up front approach criticizing religion and it's dogmatic thinking.
      It shows

      1. "The religious" were not powerful during that era.
      2. There were conflict among "The religious / Clerics" versus "Critical thinker / Scientist" within the Abbasid society.

      After the Abbassid era, there isn't any similar "critics towards dogmatic thinking and religion" on any part of the world.. until late 19th century. And continues up until today.

      Back to the Abbassid and their "Turkish problem"..

      The rise of converted Turkish kingdoms (overthrowing the disintegrated Abbassid) also open a new chapter for "The Religion of Islam". The once Arab's controlled religion of Islam was being used and applied by the new Turkish ruler to promote their agenda, kingdom's wealth and power expansion. This is the first time that the religion of Islam was applied without the Arabic language by non Semitic people (neither Arabs or Jews) and the religion works very well with them. Up to the era of Ottoman Caliphate.. until early 20th century.

      And much later on, the religion of Islam was again used by non-Semitic people (the invading Mongols, Timurid) with the same purpose.. expanding their dominion to the east.. Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, crossing the sea to Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines.. And it also works well for them.. without the Arabic language..

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        The Abbasid era is definitely interesting but falls a bit out of scope of the work, dealing mostly on the origins of Islam. The Abbasid era already had a fixated Quranic text (dating back to Uthman), this of course doesn't negate the fabrication of hadith was still a flourishing business. I found what you posted to be a very interesting piece of criticism, which demonstrates that the inconsistencies resulting from the text manipulation and manipulation of discourse was already a topic during the Abbasid period.

        By Islamic standards, Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi would have been called an apostate and a kuffar. Anyone opposing the islamic discourse is labeled as such in the modern Islamic discourse.

        However, originally kuffar never meant any such thing. It was a precise word used for those who "conceal" (Jewish communities who didn?t recognize Jesus as the Messiah).

        You can find E-M Gallez excellent article on the aramaic root kfr here

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          The Abbasid era is definitely interesting but falls a bit out of scope of the work, dealing mostly on the origins of Islam.

          By Islam here you mean "The Religion of Islam as we recognized today"?
          If that's the case, the Abbasid era (and also the Turkic and Mongolian era) should be put inside the "scope of work".

          The author has addressed the "Semitic" (judeo, arabs etc..) root of Religion of Islam. And how come he disregard the "Persian, Turkic and Mongoloid" root of Religion of Islam?

          The most notable example is
          The Turkic + Mongoloid culture and religion of "Tengriism" has 'contributed' this
          http//www.peacefulmind.com/images/symbols/crescent_star.jpg

          To the Religion of Islam.
          Many people has died and willing to die just to 'defend' the honor of the above symbol..

          The Abbasid era already had a fixated Quranic text (dating back to Uthman), this of course doesn't negate the fabrication of hadith was still a flourishing business. I found what you posted to be a very interesting piece of criticism, which demonstrates that the inconsistencies resulting from the text manipulation and manipulation of discourse was already a topic during the Abbasid period.

          text manipulation and manipulation of discourse has happened since the "Semitic" era of the religion of Islam. As the author has pointed out...

          By Islamic standards, Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi would have been called an apostate and a kuffar. Anyone opposing the islamic discourse is labeled as such in the modern Islamic discourse.

          Anyone who oppose the "Official Doctrine" will be treated harshly as he or she is a "threat" to the social and power structure of the society.

          You can see the evidence of such even inside this forum right?

          One that really amazed me was how Razi can "get away with it" during the Abbassid era. He was not being apprehended, murdered, tortured or burned at the stake.

          A giant leap of improvement, considering what happened to Abraham when he opposed the religion of his time at nearly the same place much centuries earlier.

          Which makes the "Abbassid era" an interesting subject to dig further..
          Unfortunately the majority of the writings during that era was lost when the Mongols burned and sacked Baghdad. (13th century)

          You can find E-M Gallez excellent article on the aramaic root kfr here

          I'm aware of that..
          Those who has "something to hide"
          That's why they reacted with "Force" trying to instill fear and terror to those who tried to expose the things which he or she is trying to hide.

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            http//i.imgur.com/e65Xfzq.png

            As complicated as it may seem, this scheme does not claim completeness. Islamic discourse has become remarkable complex to satisfy its logic and internal consistency. Muslim tradition has recreated a mythical past, borrowing some real memories transformed by the imagination of scribes and the religious. Obviously, it is also necessary to consider that the Qur'anic text was already spread, resulting in an imaginative game of back and forth between interpretation of this text and the 'making of the past. " In the end, one has the illusion of a clear history and a text that would be just as clear. Some verses of the Quran are also invoked to confirm this clarity in the eyes of Muslims, despite the fact that its making mention of a total different text (the "qor'?no" or "Koran" of judeonazarenes, their lectionary, which existed already). In fact, no careful reader of the Quran can find it clear and the Islamic themes of clarity and the "miracle of the Qur'an" lend themselves to laughter, in addition to the loss of a number of meanings, successive manipulations removed the text of the original Quranic sheets and the clarity which it claims.

            Despite all their talent, it was indeed impossible for the scribes of the caliphs to retain overall consistency to a text as big as it was when they began to manipulate it, and started playing with the meaning of words. To change the meaning of an expression requires it be compatible with all its occurrence in all 114 suras and 6236 verses accounted for in the canonical version of the Quran. And if this new meaning is in conflict with what is already written in it, we must make further manipulations, textual or interpretative. It is even less possible given that it must also take into account requirements linked to the concealment of the real historical and geographical origins how to achieve to keep everything in line with what is demanded by the Islamic discourse and tradition?

