No God Exists: Why Should I Be Good to humans?
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Sorry, reel, it is not what you have asked, but I am going to answer
There cannot be such a world. People who are atheists, who do not bleieve in an after life, can be very, very, moral, why? Because God made us that way and because even without those "beliefs" people are decent and acknowledge that there are criteria, values who transcend them. I know people like that. They may not know that they believe in God because they are nto interested in that concept, but they do believe in justice, in kindness, etc. You cannot ban goodness from humanity just as you cannot ban evil from humanity.
Decent people love their mothers even when their mothers are no more useful but a charge, they do. And even when they don't they do not feel that they can treat her like garbage no matter what they do believe in or think they believe in. In fact I have seen such unbelievers cry real tears when remembering their very beloved grandmother.
So that world you attempt to explore I think does not exist nor will exist, although with proper induction we may get something very close.
I congratulate you on the question, however, because it is very interesting and worthwhile studying.
Salaam
Of course, there cannot be such world. But here is the problem, the people without belief are being moral because of the conditioning which comes directly from religions. Unfortunately, cultures are not set in stone. They evolve for which once we ban religions and leave God behind, we will have a new culture. But for this to happen, we need an atheist world. An atheist country still must behave to gain economic benefits from other countries which have religions.
Buddhism doesn't mentioned God or any Deity..
Yet they believed in the law of "karma", what goes around comes around, which govern the entire universe.
And the importance of be "at peace" especially "at peace within yourselves".Thus the above shows that Karma and after life (in Buddhist case, Reincarnation) doesn't need any believe in any God or Deity. There are no correlation between the two..
You are still telling me to live in fear that if I do something wrong I will take birth as something horrible. But I am western with "superior" rational teachings. My science does not recognize reincarnation because no actual evidence exists about it. Yes, vigorous research was done worldwide, but the researcher said his findings may not have solid ground because he relied upon the info of interpreters who probably interpreted certain answers of the interview incorrectly. The only time I can recognize karma is when I am say dealing with a teacher. If I misbehave with this person I can be expelled. Others especially those who are "poor" and live in other countries don't have such power over me.
Taoism and Confucianism doesn't event mentioned God or any Deity or there's any afterlife being taught.
Yet they believed in the "way of the heaven".. which encompass the character of humility, compassionate, loving, forgiving in summary the goal is to 'feel good' you need to do 'good deed'. In their subtle way, the law of "what goes around comes around" is also being taught...You are teaching me about a remixed version of Islamic God? Both are simply replacing the term "God" with "Great Ultimate" or "Force". In Confucianism, it is believed that heaven guides us. Now I cannot see it with my own eyes.
There is no god in Confucianism, but rather a force called the Tao, also known as the Great Ultimate. Confucius believed that the Tao was the impetus for creation and that this force flows through all life, enabling change and betterment. Though Confucianism does not have a being-based god, Confucius spoke of the notion of heaven as another positive force. Unlike the concept of heaven found in theistic religions, Confucius believed heaven was a guiding force of the universe and judge of right and wrong..http//people.opposingviews.com/god-confucianism-4082.htmlBy the words of Tu Weiming and other Confucian scholars, who recover the work of Kang Youwei, Confucianism revolves around the pursuit of the unity of the self and Tian (Heaven, or the God of the Universe in European terminology, although in a nontheistic sense), and the relationship of humankind to the Heaven. The principle of Heaven (Tian li or Tao), is the order of the creation and divine authority, monistic in its structure. Individuals can realise their humanity and become one with Heaven through the contemplation of this order. This transformation of the self can be extended to the family and society to create a harmonious fiduciary community.
How can I scientifically know that I won't have unity with myself without being nice to those who give me nothing? According to biology, I already have unity. My body parts are still together.
If you just want to see "a peaceful world without belief in God" then it's plain to see..
As it's exist in this world on this globe..Only a few countries can be considered atheist. I am talking about an entire atheist world.
If you also want to see "a hateful world WITH a belief in God" then it's also plain to see..
As it's also exist in this world on this globe..As told by Dawkins, all religions are violent.
