Quran Alone Muslims Need To Connect With One Another
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Peace Osman.
Again that post does not have any claims from me? I was asking you to check Qoran yourself in the context of the post!
Fairness is required from you as well .
For example why not list this other post from me? It confirms my point
Peace Osman.
I understand you.
Now let me see if I can clarify here so you can understand me.
It is not my job to convince you or anyone of the divinity of Qoran. I can only give you my view/understanding.
Like you I started my journey by checking the same claim.Among many claims that I checked was this one
http//submission.org/Word_of_God.htmlIt is a process that one must undertake and check for themselves, if they are serious about finding out.
Actually Qoran issues this challenge quite confidently and authoritatively.
Different people will give you different reasons of why they do or do not hold the Qoran as divine.
However you must check each claim yourself,study Qoran, and make up your own mind according to your findings.
I speak only for me when I say I have my answer and I am certain Qoran is divine.
Thank you for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
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Hello good logic,
When Jesus said "I am in the father and the father is in me" It does not mean - The father is me?!!!!!!
He meant that he is in the unity of God because there exists nothing other than God and he acknowledged that fact. And I often say that you should stand under His umbrella and thus be part of the family. The other people are lifeless rather than alive. Rather than the sectarian misconception, the purpose is to find merging rather than separation from the God "phenomenon" or you simply do not exist except that you yet believe you do since the test environment was determined to be corrupting and deluding and to make you believe a different way.
I also say "I am in the Father and the Father in me", it is not such a big deal and it is quite commendable actually. The Father parable is a metaphorical elaboration about the meaning of Allah, i.e. "who is as such" and the instruction from Genesis is that we are to be a mirror of God, i.e. He created us (to be) in His image and that is the emphatic linguistic term of elah which simply means "who is".
Please explain/publish/show clearly your Arabic and its meaning so people here are not" perplexed"( Your own word)
If you are still completing your studies( as you keep claiming) ,then please wait until all is ready so we can check your findings properly.
It is a work in progress and it is estimated that it is finished in about seven years, but that does not say I can be around and offer guidance based on what I know for those able to step out of their slumber.
I have explained a multitude of words here on this very forum and it should not be so hard to understand, for example, "allah" which I have spent lot of time to explain.
At the moment, I cannot check any evidence from you( you have not provided any- apart from your own interpretation of selected verses from Qoran-)
I am saying this with respect and hoping that you can reflect and see that what you are saying is your opinion,like many of us do at various times.
It is your opinion that it is my opinion, but I argue that it is not my opinion but such that the Arabic language speaks for itself. In the end you can call it God's opinion if you like to be that crude.
Actually the evidence is in what I say, for example when I make a thorough analysis of the word allah presented in front of your very eyes. Other evidence is right in my words that are produced using my fingertips.
A while back we had a conversation about this verse
You claimed the word "Yasaaa"] means "Isaiah". I said this is a verb not a name? and I gave you another similar examplehere
I said the verb means "came"( to deliver a message/something). I explained this verse ie about Moses, Isaiah was not alive/existing at that time according to the chronology of the bible?
This is the beauty of Arabic and the Semitic languages that standard words can either be standard words or they can be names. You can also use Yesua/Isa's name (the "Spiritiualizer" or whatever kind of structure in English you should make of it) and form a standard word using the language. Musa's name can also refer to diamond or jewelry or "the object with which you inscribe in stone"; you can refer to an ancient lexicon to verify this relatively easily, but you could probably also interpret it as "the one who make statutes" (due to the inscribing definition). Musa's name does not always refer to him as person but sometimes not, and that is true also for Isaiah.
Quran is a smart scripture and takes the emphasis away from the physical persons but rather speaks of their spiritual affinity. If their names are used the context usually speaks of what they usually stand for by the literal meaning of their "names" (in this language family/tradition words used for names have utterly descriptive usage describing features of their perceived function/personality/lifestyle/destiny/fate). Rabb is also used as a "name " in Quran (see "ya Rabb", but several times it does also refer to the same phenomenon as I spoke about in this very same paragraph, i.e. speaks of function/destiny (etc) and Rabb is literally saying "providing sustenance/foundation".