            Despite the meticulous effort which Islam makes to absolutely destroy everything that preceded it, there always remain traces. The believer must therefor believe so willingly or by force, without question, without doubt. Doubt is also one of the worst sins in Islam. And if the threat of hell and terrible punishments awaiting the wrong believers is not yet enough, the punishment can also be very earthly apostasy, already subject to hell according to the Koran, is also punishable by death (in the words of the hadith related by Muhammad Bukhari "Whoever changes his religion, kill him&quot. Every believer is encouraged to monitor and correct his neighbor, his friend, his son, his daughter or his parents if they prove guilty of deviance. Any "novelty" (bidah) is perceived as heretical, reprimanded and banned since the crystallization of Islam in the 10th century. The prohibition of critical thinking that has prevailed thus locks the believer forever into submission to religion according to its discourse and logic. And since religion has been reduced to the idealized figure of Muhammad, the prohibition of critical thinking will apply in particular about him. Any doubt, any critical approach - not even talking about the cartoons - are therefore more than prohibited they are sacrilegious.

            Yet even a simple reading of the Quranic text raises many questions, as we shall see.

            Among the many references of the Quran concerning clarity of language and intelligibility of its own verses, we cite the following s5,15 "There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book."; s26,192-195 "And indeed, the Qur'an is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds. The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it down. Upon your heart, - that you may be of the warners - In a clear Arabic language."; s39,28 " an Arabic Qur'an, without any deviance that they might become righteous"
            114 is also the number of "logia" of the apocryphal Gospel of Thomas, a writing a widely circulated during the first centuries in Syria and in judeonazarene environments.

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              By Islam here you mean "The Religion of Islam as we recognized today"?
              If that's the case, the Abbasid era (and also the Turkic and Mongolian era) should be put inside the "scope of work".

              The author has addressed the "Semitic" (judeo, arabs etc..) root of Religion of Islam. And how come he disregard the "Persian, Turkic and Mongoloid" root of Religion of Islam?

              The most notable example is
              The Turkic + Mongoloid culture and religion of "Tengriism" has 'contributed' this
              http//www.peacefulmind.com/images/symbols/crescent_star.jpg

              To the Religion of Islam.
              Many people has died and willing to die just to 'defend' the honor of the above symbol..

              text manipulation and manipulation of discourse has happened since the "Semitic" era of the religion of Islam. As the author has pointed out...

              Anyone who oppose the "Official Doctrine" will be treated harshly as he or she is a "threat" to the social and power structure of the society.

              You can see the evidence of such even inside this forum right?

              One that really amazed me was how Razi can "get away with it" during the Abbassid era. He was not being apprehended, murdered, tortured or burned at the stake.

              A giant leap of improvement, considering what happened to Abraham when he opposed the religion of his time at nearly the same place much centuries earlier.

              Which makes the "Abbassid era" an interesting subject to dig further..
              Unfortunately the majority of the writings during that era was lost when the Mongols burned and sacked Baghdad. (13th century)

              I'm aware of that..
              Those who has "something to hide"
              That's why they reacted with "Force" trying to instill fear and terror to those who tried to expose the things which he or she is trying to hide.

              The Abassid period is mentioned by the author where the Mu`tazila are mentioned. It is a part of the "crystallization" of Islam. It is not discussed in detail since it had no influence on the already "fixated" Quranic text and it does not help shedding more light on the origins of Islam. The Abassid era universalized Islam; this explains why it also was more tolerant towards criticism (at least during certain parts of it). It was literally impossible to keep everyone in check and it had to appeal to a much more diverse audience of converts. The Abassid era does remain interesting as it had a time in which critical thinking flourished for a while. But keep in mind this time of free thinking was soon after crushed by proto-sunnism, which eventually evolved into the modern day sunnism we know today. Proto-sunnism was an allergic reaction to the free thinking of the mutazila (which briefly had the support of the Abassid rulership and had many heterodox interpretations).

              In this sense the Abassid era has all the features of the vicious circle as shown in the earlier posted diagram. Mutazila raising critical questions => discord in the ummah => return to enforcing sunnah and hadith.

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                WHAT DOES THE QURAN ITSELF SAY ABOUT THE GREAT SECRET OF ISLAM?

                Despite its current state, the Qur'an is worth studying closely. We now have some reading keys that can take down the manipulations suffered by the text or imposed on its reading by the Islamic discourse.

                We have spoken about some, such as the invention of the prophethood of Muhammad (this is undoubtedly the main manipulation of Islam), such as changes in terminology designating the different believers, historical and geographical transfers of origins of Islam, the invention of Mecca, the invention of the Qur'an as a book that is being dictated but nevertheless making reference to itself as an already written book, the resacralization Jerusalem (since Abd al-Malik) after its desecration (640) - and there are many others ...

                We will also take into account the profound manipulations suffered by the text of the Quran. Its compilation and its "editions" of the 7th and 8th century under the conditions that we now discern and followed by the work of scribes of Baghdad caliphs have led to a disruption of the logical sequence of ideas in its suras and verses . The disappearance of whole passages deemed harmful to the new dogmas, additions of phrases, even whole verses add to the confusion, to the inconsistencies, to the breaking down of meaning. In addition, the compilers chose to classify the suras in spite of common sense, by decreasing length. The scholars of Islam who studied in the first centuries the inconsistencies that resulted from it had to invent a chronology of the Suras of revelation to mitigate them. We have already seen how this parallel was established by classification between Meccan suras and Medinan suras (also known as pre-and post-hijra suras). This arbitrary distinction masks the true historical underpinnings and inconsistencies in the Quran, further enabling commentators to promote violence and commands of hatred through the doctrine of abrogation and the abrogated which was previously detailed.

                Here are some selected verses, delivered to the sagacity of the reader. They are classified according to some of the major themes of the judeonazarene preaching that appear when you know how to decipher with good reading keys. Between Muslim holy history and decrypted history, informed reader can choose which version seems the most likely. They are presented in tables that detail the Quranic verses , the meaning in Islam and interpretation that can disentangle the various manipulations as outlined above.

                Reciting the lectionary adapted to Arab by judeonazarenes

                Remember, the original mentions of the word "Koran" in the Qur'anic text clearly refers to a lectionary then used. This lectionary is the collection of texts from the Torah and the Gospel used by judeonazarenes, Aramaic for themselves, Arabic translation for their Arab allies. As we have seen, the word "Qur'an" itself reveal this use of lectionary, quite comparable to how the East SyrianAramaic christans are still using their "qor'?no "(or" qer'yana &quot. Numerous copies of these lectionaries were accompanied by oral preaching, carried out by the judeonazarenes themselves and by converted Arabs, including Mohammed and probably a few other preachers.