The question then can be reformulated to
Why you NEED TO BELIEVE IN GOD in order to DO GOOD DEEDS?As soon as I welcome God in my life, all those "unscientific" things like afterlife and karma end up controlling my life. Also this whole God thing tells me that I am on this planet for a certain amount of time to give a test. It tells me to look within myself and analyze why I feel sad for the poor and how I can use my brain to help them smile. Now do you see how it manipulates me to waste time on things that won't provide value in my life? See, we all have to die one day. So what if some die a little quicker? That saves the resources that we the people with "superior intelligence" deserve.
1- What if there is no God.
I like to think there is no God
2- What if you are an atheist. .
Then I don't see a point in holding onto things found in "sacred" books. What's the point of being "morally" responsible? Sure I might feel bad for certain groups of people, but it isn't going to be permanent. We feel bad because we have emotions. But hey, we do know through relationship breakups that those emotions are normal. All we need to do is just stay away from the sad thoughts.
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I do not think that world you speak about has ever existed or will exist, just as there has never been a perfect world nor will there be. People guided by values beyond themselves will always exist, whatever they call themselves ideologically or religiouswise, or emotionally wise.
Salaam
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Peace,
if you need to believe in a fictional entity to act in a reciprocal manner to those around you, and without that belief in such an entity you feel no duty of care in reciprocal action, what sort of entity are you to begin with, clearly one without empathy, compassion or reason, the very foundation of community is reciprocal obligations, no need to have any laws, or hierarchy simply the understanding and application of innate reciprocal duties towards others is the foundation of unity, yet to ask the question why should i be good to humans, demonstrates a deep lack of understand the inherent reciprocal nature of unity.
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if you need to believe in a fictional entity to act in a reciprocal manner to those around you,
The fictional deity is associated with all the fictional things that tell me that I don't own this world.
without that belief in such an entity you feel no duty of care in reciprocal action, what sort of entity are you to begin with, clearly one without empathy, compassion or reason, the very foundation of community is reciprocal obligations
I am sweet to my community which happens to be US. But we are very much aware of the problem associated with being good to those who are of no use. For instance, in our Oregon, government understands how expensive healthcare is. The aim, therefore, is to save it only those who can be "productive". People who have cancer and will live probably 5 years are offered lethal drugs so they can end their lives. This is rational!
I am no celebrity that my "charity" will offer me limelight.
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Peace reel,
I have nothing against atheists or agnostics. They are some of the most rational people around!
You can wait for "science" to catch up until it discovers a way to detect unseen things like strings or dark matter or dark energy or an infinite creator or spirit etc. whether they actually exist, just like it has advanced so far to detect unseen things like various forces, waves etc.
OR
You can wait until death to see if there is anything beyond.
Until then live your life according to whatever you feel is best for yourself in your surrounding environment. In essence, this is the purest Service To Self path (STS) and nothing wrong with it!
In the grand scheme of things it won't matter either way. If there is life after death or reincarnation or existence of the infinite creator or not, you will eventually find out either after death, or if and when "science" catches up, or not
I share the view that a separate external "God" is a fictional deity!
Peace
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Peace reel,
I have nothing against atheists or agnostics. They are some of the most rational people around!
You can wait for "science" to catch up until it discovers a way to detect unseen things like strings or dark matter or dark energy or an infinite creator or spirit etc. whether they actually exist, just like it has advanced so far to detect unseen things like various forces, waves etc.
OR
You can wait until death to see if there is anything beyond.
Until then live your life according to whatever you feel is best for yourself in your surrounding environment. In essence, this is the purest Service To Self path (STS) and nothing wrong with it!
In the grand scheme of things it won't matter either way. If there is life after death or reincarnation or existence of the infinite creator or not, you will eventually find out either after death, or if and when "science" catches up, or not )
I share the view that a separate external "God" is a fictional deity!
Peace
It is not about whether atheists are good. The case is based on a world without religions. Just take it as a sign that search for God has ended.
Its pretty much based on this discussion
http//www.ted.com/conversations/59/a_world_without_religion_how.htmlAnd... animal also do good deeds... it's driven by the feeling of 'empathy' which exist in (at least) all mammals..
