The great secret of Islam - the hidden history of Islam revealed
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Some easily accessible references for further study of the origins of Islam
Edouard-Marie Gallez, doctor of theology and religious history, original author of the theory of judeonazarenes as the source of Islam and of the overall vision developed in The Great Secret of Islam
• His thesis The Messiah and his prophet - 2 volumes - Editions de Paris, 2005-2010
• The Site where E-M. Gallez updates his thesis http//www.lemessieetsonprophete.com In particular, the analysis of the root "kfr / kuffar / infidel" in the Koran and the Muslim discourse.
Robert M. Kerr - assistant professor at Wilfrid Laurier University (Canada)
• "The language of the Koran" how the Koran was written in Syria (English article).
Patricia Crone - Professor at the Institute for Advanced Study (Princeton, USA), former lecturer at Oxford and Cambridge (United Kingdom)
• Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam - Princeton University Press, 1987.
• How did the quranic pagans make a living ?
Manfred Kropp - professor at the University of Mainz (Germany)
"A philologist reads the Quran," lecture series given at the College of France in October 2005• Pre-Islamic Arabia http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQJY1OdHtJc
• The quranic fact http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G1dHK7fbqk
• Written and oral tradition http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiKd_IsX0Yw
• Koranic studies in the West http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW-o5lW3mjo
William Dye - professor at the Free University of Brussels (Belgium) -
• Free conversation with William Dye on his research with Abdelwahab Meheb, on his show Cultures of Islam on France Culture (03/14/2014).
• Participation in the collective work Judaism among "theology of substitution" and "theology of falsification" proceedings of the conference held at the Institute of Jewish Studies (ULB) 23, 24 and 25 September 2008.
Tom Holland - historian and English writer - Documentary "Islam the untold story" (English), released in August 2012 on the BBC, based in part on the work of Patricia Crone (documentary from which is extracted the photo of the first piece currency to mention Mohammed, shown on page 53).
One can also view and download freely from the site http//legrandsecretdelislam.com a synthesis in two parts of the Great Secret of Islam a summary in 8 pages, and a presentation of the main sources and selected bibliography at the basis of the Great Secret of Islam, in 10 pages.
http//rootsofislamtruehistory.com/subpages/Genealogy-Islam.PNG
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This completes the translation of the work. It undoubtedly contains still many errors from my parts and I'm sure the eventual pdf translation will be much improved upon. Feel free to debate the issues rising from this translation or post your questions. When the complete pdf version is published online, we will notify in this thread.
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CONCLUSION
Islam is the fruit of a very long and complex process of rewriting of history, rooted in a Judaeo-Christian deviant faith, maddened by the expectations of Messianists.The equation will be
Islam = Judaism + Christianism + Arab Paganism + Zoroastrianism + TengriismThe evolution of Islam hasn't stopped, (depending on your perspective) now it has also evolved into
Islam = Judaism + Christianism + Arab Paganism + Arab Nationalism + Zoroastrianism + TengriismThis gradual process gave birth to a new religion that has always pursued the goals of its judeonazarene Messianist founders. It imposed on civil society a political system of domination exploiting the religious to install a totalitarian authority.
In fact, Islam is transmitted and continues to be transmitted through the iron fist of the rulers and Muslim regimes, by fear of the sacred, fear of hell and the social body of control by the group on the individual. It demanded and still demands the renunciation of any questioning and criticism. Submission is at this point the condition of its perpetuation which it even deploys as a standard. But this total submission, crushing men, nations and cultures, was never fully accomplished under penalty of absolutely destroying civil society upon which Islam itself depends for its perpetuation.That IS the objective of any religion and why a dogma is essential for religion.
The true Islam remains and will always remain to be established tomorrow. The chronic inability of Islam to honor its Messianist promises does not prevent its expansion the dream of "tomorrows" has always appealed. Billions of people believed stronlgy in the dogmas of class struggle and proletarian dictatorship (one third of the world population was in the "communist camp" in the early 1980s), despite the so heavy tribute they paid for it themselves .
Communism and Atheism IS a religion.
Of course, many Muslims dream of an ideal Islam, an Islam of peace and harmony among all people, all cultures, all religions - and many non-Muslims dream of it as well!
The Islam of Peace do not exist.
As well as Christianity of Peace , Judaism of Peace, Atheism of Peace.For the great majority of Muslims consists of honest people who do not apply to the letter the commands of Islamic violence and political domination, who do not share the vision of an Islamic terrible and warlike God (s61,4 "God loves those who are killed on his path" ). Many do not even know, and this is also for the better.
Of course Muslim (as social identity) or any other social identity is a mixture of both good and bad people.
And if the mystics even manage to isolate from their practice of Islam some wisdom, we must also see it as a result of simple human experience and the influence of non-muslim values (including Christian).
Christian????