                To support this preaching, judeonazarenes have given their instructions in leaflets of catechesis, teaching and exhortation written in Arabic. If one judges by the oldest manuscripts of the collection which will be called "Koran" in turn,they were more a kind of notes and memory aids that consisted of a manual (hence initial drafting of simple consonant letters without vowels). The form of some verses indicates in some cases writings of Arab followers, future preachers, under the dictation of their Nazarene masters. Every preacher should have with him his sheets to prepare and organize his sermons. These are specifically collections, selections (sometimes divergent) and manipulations of these sheets after 640 that will be the source of the Quran in the Islamic conditions we have explained. The lectionaries that had been translated into Arabic were then destroyed, as well as judeonazarene reference texts (lectionaries in Aramaic, Gospel, Torah, that is to say the "Book ", the "Mother Writing&quot. They remembered too much of the memory of the old masters of the religion for them to survive.

                | Quranic Text
                | Meaning in Islam
                | Decrypted

                | The Detailed Verses
                4144 Had We sent this as a Qur'an other than Arabic, they would have said "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! not in Arabic and They are being called from a place far distant!" (IFTA translation)
                | (pre-Hijra)
                Muhammad faces the fierce opposition of the Meccans. Allah here takes note of their criticism of the choice of Arabic as the language of revelation of Quran. He explained later to Muhammad that despite all his efforts, the world is still divided between those who believe and those who will not believe.
                | The judeonazarene teacher explains to the Arab preacher the need for a lectionary in the Arab language for the use of preaching to his flock rather than returning them to the Hebrew scriptures or to a lectionary written in Aramaic which they could not understand and they would have considered alien to their culture. He gives him some arguments to convince the Arab audience of the benefits of this lectionary, while warning him that he will always find disbelievers facing him

                |

                | Yunus, or Jonah
                1037. This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. (IFTA translation)

                | (pre-Hijra)
                Allah says the divine origin of the Quran and the truth, confirming the scriptures revealed before to the Jews and the Christians (original writings, they have falsified and who disappeared) on the immutable model of the heavenly Quran.

                | The judeonazarene master says his lectionary and the preaching which accompanies it does not blaspheme the Holy Scriptures on the contrary, they are based directly on the Torah, which is obviously coming from God himself.

                |

                | YUSUF, or Joseph
                121. Alif Lam Ra These are the symbols of the perspicuous Book.
                122. We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom.
                123. We do relate unto thee the most beautiful of stories, in that We reveal to thee this Qur'an before this, thou too was among those who knew it not.
                (IFTA translation)
                | (pre-Hijra)
                Allah speaks to Muhammad. It refers to the revelation of His own words contained in the Quran, even if it is not yet written at a time when the angel Gabriel conveyed the word of Allah to Muhammad. This revelation exceeds all previous revelations (meaning Jewish and Christian). The follow-up of the Sura will clarify the story of Joseph son of Jacob, persecuted prophet of Allah, of which the persecution must be put in parallel with that of Mohammed by the Meccans.

                | The Arab preacher, converted to judeonazarism (or judeonazarene himself) addresses an Arab audience and presents the translation he made to Arabic of the lectionary of texts from the Torah and the Gospel. He is about to review for his Arab audience the story of the biblical Joseph, contained in the "clear book" (the Torah). To do this, he adapted to Arabic a traditional Jewish tale relating to this Joseph; following this Surah 12 is indeed an incomprehensible comment except for those (Christian Arabs) already knowing the biblical account.

                |

                | Zukhruf, or Gold Adornments
                432. By the Book that makes things clear,-
                433. We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand .
                434. And verily, it is in the Mother of the Book, in Our Presence, high , full of wisdom.
                (IFTA translation)

                | (pre-Hijra)
                God glorifies the celestial Quran (see Night Journey) and the revelation that He has done in Arabic to Mohammed for the Arabs and all the men following them so they can understand. This will allow him to urge the Meccans to be converted by dismantling their criticisms and their false religion in the rest of the Sura.

                | The judeonazarenes remind Arab preachers and the Arabs themselves, that they have translated into Arabic a lectionary consisting of selected texts from the Torah (the explicit "Book&quot which they keep in their possession, in Hebrew (the Mother Writing , the writing in sacred liturgical language). With this, the Arabs will be able to understand by themselves the wisdom that this precious Torah contains.

                |

                | Yunus, or Jonah
                1094. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord so be in no wise of those in doubt.

                | (pre-Hijra)
                Faced with criticism from Makkah, Allah recommends Muhammad and Muslims to visit Christians and Jews who received during their time a similar revelation. This will prove difficult because they have falsified their scriptures. The meaning of this verse is to be taken in future, addressing the Muslims who doubt and recommending them to consult then Muslims more wiser and more advanced in knowledge of religion then themselves.

                | The preacher recommends its Arab audience to directly question the judeonazarenes when in doubt they have been reading the Torah for a long time and will be able to explain it to them, as well as this new religion they are preaching.

                | Qiyamat, or the Resurrection
                7416. Move not thy tongue concerning the to make haste therewith.
                7417. It is for Us to collect it and to promulgate it
                7418. But when We have promulgated it, follow thou its recital
                7419. Nay more, it is for Us to explain it
                (IFTA translation)

                | (pre-Hijra)
                The word Qur'an in these verses 17 and 18 is read as referring to the Qur'anic text. Therefore, we must expound the verses so they refer thereto. IFTA offers the translation of (16) as "Do not move your tongue to hasten its recitation (17) its collection (in your heart and fixing it in your memory) and how to recite it is our responsibility. According to the Islamic comments, we see here Allah asking Muhammad to not say more than what has already been revealed to him and comply exactly with the terms of the recitation of the Qur'an as it was made by the angel Gabriel, without trying to interpret it for himself which comes only Allah. These verses guarantee that Muhammad preached the exact revelation of Allah, no more, no less. The affirmation of the impossibility for man to interpret the Quran (which belongs only to Allah Himself) is taken in s3,7 "(...) no one knows the interpretation but Allah. "