Indeed, mother bears, felines, canids, primates, and many species of rodents?from rats to prairie dogs?have all been seen killing and eating their young. Insects, fish, amphibians, reptiles, and birds also have been implicated in killing, and sometimes devouring, the young of their own kind.http//news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140328-sloth-bear-zoo-infanticide-chimps-bonobos-animals/
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Hello,
Animals do not have empathy since they have no individual Spirit but they are only the animals they are. It is not possible to ascribe an advanced cognitive feature to a being that has no Higher Consciousness. Animals only show empathy-like traits because it is in their instinctive programming for the sake of the survival of their pack etc. They will not feel remorse for killing their prey and if they accidentally kill a whole herd of sheep for example.
The same is true for the human species Homo Sapiens, it will only care about its own pack and identity and easily ignores all circumstantial harm. The saving link here is the advanced consciousness it possesses which may if used open up to show empathy also towards things outside of the Beast's "area of interest" (or instinctive protection and nurture).
It does think "survival of the fittest" by instinct.
It enjoys hunting and enjoys violence.
It struggles to dominate others which can be revealed in that it likes to compete in team-like sports.
It does become lenient to the most socially and fiscally powerful ones and begins to imitate them.
It is prestigious meaning it will struggle to look good socially or fiscally.
It is jealous and will work hard to have what others have and to exceed their possessions if it can.
It does easily lie not to look bad socially or to gain wealth. Beautifying the truth into what it is not is also lying.
It does perceive the World with a materialist perception and generally tends to have gods that are visualized one way or another which is the fallacy of involving instinct in the Higher Consciousness processes.
It is greedy so it will in many cases place itself in the center.
It will struggle hard to be mating and does commit adultery if the desire becomes too strong and gives in to the Body.
It may react strongly to others who do not follow their instincts.
It may bully those outside the group with different group identity or lone wolves (clearly showing the lack of empathy sentiment).
If it does consider a party inferior or jealous towards them (unfairness) it may justify stealing from them. (Often happens in war)
And so on. It is good to sometimes make yourself aware that you are inside a thing that is apart from your Spirit and makes you a slave to the World because it does conform to it. It is that working and toiling mindlessly that is a huge trap. To work for things you do not really need just to be proud, pleased and be able to shine before others. Ignore that and just buy what you need and dress in simple clothes and ignore what people say about you and grow in confidence that you have something to reply in return to them. Feel your Spiritual path is only good for that it is.
A differentiation from these instincts can be explained by a connection to their Higher Consciousness i.e. their Spirit. The more "lifeless" and indulgent in the stereotypical community the more they give in to the primate. Trends, fashions, status is just a sign of how people are conforming to being their animal Body they are attached to.
Be safe
Emanuel -
Hello,
Animals do not have empathy since they have no individual Spirit but they are only the animals they are. It is not possible to ascribe an advanced cognitive feature to a being that has no Higher Consciousness. Animals only show empathy-like traits because it is in their instinctive programming for the sake of the survival of their pack etc. They will not feel remorse for killing their prey and if they accidentally kill a whole herd of sheep for example.
The same is true for the human species Homo Sapiens, it will only care about its own pack and identity and easily ignores all circumstantial harm. The saving link here is the advanced consciousness it possesses which may if used open up to show empathy also towards things outside of the Beast's "area of interest" (or instinctive protection and nurture).
It does think "survival of the fittest" by instinct.
It enjoys hunting and enjoys violence.
It struggles to dominate others which can be revealed in that it likes to compete in team-like sports.
It does become lenient to the most socially and fiscally powerful ones and begins to imitate them.
It is prestigious meaning it will struggle to look good socially or fiscally.
It is jealous and will work hard to have what others have and to exceed their possessions if it can.
It does easily lie not to look bad socially or to gain wealth. Beautifying the truth into what it is not is also lying.
It does perceive the World with a materialist perception and generally tends to have gods that are visualized one way or another which is the fallacy of involving instinct in the Higher Consciousness processes.
