what are your views on Imam mahdi?
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The reality is; Religion is the PRODUCT of the culture of the particular area that it was and is in.
Judaism, Christianity AND Islam all started in the Middle East and were a product of the area they were in, but then when they dispersed into other parts of the world EXACTLY THE SAME THING HAPPENED in the West, these Middle Eastern religions evolved into something much different from their originals, especially in those places far removed from ME.
For Jesus, he's more familiar to the religion of Judaism (which he had conflict with) and Tanakh.
And he's totally alien to GOSPEL or QURAN or Christianity or Islam.
Since those things didn't exist during his lifetime.Judaism isn't this monolithic entity that has remained the same throughout time immemorial. In fact, most of the Judaism we see today developed in the Arabic-speaking world. And then it developed again from the middle ages to the modern period with the Germano-Slavic Yiddish establishing their White Hegemonic Western colony in the Middle East.
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Peace Jafar.
I disagree with you when you say
And he's totally alien to GOSPEL or QURAN or Christianity or Islam.Jesus may have been alien to Christianity and "Islam(traditional)",but he brought the true Gospel and gave good news of what was to follow after him._i.e Qoran- Jesus was very familiar with "his Gospel".
Let me revised my statement.
Jesus was alien to the Book of Matthew, the Book of Mark, the Book of John and the book of Luke.
And the book titled Quran cannonized by Uthman circa 600 years after his demise.
Plus Jesus was also alien to Christianity or Islam.There ARE great chances that Jesus might NOT be able to read Arabic or Latin script.
In the same manner as I'm alien to the book titled "How to find food in Alpha Centaury 5" or the religion of "Ionism".
As such thing doesn't exist during my lifetime.I say you may be alien to Qoran. Please give it justice and study it. Find out what is alien about it?
You may find it is not of this world, and only the Lord of the universe could have authored it!And that is the only thing alien about it.You mean book titled Quran cannonized by Uthman circa 600 AD?
Oh no worries, I'm VERY FAMILIAR with it since I was 5 yo or so.And NO I don't think the God of all universes wrote it..(Quran, Gospel or Tanakh or any other holy book) actually I didn't find any of such statement too within those books.
I am convinced that all of it was written by human.Plus I don't need any "Book" or "Holy Artifacts" to see or understand what the "God of all universes" wrote or revealed to me.
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Judaism isn't this monolithic entity that has remained the same throughout time immemorial.
Of course, Judaism has its root in (much older) Semitic Culture + Ancient Egyptian culture.
That's why they have this odd conception of "Holy Book".
Which was started by Ancient Egyptian (i.e. Book Of The Dead).
We can call Judaism as Ancient Egyptian 2.0..And the evolution hasn't stopped.
It gives birth to Judaism 1.5 (Christianity) and Judaism 2.0 (Islam)
Who knows in the future they will adopt the conception of "Holy Software" too!! -
Of course, Judaism has its root in (much older) Semitic Culture + Ancient Egyptian culture.
That's why they have this odd conception of "Holy Book".
Which was started by Ancient Egyptian (i.e. Book Of The Dead).
We can call Judaism as Ancient Egyptian 2.0..And the evolution hasn't stopped.
It gives birth to Judaism 1.5 (Christianity) and Judaism 2.0 (Islam)
Who knows in the future they will adopt the conception of "Holy Software" too!!Hence we return to the culturalisation of religions, the majority of Judaism now is under the yoke of the German Yiddish Western Imperialists, whereas Middle Eastern culture has always remained as Islam's central focus in contradiction to the Rome of Christianity and the New York and Hollywood of Judaism.
Which goes back to my original point with which you had issue - taking the holistic approach, besides a bit of text, the pronounciation of which has been clearly bastardised to the point of ridiculousness, linguistically, racially and culturally Jesus would still be a better fit in 'backward' rural Jordan than 'modern' Tel Aviv.
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Peace Jafar.
When you say
You mean book titled Quran cannonized by Uthman circa 600 AD?