                |
                The word "Qur'an" means the lectionary (recitation) translated by judeonazarenes for their Arab allies. The manipulations of the Qur'anic text of the time of the caliphs wanted to make it evoke the heavenly Quran (that is the purpose of the additions). But here it appears with its original meaning, that of recitation. What did the Arabs have to recite? What they learned about the "Day of Judgment". Regis Blachere and offers this translation (17) we collect it and preach it. (1 When we preach it, be in preaching. The meaning of these verses is therefore entirely fitting the theme of Sura 75 the judgment that is to come, the end of time, the advent of the perfect society impatiently expected by the judeonazarenes and their Arab allies. In the particular extract of this Surah, we see the judeonazarene master berating his pupil, a preacher in the Arabic language feverish at the prospect of the "Day of Judgment". They urge him to adhere strictly to the teaching he receives with the texts of the lectionary which he must learn by heart, and whose compilation (order) and explanation only befall to the judeonazarenes fall.

                |

                | Baqara, or the Heifer
                21 Alif, Lam, Mim
                (IFTA translation)

                Sometimes abbreviated as "ALM", these letters are included in the introduction to 29 of the 113 suras in the Quran. Other group of of letters are included in the same way opening other suras

                | (pre-Hijra)
                The editor states that "the letters of the alphabet do not have any special meaning. The Prophet himself did not seem to have clarified their meaning. "These letters are still an enigma of Islam. Numerous commentators consider them one of the miracles of the Qur'an, only Allah knows their meaning.

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                The letters "A", "L", "M" in Hebrew are the abbreviation for "God of salvation " the traditional opening for the religious Jews and judeonazarenes for their prayers and sermons. Their frequent use in the Quran opening suras unquestionably indicates its Jewish references, or rather judeonazarene references. These being completely forgotten by the Muslim tradition is very revealing of the former retraction of these references.

                The text in brackets (...) are the comments or aids to understanding the Qur'anic text added by the publisher, according to Islamic tradition (glosses). We also added a case by case text in brackets to assist in the understanding of the text cited are the words of the Quran in Arabic transliterated into Latin script or reading notes. The translations used the IFTA (canonical reference translation) of Regis Blachere (French orientalist) or Muhammad Hamidullah (more literal translation, and often closer to the Arab sense).
                In addition to the reading notes are present in most editions of the Qur'an and various Islamic scholars of tafsir, the internet is full of websites explaining the meaning of the Quran by the Islamic discourse that accompanies it. This one, for example, is quite well done

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                  The letters "A", "L", "M" in Hebrew are the abbreviation for "God of salvation " the traditional opening for the religious Jews and judeonazarenes for their prayers and sermons. Their frequent use in the Quran opening suras unquestionably indicates its Jewish references, or rather judeonazarene references. These being completely forgotten by the Muslim tradition is very revealing of the former retraction of these references.

                  Interesting hypothesis, do you have any reference?

                  ALM in Hebrew will be Aleph Lamed Mem

                  It might be a shortened / abbreviated form of Aleph Lamed He Yod Mem (Elohym)

                  Or Aleph Lamed Mem (Eylem) itself in Hebrew means "Silence! or Hush!", a saying telling the audience to be quiet and pay attention to the speaker.
                  Ref http//www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/hwview.cgi?n=482

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                    Hi Jafar

                    About ALM

                    Runninglikezebras translated what I wrote in French about "ALM" into "God of salvation". One can also translate into "God of deliverances" (but "salvation" is very close to "deliverances&quot

                    ALM in Hebrew 'el lem?sh??t
                    A= alif = first letter of Hebrew 'el = Arabic il?h
                    L= preposition
                    M = first letter of m?sh??t

                    This can be found in Psalm 68,21 (or 68,20, depending on editions) "Our God is a God of Deliverances"
                    You can see it here
                    http//qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/psalms/68.html
                    http//www.messianic-torah-truth-seeker.org/Scriptures/Tenakh/Tehillim/Tehillim68.htm

                    The scholar who found this is austrian professor Kurt Hruby (he was catholic, born from a jewish mother, studied the Talmud at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and was a judaism teacher at the Catholic Institute of Paris). This can be found in Bruno-Bonnet Eymard's translation of the Quran (Le Coran, traduction et commentaire syst?matique, tome 1), also in Sami Awad Aldeeb Abu-Sahlieh's translation (Le Coran, version bilingue arabe-fran?aise), and of course in Edouard-Marie Gallez's thesis (Le Messie et son Proph?te). Those are all French editions ...

                    The intepretation you provided as "silence" is also very interesting ! I will discuss it with Edouard-Marie Gallez. It also links the Quran to a jewish/aramaic background.

                    The scientific approach of the Quran is very new, lots and lots of things like this are to be discovered. Still, there is no scientific edition of the Quran yet. The work of Corpus Coranicum project is painstakingly slow ....

                    Peace,

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                      To my knowledge, the quranic term for 'salvation/deliverence' is 'prqan'.

                      That said,

                      ALM

                      Lit ? Bind (MSA &#1591
                      Fig ? Mute (MSA &#1578

                      Arabic ? Hebrew

                      (1) Silence (MSA &#1578. i.e. Be silent. Be mute (or speechless).
                      (2) A primitive root; to tie fast; hence (of the mouth) to be tongue-tied - i.e., Bind, b

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                      e dumb, put to silence.


                      Etymology
                      Biblical Hebrew ? (alam)

                      Noun (il?m) ? Mute (unable to speak)
                      Verb (il?m) ? transitive ? (He/it) bundled, bound.

                      Phonetic Spelling aw?lam / Arabic Spelling alm (or alm&#702


                      Quranic Frequency
                      6 times (21, 31, 291, 301, 311, 321)

                      Biblical Frequency
                      http//biblesuite.com/hebrew/481.htm
                      http//biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_481.htm

                      The above is not necessarily correct.