It is greedy so it will in many cases place itself in the center.
It will struggle hard to be mating and does commit adultery if the desire becomes too strong and gives in to the Body.
It may react strongly to others who do not follow their instincts.
It may bully those outside the group with different group identity or lone wolves (clearly showing the lack of empathy sentiment).
If it does consider a party inferior or jealous towards them (unfairness) it may justify stealing from them. (Often happens in war)
And so on. It is good to sometimes make yourself aware that you are inside a thing that is apart from your Spirit and makes you a slave to the World because it does conform to it. It is that working and toiling mindlessly that is a huge trap. To work for things you do not really need just to be proud, pleased and be able to shine before others. Ignore that and just buy what you need and dress in simple clothes and ignore what people say about you and grow in confidence that you have something to reply in return to them. Feel your Spiritual path is only good for that it is.
A differentiation from these instincts can be explained by a connection to their Higher Consciousness i.e. their Spirit. The more "lifeless" and indulgent in the stereotypical community the more they give in to the primate. Trends, fashions, status is just a sign of how people are conforming to being their animal Body they are attached to.
Be safe
EmanuelVery good and accurate description of the humanoid creature. Indeed, without the Ruuh/Spirit, this creature/bashar walking on two legs is no different than an instinct driven beast. It is the God given sense of morality that makes this creature/Bashar, into "The human being" - Al Insaan.
But to address the topic, alright, you'll find that the number of people driven by instinct (this can be good or bad) will increase, but more of the "bad" type. This is because now even for those who would have otherwise been God conscious, would suddenly find themselves indulging in highly selfish behavior, many of which can often be destructive in the long run.
To others why should you give charity to an unknown person? Why should you care to give if someone's dying from thirst on the street and you have a full bottle of water for example? No reason, you're not getting anything in return for helping X, Y, Z.
Being useful or useless are highly relative terms.
To a national army, you and the majority of people are useless, and therefore should be annihilated because we're not helping the army in anyway (unless you join it in some way) and are a burden, for example, - that is rational. Would you now happily accept being eliminated in the name of rationality? This is actually going on in the grand scheme of things the world over, even if it's not bluntly obvious, if you want to see. And it is being done by those uh, "intelligent and rational" people.
A relative dying from cancer in 5 years, is useless to the society because he/she is not going to be productive. What about his/her family? To them those 5 years of company and moments are worth it - making this time "useful".
A no God scenario creates a materialistic, selfish world. Even those athiests you cite who are supposedly being very "moral", are driven by selfishness (i.e. they have instincts that fall into actions/behavior we understand as "good", they derive pleasure from helping people, giving their love and care to people and/or animals and in return they enjoy all these chemical reactions that makes them feel good, like a drug).
There is a universe of difference between morality, enjoyment, struggle, pain for God, and the same things driven by selfish instinct. In the former, you will also find doing things that are against your instinct, but may classify as "good". And you will also find yourself avoiding some things that otherwise resonate with your instincts, even though they may classify as "bad".
With the latter, you only follow your instincts, and the instinct is only focussed on the self with no regards for anything else.
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Its pretty much based on this discussion
http//www.ted.com/conversations/59/a_world_without_religion_how.html
Indeed, mother bears, felines, canids, primates, and many species of rodents?from rats to prairie dogs?have all been seen killing and eating their young. Insects, fish, amphibians, reptiles, and birds also have been implicated in killing, and sometimes devouring, the young of their own kind.http//news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140328-sloth-bear-zoo-infanticide-chimps-bonobos-animals/Animal killing their young.. hmmm the name Abraham suddenly appeared in my mind
And herewith another evidence
Rats save mates from drowning.
http//www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150514-rats-save-mates-from-drowning
Rats to the Rescue in Cage Experiment
http//www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/science/observatory-rats-have-empathy-study-finds.htmlAnd orangutan have an empathy across species..
Orangutan Saves Baby Chick from Drowning!
