SALAT NOT PHYSICAL???
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Everything about that is an ancient hoax. Quran does not teach any kind of ritual whatsoever.
The connection to God should be constant and not sporadic.
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AmenuelCan you please explain why it isn't physical?
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Hello,
Because it is Pagan.
And because Quran speaks of something entirely different when it speaks of aqum al-salateh. Some clerics just played around with it.
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Amenuel -
Hello,
Because it is Pagan.
And because Quran speaks of something entirely different when it speaks of aqum al-salateh. Some clerics just played around with it.
Be safe
AmenuelCan you explain it from some verse from the quran that indicates that it's not a physical prayer?
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You can always read about the praying birds in the skies. Otherwise I have only my own reinterpretation of Quran I am working on right now.
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Amenuel -
Now i've been reading some articles like on "mypercept" and some on free-minds about how salat isn't physical and still i'm not convinced.
-If salat isn't physical what's the point of ablution then?
-Why God told us the exact time we should pray?(dawn,noon,evening)
-Why God gave us steps on how to salat in the quran?(stand-bow-prostate)
-Why God told us to face the qibla while we do salat?Peace kamenriderkiki,
I would like to share some posts/threads with you. My hope is that you will find them useful/helpful.
The meanings of salat
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606711.0
The Quranic concept of Sujud
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606706.msg354418#msg354418
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606706.msg354452#msg354452
Direction of prayers, the Ka'aba and qibla
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11496.msg79477#msg79477
Compilation of discussions on salat
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598319.msg201534#msg201534
I deeply recommend the above-mentioned posts/threads.
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kamenriderkiki,
I would like to share one more post with you.
The Concept of Ibadah from Quran
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603684.msg354032#msg354032
You might find it useful/helpful.
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Peace kamenriderkiki,
I would like to share some posts/threads with you. My hope is that you will find them useful/helpful.
The meanings of salat
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606711.0
The Quranic concept of Sujud
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606706.msg354418#msg354418
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606706.msg354452#msg354452
Direction of prayers, the Ka'aba and qibla
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11496.msg79477#msg79477
Compilation of discussions on salat
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598319.msg201534#msg201534
I deeply recommend the above-mentioned posts/threads.
AHA! i knew there was something odd about the verse about animals and birds prostating, my suspicion isn't really wrong then
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You can always read about the praying birds in the skies. Otherwise I have only my own reinterpretation of Quran I am working on right now.
Be safe
AmenuelMaybe when you're done working on it, might wanna share it with the community?
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Maybe when you're done working on it, might wanna share it with the community?
That is the plan, and that is also according to the prophecy of Isaiah. But it is also worth knowing that it is always best to go with insight where it is appreciated. Jesus said a sarcastic expression once "Do not give dogs what is holy; do not throw your pearls before swine". That is not due to arrogance but about efficiency, you cannot have any breakthrough preaching for deaf ears.
Yet I am hospitable towards those with curiosity and I speak with sinners.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace kamenriderkiki,
I and many others believe that salah is both physical and mental. I don't think that the words standing, bending, and prostrating, have all been misunderstood as part of some massive ancient conspiracy... they mean standing and prostrating and they also have deeper meanings.
This post is a really fantastic quick summary
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606449.0
I agree with most everything in that article except the 'mark on the foreheads bit'
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The Salat is physical and spiritual at the same time please read
http//www.quran-islam.org/faq/salat_not_physical_%28P1394%29.html
Yes
I agree with that statement.
Me too!
Peace kamenriderkiki,
I and many others believe that salah is both physical and mental. I don't think that the words standing, bending, and prostrating, have all been misunderstood as part of some massive ancient conspiracy... they mean standing and prostrating and they also have deeper meanings.
This post is a really fantastic quick summary
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606449.0
I agree with most everything in that article except the 'mark on the foreheads bit'
Excellent link, I also conclude there is only one rakat as per Quran.
God bless
peace
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Now i've been reading some articles like on "mypercept" and some on free-minds about how salat isn't physical and still i'm not convinced.
-If salat isn't physical what's the point of ablution then?
-Why God told us the exact time we should pray?(dawn,noon,evening)
-Why God gave us steps on how to salat in the quran?(stand-bow-prostate)
-Why God told us to face the qibla while we do salat?If someone thinks of salat in terms of physical V spiritual/mental (i.e. its only one or the other), this suggests they have failed to grasp some basics, thus trying to understand a subject, such as "salat", is in my view, likely to be a waste of time.
For example, pretty much all concepts involve both, e.g. "zakat", "hajj", "taqwa", for it is through actions inner beliefs are evidenced.
SuJuD=physical prostration, problems
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Summary-problems-sujud-prostration-Quran.htmlAnd to face in one direction during salat is a figment of imagination and not found in Quran, this is a fact.
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Wakas do you still believe that sujood is completely mental without prostration?