                      Slm

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                        Hello,

                        Let me comment even if many of you do not wish my commentary.

                        means "Be as of this" or "This is of" + attribute given by sentence. The first three letters of the second chapter of Quran is supposed to be read as a word, and it is obvious that an independent trilateral word without affixes cannot have a too advanced and long meaning.

                        If someone ever has chosen to translate the word as "God of salvation" that is relatively far-fetched. That may be if they mistakenly have taken the EL (ELAH) to refer to God which is yet a poor translation. If the GOD word is inserted into the translation rather than "Be Such" of Salvation/Solution then it may explain it better.

                        Otherwise it is quite easy to analyze the word. It contains of the AL prefix attached to the letter Meem and the whole word can be interpreted as a grammatical function or preposition. Morphological breakdown "Be Like - Thereof". AL is supposed to be understood similar to using "the" in English, although AL is little bit more advanced than in English stemming from the root Alif-Lam-Lam, i.e. you are not supposed to reflect upon it much when you use the language yet it is important for grammar.

                        The "mysterious" initials of Quran were placed there to subtly show the perceptive person that every single Semitic letter is supposed to carry their own distinct meaning.

                        Be safe
                        Amenuel

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                          Winning the Arabs for the messianic project

                          The purpose of the judeonazarene indoctrination is to enlist the Arabs into the project of reconquest of Jerusalem, reconstruction of the temple and return of the "Messiah Jesus". This project can be seen in the worldview according to the judeonazarenes forged by their messianism the true believers of the true religion, the pure, the just have to work for the return of the Messiah on earth. He will make them His elect in His new earthly kingdom, in which He has eradicated any opponent (and thus all evil). All this so that they can live there in luxury and bliss.

                          | Quranic Text
                          | Meaning in Islam
                          | Decrypted

                          | Tin, or The Fig
                          951. By the Fig and the Olive,
                          952. And the Mount of Sinai,
                          953. And this City of security,-
                          954. We have indeed created man in the best of moulds,
                          955. Then do We abase him the lowest of the low,-
                          956. Except such as believe and do righteous deeds For they shall have a reward unfailing.
                          (IFTA translation)

                          |
                          (pre-Hijra)
                          Evoking territories producing the fig and olive (Israel, Judea and Palestine,
                          place of Allah's revelation to Jesus), Mount Sinai (place of Allah's revelation
                          to Moses) and the city of Mecca (safe city, a place of revelation from Allah
                          to Muhammad), Allah refers to the three monotheistic revelations to exalt
                          Islam in his creation, man, he created originally Muslim ("its most perfect
                          form," therefore superior to all others that are "at the lowest&quot. He urges
                          man eventually to embrace Islam and to accomplish His divine will to
                          enter the heavenly paradise.

                          |
                          Referring successively Mount of Fig trees (symbol of the garden of paradise garden ),
                          Mount of Olives (hill of Jerusalem, the place of the return of "the Messiah Jesus" in all its
                          power, focal point of eschatology developed by judeonazarenes), Mount Sinai (place of
                          Moses' encounter with God, which is where he received the Torah) and the Holy Land,
                          Israel (the translation forces the meaning of the Arabic phrase "safe country" into
                          "safe city" to better be able to designate Mecca), the preacher pictures the fate of the
                          believer in the judeonazarene faith taught by Moses in the real "religion of Abraham",
                          he is called to fulfill the will of God for Jesus to return and to receive the delights
                          of reward in paradise, as the elected in the kingdom of the Messiah.

                          | Baqara, or the Heifer
                          2127 And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the
                          House "Our Lord! Accept from us For
                          Thou art the All-Hearing,the All-knowing.
                          (IFTA translation)

                          |
                          (post-Hijra)
                          Allah teaches that Abraham and his son Ishmael built in their time the
                          sanctuary of Mecca, the Kaaba (on the foundations of the first Kaaba
                          built by Adam). This is why Muslims, who are the real and unique
                          successors of Abraham successors in the true religion, must pray
                          towards the Kaaba.

                          |
                          This verse is particularly poorly translated (at least it is translated in the sense required by its
                          interpretation in Islam). You must read its beginning "Then Abraham will reraise from the
                          foundations of the House ("bayt", home, temple) with the help of Ishmael." The preacher
                          evokes the project of rebuilding the temple of Jerusalem from its ruins. This will be the
                          result of collaboration between the sons of Abraham (the real Jews, the righteous Jews,
                          that is to say the judeonazarenes) and the sons of Ishmael (the Arabs)!

                          | Maryam, or Mary
                          1934. Such Jesus the son of Mary a statement of truth,
                          about which they dispute.
                          1935. It is not befitting to Allah that He should beget
                          a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it,
                          "Be", and it is.
                          1936. Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord Him therefore serve ye
                          this is a Way that is straight.
                          1937. But the sects differ among themselves and woe to the
                          unbelievers because of the Judgment of a
                          Momentous Day!
                          1938. How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear
                          before Us! but the unjust today are in error manifest!
                          1940. It is We Who will inherit the earth, and all beings thereon
                          to Us will they all be returned.
                          (IFTA translation)

                          |
                          (pre-AH)
                          In the context of the escape of some Muslims persecuted by the Meccans
                          to Christian Abyssinia, Allah gives dot the "i" about Christianity It confirms
                          Issa (Jesus) not as his son but as His prophet, the predecessor of Muhammad.
                          The people however did not follow the revelation of Issa, they were
                          disbelievers, misguided and unjust. They will be well punished on the Day of
                          Judgement and will be forced to recognize the superiority of Muslims,
                          the true believers.

                          Verse 40 states the vocation of Islam to dominate and displace any religion over all the earth, and the unbelievers to submit to Muslims.

                          |
                          Faced by criticism from his Christianized audience, the preacher says that Jesus is not the
                          son of God, but an envoy of God who came to ask that He be worshiped in the true
                          religion, in the right way. The transition from verse 36 to verse 37 is little
                          understandable. A passage seems to have disappeared (it should probably mention
                          explicitly that judeonazarenes were the true followers of Jesus). The preacher said later
                          that while several groups could more or less follow the teaching of Jesus, the rabbinical
                          Jews (kuffar) opposed it. This is why they will be punished on the "Judgement Day", when the Messiah will return.
                          Because those who then will inherit the Holy Land of Israel, will be the righteous, the elected in the kingdom of the Messiah, namely the judeonazarenes and their allies within the umma.