Yes'ayue is the proper pronunciation of because you need to follow the usage of letters in formation. That is exactly the famous person Isaiah's traditional pronunciation.
The reason why you believe this is not Isaiah is because of all the nonsense you have been fed until now, and probably accept yourself to continue to be fed since you do not accept my elaborations. And you do not have to accept anything and I do not owe you anything for that sake either. In fact I respond to you as a courtesy since everyone is eligible of enlightenment and it is not my decision to make who gets to hear. If what I provide you does not avail you then you can just disregard what I write and continue with what you are doing, it is you who elicited a response. Fortunately this is a public forum and even if you reject this there is a multitude of other people who have the chance to acknowledge the same and make their own personal evaluation.
Be safe
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Peace Man Of Faith.
I do not believe you are insisting " Yasaa"in that verse means Isaiah?! This is nonsense.
Common brother, this is bordering on ridiculous. You are just insisting on your ways even when wrong?
Would you agree that Isaiah did not exist when Moses was alive? He came after Moses!!!
How can you say others are believing nonsense?
I do not believe you are arguing this point? Why?
People will not take you seriously if that is the case. You are creating your own "Arabic language"!!!You also say,quote
If what I provide you does not avail you then you can just disregard what I write and continue with what you are doing, it is you who elicited a response. Fortunately this is a public forum and even if you reject this there is a multitude of other people who have the chance to acknowledge the same and make their own personal evaluation.Are you saying there are people who agree with you on your "Isaiah" translation?
Well, it is up to you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Hello good logic,
I do not believe you are insisting " Yasaa"in that verse means Isaiah?! This is nonsense.
Common brother, this is bordering on ridiculous. You are just insisting on your ways even when wrong?
I doubt you read my post in its entirety. I said that words can either refer to a person or they can be standard words.
Your transliteration Yasaa is also not correct.
Would you agree that Isaiah did not exist when Moses was alive? He came after Moses!!!
Before you say something you may need to decipher the passages involving such that you criticize and bring the rendition to me. I suggest you research properly rather than just do a wholesale ripoff though.
I have not reached the point where I am translating the passages containing other occurrences of the word Isaiah, but obviously the whole context of 36 clearly has no other explanation than to refer to this ancient prophet. That too considered one of his famous utterances is in it which is that for every sin one will receive it back in its entirety, i.e. what goes around comes around.
I have also discovered that Quran is often written in a cryptic manner, probably to fool hypocrites who attempt to understand it with polluted hearts, especially a Pagan mind.
How can you say others are believing nonsense?
Because any sensible god would not prescribe nonsensical rituals or spit out its hatred because people choose not to believe in the nonsense. It is clear by my work that so is not the case either but that god is invented by some crazy clerics. In fact God teaches us to be empathetic towards those not blessed enough to see and try to help them.
I do not believe you are arguing this point? Why?
People will not take you seriously if that is the case. You are creating your own "Arabic language"!!!That is depending on the perspective and how deluded the person perceiving is. For some people I am discovering what the text really says and another crowd finds I am inventing a language. In fact the Arabic Quran has never been interpreted as intended, hardly not even a single segment of it.
First of all if people even knew the phonology of Arabic they would know that identically matches the pronunciation of Isaiah.
But it does not surprise me because they think that is pronounced Issa but it is pronounced Jesua by pronouncing the letters in formation, pretty much exactly as he is traditionally perceived to be named. That gives a hint at how little the traditional interpreters even knew about what they were committed to interpreting. And you say that I am inventing my own Arabic. Hah. I cannot do something that others have already done, but I could turn things right by wholeheartedly spend a long time unwinding the mess these people caused and then wind it all together as intended by the Author.
Are you saying there are people who agree with you on your "Isaiah" translation?