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTUIfHyHQRs
Scientists have found that orangutans have a sense of empathy and mimicry which forms an essential part of laughter.
http//www.onekind.org/be_inspired/animal_sentience/empathy/empathy_in_orangutans/Feel free to search for "Empathy in Animals" and it shall resulted in hundreds of scientific study regarding such issue.
And I don't think I need to show any evidence about "Cruelty shown by an animal named human"... or should I?
Here's another TED Talk about "Empathy Hormone", all mammals has it.. well apparently not all, some human doesn't have it.. obviously..
https//www.ted.com/talks/paul_zak_trust_morality_and_oxytocin -
Very good and accurate description of the humanoid creature. Indeed, without the Ruuh/Spirit, this creature/bashar walking on two legs is no different than an instinct driven beast. It is the God given sense of morality that makes this creature/Bashar, into "The human being" - Al Insaan.
But to address the topic, alright, you'll find that the number of people driven by instinct (this can be good or bad) will increase, but more of the "bad" type. This is because now even for those who would have otherwise been God conscious, would suddenly find themselves indulging in highly selfish behavior, many of which can often be destructive in the long run.
To others why should you give charity to an unknown person? Why should you care to give if someone's dying from thirst on the street and you have a full bottle of water for example? No reason, you're not getting anything in return for helping X, Y, Z.
Being useful or useless are highly relative terms.
To a national army, you and the majority of people are useless, and therefore should be annihilated because we're not helping the army in anyway (unless you join it in some way) and are a burden, for example, - that is rational. Would you now happily accept being eliminated in the name of rationality? This is actually going on in the grand scheme of things the world over, even if it's not bluntly obvious, if you want to see. And it is being done by those uh, "intelligent and rational" people.
A relative dying from cancer in 5 years, is useless to the society because he/she is not going to be productive. What about his/her family? To them those 5 years of company and moments are worth it - making this time "useful".
A no God scenario creates a materialistic, selfish world. Even those athiests you cite who are supposedly being very "moral", are driven by selfishness (i.e. they have instincts that fall into actions/behavior we understand as "good", they derive pleasure from helping people, giving their love and care to people and/or animals and in return they enjoy all these chemical reactions that makes them feel good, like a drug).
There is a universe of difference between morality, enjoyment, struggle, pain for God, and the same things driven by selfish instinct. In the former, you will also find doing things that are against your instinct, but may classify as "good". And you will also find yourself avoiding some things that otherwise resonate with your instincts, even though they may classify as "bad".
With the latter, you only follow your instincts, and the instinct is only focussed on the self with no regards for anything else.
Hello,
Animals do not have empathy since they have no individual Spirit but they are only the animals they are. It is not possible to ascribe an advanced cognitive feature to a being that has no Higher Consciousness. Animals only show empathy-like traits because it is in their instinctive programming for the sake of the survival of their pack etc. They will not feel remorse for killing their prey and if they accidentally kill a whole herd of sheep for example.
The same is true for the human species Homo Sapiens, it will only care about its own pack and identity and easily ignores all circumstantial harm. The saving link here is the advanced consciousness it possesses which may if used open up to show empathy also towards things outside of the Beast's "area of interest" (or instinctive protection and nurture).
It does think "survival of the fittest" by instinct.
It enjoys hunting and enjoys violence.
It struggles to dominate others which can be revealed in that it likes to compete in team-like sports.
It does become lenient to the most socially and fiscally powerful ones and begins to imitate them.
It is prestigious meaning it will struggle to look good socially or fiscally.
It is jealous and will work hard to have what others have and to exceed their possessions if it can.
It does easily lie not to look bad socially or to gain wealth. Beautifying the truth into what it is not is also lying.
It does perceive the World with a materialist perception and generally tends to have gods that are visualized one way or another which is the fallacy of involving instinct in the Higher Consciousness processes.
It is greedy so it will in many cases place itself in the center.
It will struggle hard to be mating and does commit adultery if the desire becomes too strong and gives in to the Body.
It may react strongly to others who do not follow their instincts.
It may bully those outside the group with different group identity or lone wolves (clearly showing the lack of empathy sentiment).