And if so, how is someone supposed to end their prayer with sujood? And how are we meant to perform tasbeeh during and after sujood?
I'd appreciate it if you explained exactly how you perform sujood and indicate that your salah is complete.
I personally perform the salah as according the article I linked to above
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Me too!
Now, I like Salat. I think Salat is wonderful obligation and very useful. Praise be to Allah.
And, in my opinion, to be able to enjoy Salat, we need to understand about complete/total submission to Allah - that a human shouldn't doubt, shouldn't be ashamed, and shouldn't be arrogant to submit himself/herself as a whole (physically, spiritually, mentally) to Allah, glory be to Him.
I think if someone could enjoy submit himself/herself to Allah, then inshaAllah he/she could also enjoy Salat, could understand the benefit of maintaining it, could appreciate it, or even grateful for it.
Brother Hawk, now I shouldn't wonder why you usually seem enthusiastic in supporting Salat!
Peace.
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Now, I like Salat. I think Salat is wonderful obligation and very useful. Praise be to Allah.
And, in my opinion, to be able to enjoy Salat, we need to understand about complete/total submission to Allah - that a human shouldn't doubt, shouldn't be ashamed, and shouldn't be arrogant to submit himself/herself as a whole (physically, spiritually, mentally) to Allah, glory be to Him.
I think if someone could enjoy submit himself/herself to Allah, then inshaAllah he/she could also enjoy Salat, could understand the benefit of maintaining it, could appreciate it, or even grateful for it.
Brother Hawk, now I shouldn't wonder why you usually seem enthusiastic in supporting Salat!
Peace.
Peace JavaLatte,
Personally I love Allah, taqwa, Islam, believers, salat, fasting the month of Ramadan,
hajj, Quran, wisdom, understanding, truth, science, people and life. That's just me )God bless
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I want to say something maybe some people missed it
GOD created us as humans and a human is Clay (Physical) and Spirit (Spiritual)
so it's logical to worship and submit to GOD physically and Spiritually )
OH Note Salat physical acts are not pagan (some may refer to Pharaohs prayer) ... but ! the Salat (contact/ritual prayer) according to Quran is not the Salay that most Muslims practice )
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Personally I love Allah
Me too!
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taqwa, Islam, believers, salat, fasting the month of Ramadan,
hajj, Quran, wisdom, understanding, truth, science, people and life. That's just meHonestly, I cannot say that I love people, because there are people who I don't like.
I like the true/right deen, taqwa, wisdom, and understanding that comes from Allah.
I like true knowledge, I support the truth (regardless of what today's scientists say).
I like the Qur'an, I think it is great favor from Allah, and I like the true believers,
and regarding life, I prefer the life in the hereafter rather than the life in this world/realm.
May God bless you too, brother Hawk.
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I have never stated sujud is completely mental without prostration.
Wakas do you still believe that sujood is completely mental without prostration?
And if so, how is someone supposed to end their prayer with sujood? And how are we meant to perform tasbeeh during and after sujood?
I'd appreciate it if you explained exactly how you perform sujood and indicate that your salah is complete.
I personally perform the salah as according the article I linked to above
The answers to your questions can be found here
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.htmlIf a leader is upholding it to/for others, then the leader would likely determine when it begins and consequently when it ends. After the leader had finished what they wished to relay of AQ, then it is complete and the audience can respond/leave. If one is receiving information, one would not finish or respond halfway through. If we couple this with what has been said above, we can note that only some of the meanings of SJD could fit, i.e. "...so when they have submitted, worshipped, adored, honoured, paid respect". All refer to the completion of the command (i.e. to uphold the salat), not another act. This finding supports verses such 5039-40 in which the completion of a command (e.g. to SBH) is also referred to as a SJD. We can also see this meaning in 1648-49 when movement of a shadow (i.e. completion of a command) is a SJD.
In other words, in 4102, when they have SJD/submitted/acknowledged = when they have completed the salat. The SJD is the upholding/establishing the salat itself. We can perhaps better explain this using an analogy if I tell a group of students "Please show up for class and then WHEN YOU ARE DONE then you can leave". "When you are done" implies "when you have taken your class". The class could be 10 minutes or an hour, the teacher taking the class will determine when the class ends.The following is stated under the SJD entry in Lisan al-Arab providing a perfect fit
Translation Anyone who submitted and obeyed what he was commanded has "sajad".Notes 4102 may be connected with 3121-122. The example of 4102 is the only example of its kind in the entire Quran, i.e. no other prophet/messenger is discussed as having upheld/established/observed a salat in such a manner or with others. Technically, it says "when THEY have SJD" and does not reference the one leading the salat as doing SJD, which fits in with what was discussed.
Please note there is no similar example from Quran, like 4102, for an individual upholding the salat. 4102 is clearly referencing a group.