                          Mount of fig trees (Tell el-Tin) is a hill emerging from the artificial lake of Homs, Syria This region was the main home of judeonazarenes. The presence of the Mount of fig trees is attested for since very long time and had to make an impression by its lushness and its prolific nature.
                          That day, Allah will raise all the dead ("Day of Resurrection&quot, whether in hell or in heaven, and will gather them with the living. And it will be the "Day of regret" for the disbelievers which will then be confused by their own disbelief and will be called to eternal punishment, while the righteous, good believers will be rewarded

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                            The Mount of Fig Trees, in Syria, still here today https//goo.gl/maps/aVLqr

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                              Distinguishing between the good Jews and the bad Jews

                              The judeonazarenes had to explain to the Arabs what their faith consists of as opposed to that of the rabbinical Jews. At first glance, it is not clear both of them are Jews, claiming all to be of Abraham and his son Isaac, and all share the same Torah. It was necessary to explain who were the good, those who followed the true "religion of Abraham" and believed in the "Messiah Jesus", and who were the bad, those who had covered the meaning of the scriptures, the Book, by adding (and the primacy) of the Talmuds.

                              | Quranic Text

                              | Meaning in Islam

                              | Decrypted

                              | Ankabut, or the Spider
                              2946. And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better
                              , unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in
                              that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him
                              we bow ."
                              2947. And thus that We have sent down the Book to thee. So the People
                              of
                              the Book believe therein, as also do some of these and none but
                              Unbelievers reject our signs.
                              (IFTA translation)

                              | (pre-Hijra)
                              Allah asks Muhammad to teach to Muslims the fair conduct toward other people
                              of the Book, Jews and Christians they received in their time the same
                              revelation as that of Muslims. It is therefore appropriate to accommodate
                              those who received the Torah and the Gospel, and who, without
                              submitting to forgery, remained good believers (Who is where during
                              the preaching of Muhammad in Mecca? The commentators do not specify,
                              redirecting it to the Jews and Christians who subsequently converted to
                              Islam). They must be distinguished from those who persist in their
                              disbelief, and fight the new revelation of Allah.

                              | The preacher teaches his Arab audience to distinguish between good and bad believers among the People of the Book (that is to say, the Jews)

                              • Among the Jews who believe in the Torah we must distinguish between good, the judeonazarenes and the bad, the unjust, those who follow Rabbinic Judaism

                              • The worship of the same God and sharing the same Torah unites the judeonazarenes and Arabs converted into a community of religion, despite the difference of ethnicity.

                              • The rabbinic Judaism fights against the verses of the true "religion of Abraham" by covering them ("kafara&quot.

                              | Ankabut, or the Spider
                              2961. If indeed thou ask them (the disbelievers) who has created the heavens and the earth and
                              subjected the sun and the moon , they will certainly reply, "Allah".
                              How are they then deluded away ?
                              (IFTA translation)

                              | (pre-Hijra)
                              Allah warns Muhammad for the disbelievers and polytheists of Mecca who even if they were to acquiesce them to the Muslim faith they will end up diverting the divine commandments.

                              A critical mind might notice that these are very curious polytheists given that they profess their faith in the one God

                              | The preacher encourages his Arab audience (and Christian audience, affirming their faith in the single creator, God) to pay attention to the rabbinic Jews they seem to profess the same faith in the same God that judeonazarenes and converted Arabs believe in, but in reality, they do not follow the true "religion of Abraham".
                              (we observe almost the same preaching in s31,25 and s39,3

                              This theme of the condemnation of Rabbinic Judaism (referred to with the term "Yahud" or "People of the Book&quot is one of the major ones in the Quran. This simple observation is enough to attract our attention why should a new revelation of God supposedly given to ignorant polytheists insist on the Jews so much? What is this unspoken link in the Muslim discourse between the revelation of Allah and Judaism?

                              | Quranic Text

                              | Meaning in Islam

                              | Decrypted

                              | Al-i-Imran, or The Family of Imran
                              378. There is among them (People of the Book) a section who distort the Book with their tongues you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the
                              Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah It is they
                              who tell a lie against Allah, and they know it!
                              (IFTA translation)

                              | (post-Hijra)
                              Allah tells Muhammad to be wary of the perfidy of the People of the Book (context refers primarily to the Jews of Madinah) who seek to divert Muslims from the true faith by criticizing the Quran by cunning, by giving him false quotes that are nothing but lies.

                              | The Arab preacher warns his flock against the rabbinical Jews who produced writings other than the written Torah, namely the Talmuds (other translations render "roll their tongue" by "returning the tongue&quot. They are liars because they attribute to God what he did not mention in the Torah.

                              | Al-i-Imran, or The Family of Imran
                              3113. Not all of them are alike Of the People of the Book are a community
                              that stand They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long,
                              and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
                              (IFTA translation)

                              | (post-Hijra)
                              Allah affirms the superiority of Muslims, the "right community, over the Jews and Christians (the other "people of the Book&quot. Muslims are "good people" because they pray properly and apply the commandments of Allah.

                              | The Arab preacher recommends its Arab audience to differentiate among the Jews (the people of the "Book", the people of the Torah) between the good and the others. The good among them are those of judeonazarene clan. They shall apply the law of God contained in the Torah, believe in doomsday and the return of the messiah, and their monks and priests get up at night to their prayer. The other, bad "people of the Book" are the rabbinical Jews (the kuffar).

                              | Saff, or Battle Array
                              6114. O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah As said Jesus the son of Mary to
                              the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to Allah?" Said the
                              disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel
                              believed, and a portion disbelieved But We gave power to those who believed,
                              against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
                              (IFTA translation)

                              | (post-Hijra)
                              Some Jews had recognized in Jesus, in his day, a prophet of Allah, they had followed his commandments and joined the cause of Allah, while others had then rejected.
                              Unfortunately, in the time of Muhammad, almost all Jews had come to disbelieve, and all had falsified their writings.