Oh no worries, I'm VERY FAMILIAR with it since I was 5 yo or so.What Qoran do you know?
Also please share with us your findings with the one you are familiar with . Who wrote it? What do you make of what it says?
Thanks in advance.
GOD bless you.
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Hence we return to the culturalisation of religions, the majority of Judaism now is under the yoke of the German Yiddish Western Imperialists, whereas Middle Eastern culture has always remained as Islam's central focus in contradiction to the Rome of Christianity and the New York and Hollywood of Judaism.
Which goes back to my original point with which you had issue - taking the holistic approach, besides a bit of text, the pronounciation of which has been clearly bastardised to the point of ridiculousness, linguistically, racially and culturally Jesus would still be a better fit in 'backward' rural Jordan than 'modern' Tel Aviv.
So?
The conflict between "West and East"..
Or to be more exact "Western part of Mediterranean vs Eastern part of Mediterranean" has been going on for 2500 years up until today. And BOTH SIDES are IMPERIALIST from my point of view.
Thus I have no comment on their conflict.To Indians, Chinese, Pakistani, Indonesians, Japan, Korean reader this "ancient conflict" doesn't involve you.. You guys doesn't matter from their point of view although your are on the "eastern part" of the world.
Having said that, the teaching of Jesus, based on the writing on the Book of Matt, Mark and Luke is CERTAINLY eastern influenced (Far eastern that is). The teaching of Jesus fits well in NEPAL or CHINA compared to MECCA, ROME, JERUSALEM or TEL AVIV. Well that's why he faced problem in Jerusalem in the first place when he said
Look dude.. the beard doesn't matter, the circumcision doesn't matter, the great temple in Jerusalem doesn't matter, the burnt offering doesn't matter, the sacrifice doesn't matter, the sabbath doesn't matter.. it's your DEED that matter..
What Qoran do you know?
Also please share with us your findings with the one you are familiar with . Who wrote it? What do you make of what it says?
And what Qoran do you know?
Who actually wrote it? To me it doesn't matter...
But most definitely a HUMAN WHO CAN READ AND WRITE.I take what's good from ANY SOURCES and ditch what's BAD on ANY SOURCES.
Regardless of who wrote it.. regardless of it's "HOLINESS" status.In the end it's your deed that matter..
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So?
The conflict between "West and East"..
Or to be more exact "Western part of Mediterranean vs Eastern part of Mediterranean" has been going on for 2500 years up until today. And BOTH SIDES are IMPERIALIST from my point of view.
Thus I have no comment on their conflict.What on Earth are you going on about? It's not the same conflict; it's a conflict between those living in the Southern Mediterranean vs those living North of the Alps. Italians and Spaniards of the Western Mediterranean haven't colonized the Middle East en masse - you're not making any sense.
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Peace Jafar.
Thank you for your post.
I follow the Qoran that I preach in most of my posts. The one that I have solid proof it is from my Lord.
You are also entitled to your own beliefs
If you want to know more read the thread "The system,GOD s system since human walked the earth". I quote a lot from the Qoran I believe in
For me beliefs and good deeds go hand in hand.
Thank you once more.
GOD bless you.
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What on Earth are you going on about? It's not the same conflict; it's a conflict between those living in the Southern Mediterranean vs those living North of the Alps. Italians and Spaniards of the Western Mediterranean haven't colonized the Middle East en masse - you're not making any sense.
That's why I said it doesn't matter..
All are IMPERALIST..Italians of the Western Mediterranean did colonized the Middle East en masse.. (Roman Empire.. Helloooo???)
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If you want to know more read the thread "The system,GOD s system since human walked the earth". I quote a lot from the Qoran I believe in
I don't believe in Qoran or any other holy books..
God's system has been in place LONG BEFORE human walked on earth.
And will still be in place LONG AFTER human no longer walked on earth.He doesn't need any help of any enforcement of such system.. or He need to write any book about it... or program any software about it. .(Just in case somebody came up with an idea of "Holy Software" in the future)
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That's why I said it doesn't matter..