Without this, it can only be in perpetual war against it, that is to say perpetually at war with humanity.
All dogmatic religion is at perpetual war with humanity.. including but not limited to Christianity..
Western modernity at the origin of these phenomena, and the Muslim reaction against it, thus have as an indirect effect some kind of overactivation of the internal mechanism of Islam (see diagram on page 57). We observe therefore the appearance and development of new trends Muslim Brotherhood, Salafism, Takfirism, attempts to restore the Caliphate and other "Islamisms". They all proceed from an uncontrolled re-Islamization because of the will of a full implementation of the religion and a return to its roots.
"Western modernity" is not the origin of "the phenomena".
In any places where "critical thinking" appears, it will always be challenged and disposed by the conservative + traditionalist.We can trace it back to Abbasid Empire (Razi for example), Ancient China, Greece (e.g. Socrates), Ancient Mesopotamia (e.g. Abraham). And the conflict is still going on until today around the globe.
That is why the time is up for Islam. Failing to achieve its own critical examination, it lets others do it.
Time is up for ALL religion.
Islam is on it's downward trend towards extinction and so does Christianity, Judaism, Atheism, Communism and other dogmatic religion."If there is any religion that could correspond to the needs of modern science, it would be Buddhism"
-- A. EinsteinAnd here's why
"Don't blindly believe what I say. Don't believe me because others convince you of my words.
Don't believe anything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or scriptures.
Don't rely on logic alone, nor speculation. Don't infer or be deceived by appearances.
Do not give up your authority and follow blindly the will of others.
This way will lead to only delusion.
Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real.
Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things.
Once you have discovered for yourself give up the bad and embrace the good."
-- S. GauthamaYet once somebody created a religion named "Buddhism" and instill a dogmatic idea to be enforced upon it's people, then the religion named "Buddhism" will also follow the same path as any other religion.
You can replace the word "Buddhism" above with any other names (Quranist, True Islam, Reform Judaism, Reformist, Reform Christian whatever..)
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Quite interesting comments from both of you.
The more I resort to my own thinking (logical/critical) of the religion, the more distrust is developed , but this is because my thinking of the religion is over shadowed by its practical implementation (people, wars, conquest, dictatorship, kings, making use of religious tactics etc etc).It is very difficult to separate the conventional religion from the message, because the society you live , is embedded with it. Unless you escape from the traditional religious society and live a life of your own rules....not easy when you are married and kids and relations around you and the funny part is you see your children being brain washed by same rituals and yet you cant do much about it.
Couple of days ago I read news about tempering with the DNA(designer babies) to change characteristics of a person (appearance) etc.
http//www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=52172#.VhkM1PlVikoI think few centuries from now, people will be living with such flood of information that like what folks discuss here being quranists and all that where freedom is there to talk about different meanings of angels, messengers books.... will reach to commoners and there might be different definitions of these verses/objects just so to accommodate or adapt the religion into the new discoveries to make them appear compatible.
Today while making tea I accidently burned by hand and it hurt so much at that time that I realize or remember the verses of Quran for punishment of change of skin. Whether that is again a metaphor or not is another discussion. The point is that despite all of the new concepts and stuff, we are still slaves of the mortal nature of our bodies. The death is the real truth and as long as these things are there, people will continue to fall for or believe in traditional interpretations of the religion.
One of the colleague was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer (18 months ago) was a modern free thought person. he died within a year but he resorted to being very religious and all that towards the end. What does it mean that we humans when confronted with terminal illness will become closer to God and will perhaps adopt traditional practices of the religion thinking to be saved in the next life.
Having said all above, I am further lost and confused and not sure what is the truth or lies...
My question is what is the definition of Faith in actual sense?Cheers
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The equation will be
Islam = Judaism + Christianism + Arab Paganism + Zoroastrianism + TengriismA lot of this is hardly groundbreaking and original research though now is it? I'm not disputing you, I just want everyone here to know that this is basically putting forward the already established idea that all religions are syncretic by nature.
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A lot of this is hardly groundbreaking and original research though now is it? I'm not disputing you, I just want everyone here to know that this is basically putting forward the already established idea that all religions are syncretic by nature.
Of course it is..
However MOST people still think that their RELIGION IS COMING STRAIGHT FROM GOD.
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This is a great read but lenghty. It ought to be an e-book. @runninglikezebras, wouldn't it be great if you can gather an e-book on your findings which you may publish on e-book stores like Amazon Kindle? You can share this with more Muslims that way.
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It will be available as an e-book on Olaf's website and on amazon I assume. The english version is currently being worked on. A french version is already available and has drawn a massive amount of attention.
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The death is the real truth and as long as these things are there, people will continue to fall for or believe in traditional interpretations of the religion.
Yes death will be the real truth.
We're all born without religion and shall die without it.