                              | This verse presents with the entire Surah 61 significant manipulations of the text, well after the time of the earliest caliphs. They aimed to accredit the announcement of the coming of Muhammad by Jesus. Despite these, we can withhold from this verse that we can see the preacher distincting the Jews between those who deny, those who conceal (their sacred texts), that is to say the rabbinic Jews, and another group of Jews who want to be the true believers the judeonazarenes.

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                                The Mount of Fig Trees, in Syria, still here today https//goo.gl/maps/aVLqr

                                And Becca is here, nearby, just to the south of it.
                                https//goo.gl/MVaO7I

                                Behold, the first House established for mankind is the one at Bakkah it is full of blessing and a centre of guidance for the whole world
                                396

                                And within the valley, one can find a very very very ancient temple of Baalbek..
                                https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek

                                Aligned well with your "Syria - Lebanon originated Judeo Nazarene" group hypothesis..

                                PS I ain't no Syrian or Lebanese, and I'm not even trying to "redirect" the Islam religion's Hajj festival from Mecca to somewhere else. To me the belief of "holiest place on earth" thus all people should flock to it every year, otherwise it will anger the God is absolutely ridiculous.

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                                  Thank you for the links, Jafar. Concerning Baalbek, there is a link inside the Quran connecting to it. See http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=108&verse=1#(10811)

                                  "Indeed, We, have given you Al-Kauthar "

                                  This is Kothar-wa-Khasis, the Ugaritic/Canaanite god whose name means "Skillful-and-Wise" or "Adroit-and-Perceptive" or "Deft-and-Clever". Another of his names means "Deft-with-both-hands". Kothar is smith, craftsman, engineer, architect, and inventor. He is also soothsayer and magician, creating sacred words and spells, in part because there is an association in many cultures of metalworking deities with magic. The god-name Ka-sha-lu in texts from Ebla suggests that he was known in Syria as early as the late third millennium BC.

                                  Kothar aids Baal in his battles, as recounted in the Myth of Baal, by creating and naming two magic clubs (Yagrush and Ayamur) with which Baal defeats Yam. Kothar also creates beautiful furniture adorned with silver and gold as gifts for Athirat. And he builds Baal's palace of silver, gold, lapis lazuli, and fragrant cedar wood. One of his significant actions is as the opener of the window through which Baal's rains can come and go to fertilize the earth and provide for the continuance of life.

                                  Kothar was the prototype for the enigmatic figure of al-Khidr in Muslim legend. In my understanding when Quran is speaking about the one who is "enveloped in thy cloak" it is referring to this enigmatic figure.

                                  Other references to the Baal cycle can be found in many verses of the Quran. There are lots of similarities between Baal's palace and the legend of Solomon in Quran. Not to mention the similarity of the name El is quite similar to what we find in the Quran

                                  Above their all characteristics, the status of Kothar can't be denied to show this continuity. Kothar is an assistant or "a servant god" in Ugaritic mythology. He helps Baal and builds a palace for him, but he is actually a "servant of supreme god EL". Thus, he is accepted as one of the divine servants in Ugarit, because Keret, son of El, is also called a "servant of El". It's a very interesting point, because according to the Quran, Khidr is "a servant of Allah" ('abd min 'ibdin&#257. Besides, the names of Allah and El are very similar to each other. It is known that they come from a common root. By the similar or common elements, it can be seen easily as part of their continuity

                                  PS This is my personal opinion and should not be confused with the opinion of the author.

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                                    Thank you for the links, Jafar. Concerning Baalbek, there is a link inside the Quran connecting to it. See http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=108&verse=1#(10811)

                                    "Indeed, We, have given you Al-Kauthar "

                                    This is Kothar-wa-Khasis, the Ugaritic/Canaanite god whose name means "Skillful-and-Wise" or "Adroit-and-Perceptive" or "Deft-and-Clever". Another of his names means "Deft-with-both-hands". Kothar is smith, craftsman, engineer, architect, and inventor. He is also soothsayer and magician, creating sacred words and spells, in part because there is an association in many cultures of metalworking deities with magic. The god-name Ka-sha-lu in texts from Ebla suggests that he was known in Syria as early as the late third millennium BC.

                                    Kothar aids Baal in his battles, as recounted in the Myth of Baal, by creating and naming two magic clubs (Yagrush and Ayamur) with which Baal defeats Yam. Kothar also creates beautiful furniture adorned with silver and gold as gifts for Athirat. And he builds Baal's palace of silver, gold, lapis lazuli, and fragrant cedar wood. One of his significant actions is as the opener of the window through which Baal's rains can come and go to fertilize the earth and provide for the continuance of life.

                                    Kothar was the prototype for the enigmatic figure of al-Khidr in Muslim legend. In my understanding when Quran is speaking about the one who is "enveloped in thy cloak" it is referring to this enigmatic figure.

                                    PS This is my personal opinion and should not be confused with the opinion of the author.

                                    The "Becca Valley" was also mentioned in the Bible
                                    http//biblehub.com/psalms/84-6.htm

                                    Which denote it's importance during the times when Psalms was being written..

                                    The place known as "Baalbek" has a much older foundation than the structure built on top of it. (By the Romans).

                                    Another intriguing facts about such place is that
                                    WHY the (Pre Christian) Romans and also the Greeks bothered to set up a temple to their gods there?
                                    And why only there? (outside of Rome)

                                    The most probable hypothesis is
                                    The place (known as Baalbek) was already an "important religious place" to the surrounding people at that time.

                                    From archeological findings, the place shows signs of almost continual habitation over the last 9000 years.
                                    https//web.archive.org/web/20041112093441/http//www.dainst.org/index_2951_en.html

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                                      There is no doubt about Baalbeks status of sanctuary going back as far as history can recall. Though it raises interesting questions...