There are actually probably more people than you think who to various degrees accept what I have discovered during my research and transcendence to a place in the Rabb. Not to sound judgmental, but often people who are insightful enough to realize the traditional interpretations do not add up and search for one that does. Today I am even curious myself how I even remotely could believe those to be sensible once, but the persistent search for answers yielded fruit eventually.
Those who show interest I offer more to, but I try not to throw pearls to swine or what is holy to dogs (no offense, it is a saying), even if I usually am exceedingly generous despite a lack of interest from people around me. I have received word that everyone deserves a chance and to be empathetic and I apply the best of wisdom on that matter. However, my time may occasionally be limited so this is why I have become slightly more selective lately and also moved out of the forum part-time. Perhaps one reason I am fit for this is because I am so very persistent because people surely have done their utmost to discourage me, but if I know I am right I also hang on tight to it. Nowadays I have confidence and confirmation from the Rabb about it so there is no way anyone can do anything about that (even if I obviously can be banned from the forum), and I die only if the Rabb wills.
And now I wrote too much in vain again as usual.
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace Man Of Faith.
Can I ask you a question?
Brother, when you say,quote
Nowadays I have confidence and confirmation from the Rabb about it
Do you mean from the scriptures? Which one?
Thank you.
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Hello good logic,
Nowadays I have confidence and confirmation from the Rabb about it
Do you mean from the scriptures? Which one?
What I did refer to there was that I have firsthand confirmation as per contact with the Rabb. But per that contact I have also received confirmation that my project is completely valid and "on the right track". I also received confirmation that Quran is indeed lacking in interpretation and "Islam is not My religion" (in reference to the sectarian doctrine), and that I had however already proved long before I received such confirmation but yet a confidence boost to hear it.
Scripture-wise I am dealing with Quran and that is this era's scriptural information with instructions on how to fulfill its prophecy. Some information it provides has not been fulfilled previously, such as when in chapter 36 it says
About this you sadly tell them ?It was present, not secret nor manifest, / yet eluded the senses as it was of perfect availability when its clarity was disputed and (it) was revealed about its messages and model of spirituality?. Say ?This is a great revelation and what it unraveled.?
This speaks of what happens right here, right now 2015. Obviously the Author of Quran is God as no one could even remotely get to the point of writing something like this over thousand years ago. The Author also wrote this
This is what is a regard and a proper Testament (Quran) / that spreads after having been prepared and with true expressions that the deluded alluded equivocally to be shaped according to them which deed does not help that blindness so that they manage it.
Besides Quran, the answer to our existence can be found in contemplation and spiritual completion. You can also understand a lot about our existence merely by reading the utterances of Jesua/Jesus.
But Semitic root words have really helped me to vastly improve my understanding of how the World works and knowledge I did previously not know about our existence. A good explanation to it all is in fact in the very word "allah".
Be safe
Amenuel -
Peace Man Of Faith.
When you say,quote
What I did refer to there was that I have firsthand confirmation as per contact with the Rabb. But per that contact I have also received confirmation that my project is completely valid and "on the right track". I also received confirmation that Quran is indeed lacking in interpretation and "Islam is not My religion"
How does this confirmation happen? What sort of contact?
GOD bless you.
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Hello good logic,
Jesus once said "I am in the Father and the Father in me". Reflect upon that, and that I say "I AM".
Be safe
Amenuel -
hello
i just read the post in this forum and i understand the feeling of uniting it's fall and the whole world is finding reasons to group up with like minded peers and to feel that feeling of warmth and connection (holidays being burned into our heads over the years i.e. you smell cookies you want cookies). it's a nice thought but what is our bond in this forum? i'm the self-proclaimed messenger of ALLAH, their are a few jews, maybe a christian or two wanting to say something about church reforms from a thousand years ago (probably weren't any churches then) that is making them wonder why people are worshipping a man-god, and a few others who in their years of atheist searching having gained self confidence in their ability and right to believe whatever they choose to believe (i personally like these people, they remind me of prophet Abraham.)
