Qur'an Alone Presence on Internet
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Really?
You mean that doesn't put hadith on it or that doesn't use hadith for religious intsruction?
I mean as in applying ideology that is completely removed from hadith.
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I just really related to the quran so any other book that was not like the bible or quran (full of instruction from ALLAH) was pointless and it gave me this sinking feeling like it was wrong or something.
I have been sunni converted by sunnis, then like a month or two later I became a shite on a whim.
but after I've travelled a bit from masjid to masjid I've come to understand that islam is not all about the prophet muhammed and also sadly no body reads the quran... my favorite thing on earth.
but the hadith was just .... try this out look for a hadith and find the coresponding quran verse (ayat)
ex the prophet told a man asking questions to stare at the sun, he said what if I burn my eyes? the prophet then said how can you asks to see ALLAH face to face
similar hadith (the story from another angle) a man ask the prophet what Allah looks like face to face, he said what does the sun look like face to face (or something similar to this I just heard the story going around and I was the only one who could write). narrowrated by my mom, my dad, all of my fans who inspired me(my award speech thanks list); but more like this guy told everyone this joke so I ran and got a scribe being illiterate we could not afford to pay him but he wrote it down and kept it until we could afford to buy the words from him, we all forgot and died and it was found by some guy who did not realize that it was written down like hitlers grocery list. lolz (I try to have fun with my answers)the ayat to this is surah nur, the verse stating ALLAH is the light of the heavens and the earth and an ayat supporting that is the ayat where ALLAH revealed himself to the children of Israel., they fell dead.
this is the basic set up to hadiths and I guess how they came about can you tell us your idea of how these hadiths ened up recorded in a time where scribes were few ayat supporting this is surah 2 baqarah near the verse 280-284 speaking of having someone take a deed in writing, not the verse with slaves and there freedom in writing (Abraham Lincoln , ALLAH bless him) but a contract while on the road near the last deed and will ayat.
simply everyone typing there idea on how a hadith comes into being will help us compare thoughts and logic and come to a reasonable assumption about hadiths in general, my big question is why weren't these people writing down quran verse and remembering them? in a time where the Qurans were so few, being no printing press, it would be way more important and valuable to write and pass down ayat from the "miracle" of ALLAH (there are no miracles everything simply happens somehow and ALLAH is not a sloppy god that he would need to alter his plan or throw things into being without explaination or a deed beforehand).
also which would you rather own at that time a passage from the quran or a few heresays from the masjids?
do you think the people truly believed as they did with prophet Jonah or do you think they are burning in hell for their hypocrisy?ayat no people believed except the people of Jonah they believed and we allowed them to enjoy for a time.
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Peace Runninglikezebras,
I've hear you mention this a couple of times before. Can you please elaborate your logic behind this?
Every quranist I ever met still adheres to either one or more of these doctrines which are only supported by hadith
- The prophethood of Muhammad
- The night journey
- The historicity of Mecca
- The change of qibla
- The Uthmanic codex as authentic and of divine origin
- The protected, never manipulated Quran
- The hijra from Mecca to Medina
- The Hejaz as region of origin of the Quraysh
- The existence and usage of "Islam and Muslim" as denominators before 720
- Revelation by Gabriel to Muhammad
The list is probably longer but these are the major themes.
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Ah, right I get you now. So you're saying the protected, never manipulated Quran is a hadith concept and not one with the Qur'an itself?
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I'm saying it's contradicted by scientific and historical fact. But the doctrine of it being totally unmanipulated is strongly supported by Hadith. I know the Quran itself states it. But a little research could easily tell you this isn't true. Rendering the verse in Quran about it's divine protection to most likely either predating the manipulation or an addition by the text manipulators themselves.
My understanding about the Quranic verse about its protection is in perspective of the transmission by judeonazarenes to Arab neophytes (among which muhammad). The verse assures the Arab audience of the integrity of the transmission from Judeonazarenes to Arabs. It never referred to a transmission by Gabriel to Muhammad or to some divinely protected scripture (the latter being impossible since it still was in the process of being transmitted!). The Quran referred to in Quran itself is the Judeonazarene lectionary (qorono). The proto-Quran.
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Free-Minds.org - this site is very strange and seems like a front for the Mormons
I am trying to stay clear of this forum to make it look less strange to the mainstream eye and let the sectarian Muslims have their faith. Yet I felt that certain people who do not outright buy this version may wish to have a 'guy' who knows about something else which may be more coherent.
Be safe
Amenuel -
I am trying to stay clear of this forum to make it look less strange to the mainstream eye and let the sectarian Muslims have their faith. Yet I felt that certain people who do not outright buy this version may wish to have a 'guy' who knows about something else which may be more coherent.
Be safe
AmenuelPeace brother,
What other forums do you frequent?
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It is in the bottom line of every post that I make.
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I'll check it out - any others? Are they oriented around the Qur'an at all?
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I've just checked this out man and it looks like your personal forum! Pease don't take this the wrong way but it's hardly a hive of activity - from the way you were talking I thought you were frequenting other forums with lots of like-minded people on them.
You said that you scared people here so went to other places, I didn't realise that place was a basement where you could scream as much as you liked without scaring anyone P
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Every quranist I ever met still adheres to either one or more of these doctrines which are only supported by hadith
- The prophethood of Muhammad
- The night journey
- The historicity of Mecca
- The change of qibla
- The Uthmanic codex as authentic and of divine origin
- The protected, never manipulated Quran
- The hijra from Mecca to Medina
- The Hejaz as region of origin of the Quraysh
- The existence and usage of "Islam and Muslim" as denominators before 720
- Revelation by Gabriel to Muhammad
The list is probably longer but these are the major themes.
i see what you mean they are connecting things that are not there, the quran is given in parables so it relates to every event ever not just these events (parables as in similitudes)