Religion, social identity, nationality, name, gender, ethnicity is nothing but a "dressing" attached to your "ego" in this world.Having said all above, I am further lost and confused and not sure what is the truth or lies...
My question is what is the definition of Faith in actual sense?islam is an attitude and not a religion.
The hindrance of doing islam (also denoted as becoming muslim) is your own ego.
We can say that being a muslim is generally an attitude of "Peaceful Acceptance" of anything that is going around you, as anything that is going on around you is all the will of God, whether you like it or not.Feel free to change the name of muslim or islam attitude to anything that you want.
And such attitude is recommended by many people worldwide throughout times, it appears in the Gospel, Tanakh, Tao The Ching, Confucious writings, Ghita, Sidharta's writings even today's self help books.
The true test of becoming a muslim will be on the time of death.
The moment of death is the the time where your "ego" will be destroyed.
No more religion, no more nationality, no more gender, no more ethnicity, no more "name".That's the true meaning of the verse
"And Abraham instructed his sons and Jacob, , "O my sons, indeed Allah has chosen for you this DEEN, so do not die except as muslims"
(2132)Buddha was asked, ?What have you gained from meditation??
He replied; nothing.
However, let me tell you what I lost
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Islam is a word to define the condition of being sound and Mu - slm is a person who is sound characteristically as an attribute. In our Spiritual realm it is considered when your Spirit is in good shape rather than shattered and broken, i.e. you are one with "God" or "a mirror of God", when you are a complete Muslim. The Muslim struggles towards personal perfection in terms of character (not perfect according to hedonistic hypocrites) and has nil to do with worship practices a'la religion.
Be safe
Amenuel -
A good point Man of Faith, and one that is regularly forgotten -\
I can add that empathy is one parameter often forgotten and that people believe that those "in the path of God" should be robot-like and very stern and that it oftentimes feel like they are without a heart.
Empathy is actually mentioned on the fifth line of the Decree while Jesua choose to present it as the most important decree except the first one. I agree with him, most people actually falter on the fifth parameter, which often is interpreted as "treat your neighbor as yourself" but in practice refers to the "stumbling block" of the human instinctive nature to disregard empathy as they pursue the Beastly drive. The Decree was actually presented thousands of years ago to Musa as man's stumbling blocks and what to do to prevent yourself from falling upon them. The clergy made them into tyrannical laws while it is each individual's choice to "be dead or alive", while the lifeless person continues to stumble on the stones continually.
I know the traditional Muslims (including people here) hate me for this, but the Decree does first of all not have to do with obedience (to God) but about saving you from yourself, or rather from your Beastly Body that you are trapped within while under delusion. God does not require any Pagan worship since God is "who is as such" from the Mosaic expression "I am who am I", a kind of symbiotic/assimilating phenomenon. Those who are not, they wander in (such be) darkness (al-zalam م which does refer to not having any cognitive ability of who they really are but "live as according to the Flesh" while they may delusively think they are aware.
Knowing that, the Decree is a set of guidelines on how to best finish this testing ground and come out victorious by forsaking the strong drive to indulge in what lures forth the primitive nature of their Bodies. There is good wisdom in the Messianic expression "separate the Spirit from the Body", i.e. stop being an animal, or ape/primate as a crude term that God uses at least once in Quran. We should show ourselves that we are better than that, not accept ourselves to be imperfect, because God created our Spirit in his image while the Body was a contradiction in our test environment to put us to the test under delusion from our true selves.
Those who worship God and truly distance themselves without associating themselves with God they have completely turned the wrong way in delusion and actually do exactly as the Body likes them to do. This is the blunt truth. Love was even twisted when Jesua said it as the word "be/show attached to/cling unto" (abd) is translated as love in his expression "love your neighbor as yourself" while it means "care for your neighbor as yourself" and "love your Lord with all your heart and all your soul" means to be attached to. The same word (abada) is further twisted in Islam to serve and even worship while it means "be close/attached to" literally (this claim can be verified using an ancient lexicon to see I am not mumbling). Nearly 100% literally the word abada means "gain attachment to" if we paraphrase it a little, by which you can probably figure out its implication on the language. Everything goes to the Oneness in existence that we should have with everything that exists, and even if people are "lifeless" God still provides for those and we should do the same as "are as such" (allahem), both animals and advanced primates, and plants. The question is what you choose to be; the Body or your (divine) Spirit in unity with God.
Lifeless implies that these people have a diminished or even nonexistent (individual) Spirit (animals/plants/spatial environment plus totally broken human Spirits). You can connect that to when Jesua sarcastically said "Let the dead bury their dead" which was also meant as a subtle parable at the same time. You can be dead even if you think you are alive. A dead person follows the pattern of their species' instinctive drive (satan) and the prophets seem to have loved using sheep as parables, probably because it is easy for people to relate to. The shepherds (the leader sheep) are the clergymen or people in charge, or versions of shepherds that did not really exist but the clergy invented their sayings.