If it does consider a party inferior or jealous towards them (unfairness) it may justify stealing from them. (Often happens in war)
And so on. It is good to sometimes make yourself aware that you are inside a thing that is apart from your Spirit and makes you a slave to the World because it does conform to it. It is that working and toiling mindlessly that is a huge trap. To work for things you do not really need just to be proud, pleased and be able to shine before others. Ignore that and just buy what you need and dress in simple clothes and ignore what people say about you and grow in confidence that you have something to reply in return to them. Feel your Spiritual path is only good for that it is.
A differentiation from these instincts can be explained by a connection to their Higher Consciousness i.e. their Spirit. The more "lifeless" and indulgent in the stereotypical community the more they give in to the primate. Trends, fashions, status is just a sign of how people are conforming to being their animal Body they are attached to.
Be safe
Emanuelhttp//i.imgur.com/wW1dH66.gif
Its amazing how people who think atheism is the answer to all the problems of the world can't see what you two have up there. What happened to us humans? Have we been always taking our decisions based on what we can see only on tv and in our present day? Have we been always this hypocrite? We think religions are violent, but never question secularism when it kills millions in fake wars. Both can coexist without killing anyone provided people stop seeing "God" in priests and politicians. As for an atheist world, I think this is its best description
14. When we come into our kingdom it will be undesirable for us that there should exist any other religion than ours of the One God with whom our destiny is bound up by our position as the Chosen People and through whom our same destiny is united with the destinies of the world. We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief. If this gives birth to the atheists whom we see to-day, it will not, being only a transitional stage, interfere with our views, but will serve as a warning for those generations which will hearken to our preaching of the religion of Moses, that, by its stable and thoroughly elaborated system, has brought all the peoples of the world into subjection to us.
-From my very favorite The Protocols of the Elders of ZionAnimal killing their young.. hmmm the name Abraham suddenly appeared in my mind
He went to kill his son because he had birth defect? hmm
- Our philosophers will discuss all the shortcomings of the various beliefs of the "GOYIM," BUT NO ONE WILL EVER BRING UNDER DISCUSSION OUR FAITH FROM ITS TRUE POINT OF VIEW SINCE THIS WILL BE FULLY LEARNED BY NONE SAVE OURS WHO WILL NEVER DARE TO BETRAY ITS SECRETS.-The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
And I don't think I need to show any evidence about "Cruelty shown by an animal named human"... or should I?
That's the exact thing we are worried about in this thread!
And herewith another evidence
Rats save mates from drowning.
http//www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150514-rats-save-mates-from-drowning
Rats to the Rescue in Cage Experiment
http//www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/science/observatory-rats-have-empathy-study-finds.htmlAnd orangutan have an empathy across species..
Orangutan Saves Baby Chick from Drowning!
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTUIfHyHQRs
Scientists have found that orangutans have a sense of empathy and mimicry which forms an essential part of laughter.
http//www.onekind.org/be_inspired/animal_sentience/empathy/empathy_in_orangutans/Feel free to search for "Empathy in Animals" and it shall resulted in hundreds of scientific study regarding such issue.
It doesn't change the fact that they eat the ones deemed inferior or competitor (even the sons). Animals usually have short lived empathy, but mainly for the healthy friends in their community. The animal called human is far smarter than those though. His brain can do damage to humans, animals, trees and the entire world!
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Reel,
Its amazing how people who think atheism is the answer to all the problems of the world can't see what you two have up there. What happened to us humans? Have we been always taking our decisions based on what we can see only on tv and in our present day? Have we been always this hypocrite? We think religions are violent, but never question secularism when it kills millions in fake wars. Both can coexist without killing anyone provided people stop seeing "God" in priests and politicians. As for an atheist world, I think this is its best description
14. When we come into our kingdom it will be undesirable for us that there should exist any other religion than ours of the One God with whom our destiny is bound up by our position as the Chosen People and through whom our same destiny is united with the destinies of the world. We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief. If this gives birth to the atheists whom we see to-day, it will not, being only a transitional stage, interfere with our views, but will serve as a warning for those generations which will hearken to our preaching of the religion of Moses, that, by its stable and thoroughly elaborated system, has brought all the peoples of the world into subjection to us.