                                      Are these Ugaritic gods referred to as a means to an end to demonstrate the unity of God to a local phoenician/semitic culture? If this is the case, they must be very early (old) parts of the Quran, since they would predate the indoctrination of Arabs (which were in majority christian). These references to the Baal cycle are not addressing a christian or jewish community, but rather a phoenician culture.

                                      We know from archaeological evidence that eg Palestine never was entirely monotheistic in the time often referred to by the Torah (as the kingdom of Israel). They adhered largely to a polytheistic faith that involved a pantheon of semitic gods.

                                      Beelzebub
                                      Main article Beelzebub
                                      Baal Zebub (Hebrew , lit. "Fly Lord&quot occurs in the first chapter of the Second Book of Kings as the supposed name of the Philistine god of Ekron. In it, Ahaziah, king of Israel, is said to have consulted the priests of Baal Zebub as to whether he would survive the injuries from his recent fall. The prophet Elijah, incensed at this impiety, then foretold that he would die quickly, raining heavenly fire on the soldiers sent to punish him for doing so. Jewish scholars have interpreted the title of "Lord of the Flies" as the Hebrew way of calling Baal a pile of dung and his followers vermin, although others argue for a link to power over causing and curing pestilence and thus suitable for Ahaziah's question. The Septuagint renders the name as Ba?lzebo?b (&#946 and as "Baal of Flies" ( , Ba?l muian). Symmachus the Ebionite rendered it as Be?lzebo?l (&#955, possibly reflecting its original sense. This has been proposed to have been B?l Zbl, Ugaritic for "Lord of the Home" or "Lord of the Heavens".

                                      It seems this was a known concept in Ebionite/Judeonazarene circles as shown above... (and interestingly enough the name of Elijah -the hebrew Kothar/Khidr- pops up again - this will be material for another book I'm afraid)

                                      1. So also was Elias among those sent .
                                      2. Behold, he said to his people, "Will ye not fear ?
                                      3. "Will ye call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators,-
                                      4. "Allah, your Lord and Cherisher and the Lord and Cherisher of your fathers
                                        of old?"
                                      5. But they rejected him, and they will certainly be called up ,-
                                      6. Except the sincere and devoted Servants of Allah .
                                      7. And We left for him among generations in later
                                        times
                                      8. "Peace and salutation to such as Elias!"

                                      It seems the judeonazarene understanding of Be?lzebo?l fits the Quranic version as a glove.

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                                        Responding to Christian or Jewish objections

                                        They hard to work hard to convince the Christianized Arab audience, and even more so given the sermons of judeonazarenes and Arab preachers were not unknown to rabbinic Jews living near them in Arabia Petraea of the 5th century (modern Syria). How to respond to the objections of they are making?

                                        | Quranic Text
                                        | Meaning in Islam
                                        | Decrypted

                                        | Furqan, or The Criterion
                                        244. But the misbelievers (kufar) say "Naught is this but a lie which he has forged, and
                                        others have helped him at it." In truth it is they who have put forward an
                                        iniquity and a falsehood.
                                        245. And they say "Tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written and
                                        they are dictated before him morning and evening."
                                        (IFTA translation)

                                        |
                                        (pre-Hijra)
                                        While in Mecca, Mohammed was facing criticism from polytheistic
                                        Arabs who mock his preaching unfairly. They lie about it, they slander it
                                        claiming he would not have received revelation from Allah through
                                        the angel Gabriel, but that he would be a fraud.

                                        |
                                        The Arab preacher defends against criticism of rabbinic Jews (kuffar). They accuse
                                        him (with reason) of referring to the ancient Jewish texts which are being taught to him by
                                        judeonazarenes, to be merely repeaters

                                        | Nahl, or The Bee
                                        16103. We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of
                                        him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and
                                        clear.
                                        (IFTA translation)

                                        |
                                        (pre-Hijra)
                                        Allah strengthens Muhammad in face of criticism accusing him of doing
                                        nothing but spreading the teachings of a foreigner, while it is the angel
                                        Gabriel himself who speaks to him. He reminds him that the revelation
                                        is proclaimed in Arabic and prefigures the dogma of the inimitability
                                        of the Qur'an. In any case, it is unthinkable that some human
                                        is teaching Muhammad.

                                        |
                                        The literal translation of Hamidullah says "Yes someone teaches". There is therefore
                                        no question here of implicit reference to the angel Gabriel, which added later by commentators
                                        to obscure the inspirer of the verse, speaking the Jewish language, teaching the Arab preacher(s).
                                        It urges them to respond to criticism it does not teach a foreign religion but an Arab religion for
                                        Arabs, understandable and within reach, as it is being preached in their language.

                                        | Maida, or the Table Spread
                                        582. Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and
                                        Pagans ; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who
                                        say, "We are Christians " Because amongst these are men devoted to learning and
                                        men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
                                        (IFTA translation)

                                        |
                                        (post-Hijra)
                                        Allah warns Muhammad against Jews and polytheists they are the
                                        enemies of the Muslims! But Christians, more likely to follow the
                                        truth, especially the humble monks and priests, however, do not want to cause as much harm to Muslims as the first. Allah, however, forbids
                                        to make allies with them (see s5,51) because they are unbelievers (cf. 5.72).

                                        |
                                        The Arab preacher warns his flock to beware of Jews and Christians (associators), that are sure to
                                        criticize the heresy which judeonazarism means to them. This has been true since the start of the priests
                                        (who celebrate Mass without wine) and the devoted. They are, among the judeonazarenes (Nasara), the best examples for the rallied Arabs.

                                        Another translation of this verse proposed by Alfred-Louis de Pr?mare in The foundations of Islam "Those who disbelieve said," This is nothing but deception he has forged with the help of other groups! "While it is they who have produced injustice and forgery, saying" These are ancient writings that he copied because they are dictated to him in the morning and in the evening. "

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                                          I wonder what's the objective of Edip Yuksel to market this bunch of conspiracy theories. I have finished reading this book in french but I found nothing convincing but theories about how even the Quran is invented let alone hadeeth to support that claim. Edip, do u believe that the Quran was notes from Judeo Nazarreens?

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