Be safe
Amenuel -
The English translation of this book is currently in progress and I'm told (by Olaf) it is expected to be released in February 2016.
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The English translation of this book is currently in progress and I'm told (by Olaf) it is expected to be released in February 2016.
I am enjoying this a lot, dear Olaf and runninglikezebras. I think you made a great job and you are trying to find the truth and it never made me feel uncomfortable about the Quran or whatever. I hope I find time to read it all shortly.
Anyway, except the history points and focusing on the Quran, your all theory only reaffirms Quran, I mean, as Allah said on it the Quran is not nothing new, it was given to Jews and Christians before so the parallels are expected. You are refuting or studying sunna, not Islam as the other bothers explain very clearly that islam is an attitude, not a "religion" (not even a minimum clergy is established in the Quran). What happened later with politics and fightings is something out of real Islam. Muhammad? we don't know and we will never know who he was.Also I suppose you write later about it but I miss one central point why is then the Quran the way it is untill today? I mean, it could be clearer for expansionist porpuses and could have include hadith literature INSIDE it, and not alone as it has been preserved.
On the other hand, I think you are forgetting the sana?a manuscript dated from before 670 and containing verses identical with the ones we have now. This was a big fault in Cook?s work, for example. So, I will keep reading because I believe we will always remain in ignorance about the history of those days, mixed with myths, political issues and propaganda (it works today in the intenet era, imagine back then!!) and works like yours are just what we need to open our minds and make us think. Btw this is a very good article for a Philosophy work trying to refute the idea of God and of course Revelation, applied to Islam. http//www.qcc.cuny.edu/SocialSciences/ppecorino/INTRO_TEXT/Chapter%203%20Religion/Koran-Origins.htm (of course you have made a huge research, what i am telling you about one single article you might now... sorry, did not want to offend)
I loved it, and again it made me even believe more.Thanks for your contribution, I hope you don't mind if I annoy you at some point with questions )
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Did anyone accept Islam at the time of Muhammad?
I haven't heard a story of prophet Muhammad like prophet Jonas where he was a coin-flipping fugitive.
The Quran says no community believed except prophet Jonas'Are these histories true worthy? What events of world news were in them? Wars and famines all promises we will be tried with "something" of these.
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The main issue here is to consider what "islam" could have been at the time of Muhammad.
We have have no evidence to assertain that islam as we know it today existed at the time of Muhammad. On the contrary, we have evidence to prove that "islam" evolved a lot between Muhammad and the 9th century. The first material evidence of complete qurans, hadiths books and sira date from the 9th century. What happened before ? -
The main issue here is to consider what "islam" could have been at the time of Muhammad.
We have have no evidence to assertain that islam as we know it today existed at the time of Muhammad. On the contrary, we have evidence to prove that "islam" evolved a lot between Muhammad and the 9th century. The first material evidence of complete qurans, hadiths books and sira date from the 9th century. What happened before ?the word islam was an adjective and not the brand name of a religion or sect or a social identity..
This is a recurring pattern, after a famous person died.. somebody created a religion out of him..
They created a religion based on Muhammad's life story and named it Islam.
They created a religion based on Jesus's life story and named it Catholicismus (Universal)
The same old thing...Islam has evolved a lot even after 9th century... the crescent and moon symbol is among the thing that was added after the 9th century. And the evolution of Islam (The brand name of religion / social identity) continues up until today..
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Peace Jafar.
Who is going to believe "history" without checking everything-Yes everything- with tooth and comb.
For example How is history going to write what goes on today around the world? For example
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=noln8nx43Sk
Is this true or false?
Make up your own mind!!! Is what you know really what happened?
Humans can be wicked!!! They will do anything( Yes kill innocent people by the millions) and write it as "good" history!!!!
GOD bless you.
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my grandfather told me about mughal history,
emperor jahanghir used to kill lion with his own hands , face to face fight
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should i beleive it,
samson and delayla
samson killed the lion and break his jaws with his own hands, shall i believe it, lol brickwall
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All this stupidity of th pseudo-historian called Odon Lafontaine is based in the very flawned work of his mentor, the Christian pastor Edouard-Marie Gallez ''Le Messie et son Prophete", and the book of Orientalist Robert Hoyland "Seeing Islam as others saw".
His thesis is a mixture to Orientalism and willing, but with very serious flaws, based in pseudo-history.
This guy, Olaf, have been debunked by a Salafi convert. Look this video, which he is being challenged by French Salafi Karim al hanifi. It is French.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1BsWcrju1E
You can read "Seeing Islam as others saw" if you are interested, in the page of Olaf https//legrandsecretdelislam.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/r-hoyland-seeing_islam_as_other_saw_it.pdf
