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-=[ Correction/Modification to FM Translation of AlQuraan ]=-

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    runninglikezebras
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    Pretty shameless question, but I will still answer it. No, I'm not homosexual, I'm heterosexual. I'm one of those that sees the fallacy in thinking God is so narrow-minded to judge people based on a sexual orientation.

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      unknownuser
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      Can you please render malaikatu and all the other quranic words were "angels" are put as "powerful energies"

      That's what malaikatu are, powerful energies created by the THE GOD.

      My proof would be the fact this word is consistent from the root mim lam kaf in having "powerful/possessing ascribed to it, and let's face it angels and cherubs are in which books?

      Anything along those lines I think people would agree?

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        runninglikezebras
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        Hi Nonmushirk,

        I agree "powerful energies" or "controllers" is the meaning of the word. Although I don't object to the use of the word Angel. To me that's exactly what angels are. See my post on the analogy between electrons/angels.

        Peace

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          runninglikezebras
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          During my translation work, I noticed the freeminds quran curiously translates Quran into revelation in

          4144 And had We made it a non-Arabic revelation, they would have said "If only its verses were made clear!" Non-Arabic and Arabic, say "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away."

          Is there any reason to translate http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=61978 into revelation instead of a literal translation of Quran? I have seen this "concealing" of the literal translation in other translations as well, most likely to avoid the inconsistency of a Quran that is in the process of being revealed while referring to itself as an already written text.

          This part is very poorly translated as well " Non-Arabic and Arabic, say " Which is incorrect since that part of the verse is still interrogative!

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            runninglikezebras
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            Bump.

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              Wakas
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              into revelation instead of a literal translation of Quran?

              A literal translation would be "reading/recitation" not "Quran".

              This part is very poorly translated as well " Non-Arabic and Arabic, say " Which is incorrect since that part of the verse is still interrogative!

              http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=41&verse=44#(41441)

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                runninglikezebras
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                What use have candles and glasses when the owl refuses to see?

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                  Wakas
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                  What use have candles and glasses when the owl refuses to see?

                  Glasses on an owl doesn't make much sense. ;D

                  In any case, if you are the owl and cannot see, I am agreeing with part of your post for which I linked to corpus, to show an alternative translation.

                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                    runninglikezebras
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                    Glasses on an owl doesn't make much sense. ;D

                    In any case, if you are the owl and cannot see, I am agreeing with part of your post for which I linked to corpus, to show an alternative translation.

                    It's a local saying, don't worry about it. Corpus quran btw also translates it as Quran not as revelation.

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                      Alper88
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                      I have a question about verse 2157 "For those there will be contacts from their Lord and a mercy, they are the guided ones."

                      Why is the word "alawtun" translated as contacts? I know it's from the word salat, but doesn't the word salat mean support in some verses of the Qur'an? For example verse 3356 says that God and the angels will SUPPORT the Prophet, but the free-minds translation says the same thing here "God and His angels make contact with the prophet. O you who believe, you shall make contact with him, and comply completely."

                      This doesn't make sense.. don't you guys think 'support' would be a better translation?

                      Peace.

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                        Layth
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                        Salam,

                        I can think of "reaching-out" as possibly fitting in better. "support" deviates too much from the root of the word.

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                          Alper88
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                          Salam,

                          I can think of "reaching-out" as possibly fitting in better. "support" deviates too much from the root of the word.

                          That would indeed make more sense. Will this be applied to the Monotheist translation?

                          I noticed the author of this article also believes "reaching-out" is the best English translation https//sites.google.com/site/icrqsonweb/articles/true-salat

                          Peace be with you.

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                            csmith
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                            Salaam runninglikezebras,

                            You made some interesting points, but I'm not personally convinced.

                            I am assuming that the story of the people of Lot was well established before the Quran was revealed, and that the established account already claimed that the society was destroyed because it was sexually liberal, having no shame about sodomy. The Quran does not 'correct' that interpretation, despite correcting many other misconceptions that had crept into the faith. The Quran confirms what came before it, and corrects any errors people have introduced.

                            It seems rash to dismiss a very well established account on the basis that the Quran does not reiterate the charge of sodomy explicitly. Your earlier statements, where you reject any god that considers sodomy a sin, demonstrate that you have a theological need to conclude that sodomy is halal. You appear to be clutching at straws to achieve this though.

                            If sodomy is halal, and the accepted account of the destruction of Sodom is just homophobic propaganda, you would expect that to be made clear in the Quran. The absence of any correction to that effect suggests that there was nothing to correct - the established view was generally sound, and sodomy is haram.

                            If I've misunderstood your position, forgive me. I am genuinely interested in understanding it. If you can point me to other material, beyond the comments you've made in this thread, I'd be grateful.

                            Cheers

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                              csmith
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                              Just a little typo

                              And they say "Obedience" but when they come out from being with you a group of them prepares for other that what you have said, and God records what they planned. So turn away from them and put your trust in God. God is enough for your trust.

                              Should be for other than what you have said.

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                                Layth
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                                Thank you.

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                                  csmith
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                                  No problem, Layth. When you have ten minutes, I'd be really grateful if you'd check out the project I put together on GitHub. Your blessing would be massively appreciated there. Thanks for all the work you've done round here Layth. I hope you are happy for me to build on it, and hope you will get involved in the project once I get things more established.

                                  https//github.com/carlsmith/quran

                                  Thanks again man.

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                                    A_Submitter
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                                    Salam,

                                    I think these might by minor errors.

                                    5033 Who is concerned towards the Almighty while unseen, and came with a repenting heart
                                    (missing dot in the end)

                                    6511 A messenger who recites to you the revelations of God, which are clear, to lead those who believe and work righteousness out of the darkness into the light. Anyone who believes in God and does good works, He will admit him into estates with rivers flowing beneath them; abiding therein eternally. God has granted for him an excellent reward.
                                    (Not sure if in bold is missing and between darkness and into. I don't know how it is in Arabic Quran, but other verses has and between them (2257, 516, 141, 145, 579))

                                    7110 ?And I said Seek forgiveness from your Lord, for He was forgiving.?
                                    (Shouldn't it be is?)

                                    7223 It is but an announcement from God, and His messages. And whoever disobeys God and His messenger, then he will have the fire of Hell to dwell eternally therein.
                                    (Is it messages or messengers?)

                                    Salam

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                                      Layth
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                                      Salam A Submitter,

                                      Thank you. I have made the corrections, except for your last point, which is written correctly in the Quran as "messages".

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                                        A_Submitter
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                                        Salam,

                                        237 Adam then received words from His Lord, so He forgave him; He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.

                                        Small error-His with small h.

                                        Salam

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                                          A_Submitter
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                                          Salam,

                                          212 No, they are the corruptors, but they do not perceive.

                                          Maybe an error, the o. Checked word "corrupters", it occurs many times, corruptor only once.

                                          Salam

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