All are IMPERALIST..I'll tell that to my Palestinian friends who've had their lives destroyed by Israel.
Italians of the Western Mediterranean did colonized the Middle East en masse.. (Roman Empire.. Helloooo???)
You're equating the Roman Empire with Zionist Israel now? Pay your taxes, don't resist and you can live in peace - Pax Romana. There's nothing the Palestinians can to do to please the Israelis other than die or go away - it's one of the worst genocides in the history of humanity.
I'm really starting to dislike you.
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Peace Jafa
Why the assumption?
Who is enforcing anything on anyone?At least we agree on
God's system has been in place LONG BEFORE human walked on earth.
And will still be in place LONG AFTER human no longer walked on earth.We differ on our belief and understanding. That is also God s system ,He chooses what to create.
GOD bless you.
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salam,
I was just curious how tou view the mahdi because i have been searchin about this particular figure lately and what I learned is something very shocking. So shocking that I am thinking of going back to christianity since I am a convert to Islam . What I found was if you read the Bible concerning the Anti-Christ and read the hadiths concerning who the mahdi is you would see that the anti-christ of the bible is the mahdi that the muslims are waiting for. I encourage you mu bros and sis to search up "Mahdi is the biblical anti-christ" and you would be shock how similar the biblical anti christ and imam mahdi are. So mu question is Do you as muslims also think that the mahdi is the anti christ? Like if you read the quran there is no mention pf him.Peace kenybanez,
I also used to strongly believe in the coming of Imam Mahdi (I used to be Alevi/Bektashi, a sufi-shia sect from Turkey who also believe in the Twelve Imams) together with the second coming of Jesus/Yeshua/Eesa the Messiah. After finding out these statements contradict the Qur'an (for example Chapter 5, verses 116-117), I rejected them. They are obviously Satanic inventions/fairytales and I don't want to base my beliefs on stories. While GOD is our only Savior and Helper, and should be sufficient for us (3936), we people keep making up other saviors, helpers, heroes, supermen, hazrats, masters, maulas, etc. who are supposed to magically appear and make everything right, while we can just sit back and do nothing.. GOD does not change the condition of a people before they change what is in themselves (1311). To me, 'Mahdi' is just another name for the laziness of this Ummah, who have already left the Qur'an.. (2530)
The story of a 'savior' and an 'anti-christ' can be found in almost every man-made religion.. I personally believe (and scholars like Yasar Nuri Ozturk also believe this) that these stories found its way into Christianity from Jewish traditions.. and later made it's way into the Hadith of muslims because of the many Jewish converts to Islam.. just like there are also many other Jewish traditions that have found their way into Islam (like circumcision, the stoning of women, etc.) while the Qur'an does not mention any of them. The Qur'an is fully detailed (6114), is not a fabricated hadith (12111) and contains an explanation of all things (1689 and 1854). The Qur'an should be sufficient for us (2951) and prophet Muhammad only warned us with the Qur'an (2145).
Qur'an 73 "Follow what was sent down to you from your Lord, and do not follow besides Him any supporters/leaders. Little do you remember!"
Qur'an 456 "These are the revelations of God, We recite them to you with the truth. So, in which narrative/hadith after God and His revelations do they believe?"
Peace be with you.
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We differ on our belief and understanding. That is also God s system ,He chooses what to create.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Correct and it's normal.
And so does you and Jesus for that matter..Jesus didn't believed in the "Book titled Quran cannonized by Othman 600 years after his demise" too!
Or neither he believed in the "Non Fallacious Nature or Divine Nature" of a set of book titled "New Testament".
Or neither he ever goes to Church or Mosque.Again how does it matter?
It's the deed that matter..
What Jesus (and also his cousin John) did was amazing..
They do good deeds,
They "fought" the powerful organized religion of his time, which is THEIR OWN religion.
And they paid dearly for such deed.
John was beheaded and Jesus was crucified.The "Books Of Gospel" is one of the most anti-religious book that ever written.
Oddly it become one of the most popular "religious book" of all time too..PS Why nobody ever hoped that "John will return"?