what connects us in this forum? this is just conversation a person would have on a bus or after a convention
quran only muslims are very few, to be a quran only muslim you need to make numerous exclusions to your social group, verse stating things like if you take jews and chirstians as a friend then you are of them can no be simply taken lightly these are RULES.
another verse states if they believe as you believe then they are of your family if they do not believe then they are simply not of your family (literally abandoning these people as blood no longer)
then their are verse stating have nothing to do with the sectartians (don't even talk to them)
verses proving that ALLAH took abraham as a friend, a kid who was almost killed by his father and his town and people for his atheistic thinkings and actions (destroying their gods).
their is a reason why ALLAh says also "follow the ways of prophet Abraham the SANE in faith for he was not of the pagans (anyone who worships other than ALLAH )
so is anyone in this forum besides me truly a muslim or do you fall from the grace of islam by your simple associations?
also i would like to have a google group but will just end up taking a bunch of vainities (some one will ask about a tv show, someone else will enter the chat like "what up? foolz" and another will bring his personal timings into the chat by going afk and explaining his moms cooking to the chat.)
i don't get many replies to my post on this forum which i like i just want to throw out an idea or a truth from the quran and read replies and agree with them like many of the posters on this board do. we have pretty good closeness on this forum site any way we should expand upon this bond like king abdul-rahaman's library of spain, before a bunch of satanist torched it.
this is general discussion and we speak of more quran issue than the quran and hadith pages so this is pretty good activity and where else can you talk about the creator and share a kind of heart lifting experience? anyone know anyone even at local places of worship who like to talk about this kinds of issues?
let's just expand upon this and not make a chat the chat will make this board even more dead and plus ALLAH commands gratitude for your benefit, it's a nice idea not to insult any one but that's just asking for too much man?
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what connects us in this forum? this is just conversation a person would have on a bus or after a convention
quran only muslims are very few, to be a quran only muslim you need to make numerous exclusions to your social group, verse stating things like if you take jews and chirstians as a friend then you are of them can no be simply taken lightly these are RULES.
You make some very good points fye
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Hello good logic,
Jesus once said "I am in the Father and the Father in me". Reflect upon that, and that I say "I AM".
Be safe
Amenuelare you saying " I think, therefore i am"?
I just read your post he is in the father and the father is in him... is this in a rational sense like keeping the almighty god in mind like "i'm here because he put me here so I should remain aware"?
or are you talking as in a physical (bio-"logic"-al/chemical) thing? I never heard anyone speak clearly of their interpretation of those words
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I just read your post he is in the father and the father is in him... is this in a rational sense like keeping the almighty god in mind like "i'm here because he put me here so I should remain aware"?
You should become aware in God, fully revealing your own Spirit to yourself by removing the fog of the Body and its instinct (satan) and you will feel a different person and very enlightened. You will, for example, know things you did not previously know just like that. The relationship between God and you should be symbiotic and associated and this is what the clerics who interpreted Quran opposed so much they twisted its meaning so much that its motto "la elah ila alah" means "no god than God" rather than "to be Who Is is to be Such as Who Is" as it in truth should be read.
or are you talking as in a physical (bio-"logic"-al/chemical) thing? I never heard anyone speak clearly of their interpretation of those words
I think you have to clarify your question further. The "Father and son and the Holy Spirit" chatter from the past is on Spiritual level, because God created the Spirit of the Soul in His own image and then placed this Spirit in a Body that deludes and makes the Spirit yearn to be it if the Spirit does not restrict him-/herself. The Body and the World is a contradiction to the Spirit and it is a Testing Ground to breed fulfilled clones of God's Spirit, so to say, but the testing is harsh on the Spirit and few will likely make it in the end. Paganism is the primary stumbling block, i.e. to fall due to the hierarchical nature of the Beast to create a clear separate deity as the individual is clear-minded enough to realize there is a phenomenon that can be called God and hence delude themselves even if they have realized there is a "Higher Intelligence". They simply make themselves slaves to the deity despite that the "Higher Intelligence" seeks a symbiotic union with its "Children", i.e. that they are "Who Is as Such". God once said (I have repeated it 9525758252 times) "I am who am I" to Moses and this argument is still valid today. Easily said "You should imitate God in His Spirit and by Spiritual growth you become ascended and God will release you from the Flesh binding because you "bear fruit"".
are you saying " I think, therefore i am"?