-From my very favorite The Protocols of the Elders of ZionThose atheists do not consider that the innately good projection in humans is due to their Spiritual divine self, i.e. the Spirit copy of God. Suppressing the Body and instinct (satan) leads to further goodness when the Spirit can shine right through. The error is in the perception of what is God. The sects have not really helped that perception either. The visualization "stumbling block" was mentioned in the Mosaic Decree on the second line, but the ancient sectarian clerics twisted its implication, plus the first commandment to which said to "cling unto "who are as such" (elohim) as Rabb in unity". It originally taught symbiotic union and assimilation and no separation of the god phenomenon.
What we call God in English the Semitic call Sustainer or Foundation-Giver much like a Platform. It could be explained as nature and the environment itself for it is part of the Grand Consciousness and it likewise provides. You can probably draw a parallel to that in Syriac Aramaic you say "Rabbi" about (spiritual) teacher for this person provides Knowledge being like the Rabb, i.e. Rabb + i. There are people around here who challenge the notion that Rabb would mean Sustainer but it is quite given by itself.
There has been much distortion with this Arabic language that people claim to know.
The criminal is not the religion but the Body of humans. However, religion does lead to immense delusion but that is because of the instinctive nature of humans when matched with esoteric knowledge which may be a dangerous combination. The primitive human mind cannot comprehend what is God completely and then they make God into what God is not. Particularly they believe God is some kind of Master that takes pride in boasting its superior rank much like a human animal would in the same situation and all the religious people defend God and say everyone who associate themselves with God is a heretic and blasphemes. This is because they cannot properly comprehend what is God in the first place. But people can obviously not become better than their "hardware" (Rabb) but they can assimilate themselves to such extent they are equally powerful but utilizing the full capacity of the hardware. Then they need to separate their Spirit away from that fallible Flesh to excel.
- PARABLE * PARABLE * PARABLE BELOW * (do not read literally)
And software cannot become hardware, it says itself, if we are going to speak about parables, but the software can be developed sufficiently that it maximizes its utilization of the hardware. The Rabb will scratch all poorly developed software. Some people seem to develop viruses as some kind of co-habit with their software so it hurts the user because the software also has a "neuro-uplink" with the Spirit.
Be safe
Amenuel -
When i assume there is no God, and objectively ask myself why should i be good ?! I cannot help but direct my attention towards the innate "software" we call morality. Viz. The real question, to me, is why good vs. bad? Why virtue vs. vice? Why an innate "right vs. wrong" ?! Why does everyone have it ?! .... evolution my a**.
"So one elephant having a trunk was odd;
but all elephants having trunks looked like a plot." G. K. Chesterton.Slm
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He went to kill his son because he had birth defect? hmm
Much worse, he went to kill his son because he think his God told him so...
It doesn't change the fact that they eat the ones deemed inferior or competitor (even the sons). Animals usually have short lived empathy, but mainly for the healthy friends in their community. The animal called human is far smarter than those though. His brain can do damage to humans, animals, trees and the entire world!
It doesn't change the fact that they oppress or enslave those who are deemed as inferior or kill the competitor (even the sons or father or mother). Human usually have short lived empathy, but mainly for those who are considered as their friends in their OWN community with the same 'interest'. Once their interest become conflicting, they're in no hesitation to kill each others.
So how's that any difference with animal named Human?
Some animals are bad and some others are good.. (including human).. -
When i assume there is no God, and objectively ask myself why should i be good ?! I cannot help but direct my attention towards the innate "software" we call morality. Viz. The real question, to me, is why good vs. bad? Why virtue vs. vice? Why an innate "right vs. wrong" ?! Why does everyone have it ?! ....
"Those who are kind benefit themselves, but the cruel bring ruin on themselves."
Proverbs 1117"Whoever does righteousness - it is for his soul; and whoever does evil does so against it."
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Peace reel,
I think everyone is missing the point. CMIIW but you asked for objective scientific proof and not just subjective views or beliefs. What is the scientific proof that an "inner software or morality of right vs wrong" exists? Why can't it just be conditioning after birth by parents, peers, teachers etc. rather than a "built in software"? The proponents of service to self (materialism, selfishness, hierarchical structure of society) can easily scientifically argue that their path is superior to the path of service to others (good deeds). In the end, without an objective "scientific" proof, it is just a subjective argument.
Only once you see/experience the reality of existence yourself with your own "eyes" "scientifically", can you realize that the service to others path is superior to service to self path.
The only objective way I can suggest for you to verify this, other than death, is by learning and practicing astral projection or OOB experience. This way you can consciously experience/see while still being alive what you will experience/see after death. You will see the reality of all existence beyond this temporary illusion and only then you will realize why service to others path is superior, once you know the true nature of all existence. Why don't you try it? You have nothing to lose )
Evidence of astral projection from al-quran for the believers?
3942 Allah seizes the souls at the time of their death; and for those that have not died, during their sleep. He then keeps those that have been overtaken by death, and he sends the others back until a predetermined time. In that are signs for a people who will think.
Everyone astral projects every single night when they sleep! Anyone can also learn how to do it while fully conscious and not sleeping. This is "scientific", replicable and verifiable by anyone. So whatcha gonna do? Swallow the red pill or the blue pill? )
Peace
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Please pardon me, truthseeker, but it is not subjective or opinionated views in my case. The Spirit has a connection to such a source that if just people would go against their instincts they would become superior. It is also empirical and you can observe it in societies that have moved away from the more primitive ways where a usually small group of people have affected the rest of the pack, mostly philosophers, prophets and such people (who reached their Spirit through contemplation). Still today people speak of "Christian values", they are there even if people only half-implement them (or worse), and the Beast in their Soul prevents them from full implementation.
We should be aware that belief in hierarchical god(s) also is an activation of the instinctive drive where humans make leaders in hierarchy always. But what if that god is a symbiotic phenomenon and you "are such as it"? God's Lore teaches that everyone should be equal even the Source itself that can easily accept to be on par with His/Her/Its Children. The hierarchical tendency is a human instinctive fallacy. This is why we worship gods, and that is why the old Ten Stumbling Blocks mentions the two first lines. 1. Be "such as is" Rabb in unity 2. Do not take any image from Heaven (fantasy) or Earth (object incl animate being) and worship it (separation/materialism/hierarchy).
Be safe
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Whether God exists or not, people will continue to be good and bad at the same time depending on their prevailing conditions which are dependent on the world they live in which is physical and materialistic and believe in give and take.
The study for me, what would happen if there are no women left in this world or become extinct race, that would be a some thing. I believe everything revolves around them in this world, money too, good or bad. They are the true essence of this universe in so many different relations to man.
Cheers
I would like to see a world without God. Don't be surprised. Its just a case study of whether we can control the animals we have within us without religions/deen.
Okay, for a second let's say God doesn't exist. Belief has gone down the drain and all religions are banned. There is nothing called afterlife. There is no reason to believe in anything called karma because just like God it cant be measured in some lab. We can do whatever we like as long as no law is broken! You know in that case, government can punish us. Keeping this in mind and the idea that I am an atheist (just pretending), tell me why should I be good to certain people who provide nothing useful to me?
the specif group of people not useful to me in economic sense
not my teacher or employer
don't provide me any products
can't sell my own products to them
they don't live in my countryLets start from here. Give me rational reasons and moral values for which I should be good to them. Please, do debunk anything you deem illogical here. I am trying to see if a peaceful world without belief in God is possible.
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... and your point is ?! )
What goes around comes around...
You do good, your soul will be relatively more pure, more peaceful, more loving
How do you know your deed is good? Your soul knows it very well..You do evil, your soul will be relatively more darker, more restless, more hateful
How do you know your deed is evil? Your soul knows it very well..That's why the "Soul" is termed as God's breath (Nafs/Nefes, Metaphorically)
Whether God exists or not, people will continue to be good and bad at the same time depending on their prevailing conditions which are dependent on the world they live in which is physical and materialistic and believe in give and take.
Interesting thought..