When you can think outside the box and separated from instinct and delusion then you are (amenek) "As Such Who Is". (Amenuel means "Who has integrity as Such". The whole thing is to come alive and out of delusion.
Be safe
Amenuel -
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symbiotic like the carnage and vemon spiderman thing?nvm that why are the interpretations so different in the mainstream but yours are very... eitheir in another language or just not word for word translations more like your giving the essence of what is being communicated through words, i find the translations you give interesting but i have not journeyed yet and you've already told me the end.
like you have already looked beyond the translation to the... i guess "truer" meaning and i'm reading these things say to myself your translation may be true but i need to discover this point for myself like a dot the original translation then another dot your understanding of the verse, you don't really guide with lines just different dots.
i understand what you mean by imitate but we in islam have a verse stating establish ALLAH's handiwork according to the way he has (or something similar).
but this whole be apart of god or have god in you thing is something that's always made me laugh at christianity, yet again in islam we have a verse stating allah blow into adam some of his spirit those we think reason create and teach also we look up. not many animals look straight up or journey to their lord they just survive animal-ly.
but most my interest is in you saving me the journey by explaining a bit more easily how much ALLAH (or as you may say "almighty god" or simply "god" if you see no division) are we to have in us or be one with. i understand it's like an altered state so it my be hard to put in words so you may just have to see things a persons way for a bit. and just with some many adjective can you describe the bond not just on how it makes you feel but more of a chemical and biological idea, like you wake up feeling alive your brain releases more blah blah blah . you would be able to do this from your experience right?
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Hello,
nvm that why are the interpretations so different in the mainstream but yours are very... eitheir in another language or just not word for word translations more like your giving the essence of what is being communicated through words, i find the translations you give interesting but i have not journeyed yet and you've already told me the end.
The project's research is conducted with comprehensive documentation and I obviously work "word-by-word" too. I decipher on three levels; directly with the Arabic script, word-by-word tinkering and reformulation in pure translation. It is time-consuming and the average speed is 4 verses per 8 hours, and it is very common I have to return later and correct things. The slowness is because I do not simply take a connotation that is commonly used but I reevaluate every single word contextually.
The result is not what one may expect, i.e. somewhat following the traditionally derived context but "strangely" enough a different discourse emerges. That is not very far-fetched though, because the traditional work on deciphering the text is beyond all kind of criticism and translations cheated with to somewhat get a coherent discourse because from the beginning it is just an interpretation acrobatics invented by ancient clerics and you do not defend an authentically interpreted text but a facade. People stubbornly argue that it is without contradiction but I find contradiction here and there (e.g. praying birds, God on a throne, coming with angels at the end of days, rituals, rites) with the mainstream ways of understanding the ancient Arabic. The more distance I get to the sectarian improvisation, the more I realize how "Paganly" it is.
I could help you more, but you have to decide yourself what to follow in life. I am not teaching a religion but merely giving suggestions on how to grow spiritually. The number one point is to stop following your Body's whims and desires, learn that the Body of yours is not the real you but beneath it is a "suppressed" Spirit under delusion. "Separate the Spirit from the Flesh" and you will get going. Following religious doctrines with clear separate images of god(s) is a fallacy of the Beast and to never get a higher consciousness and know you were only a slave to a system in the delusion you affected your faith but you actually just followed instinct (satan). The second line of the ancient Decree clearly speaks against the materialization and objectification of god(s), no image, no images means no images, not even for "GOD", but you are within the image, to be a mirror of the image, symbiotically.
I am suggesting something wise.
The Rabb is a 'Higher Intelligence' you can never be above, but you can be fit in His image, assimilated, sharing His qualities. The fit ones are by integrity as "Who Such Is" (allah) in unity. God spoke to Moses "I am who am I". And Jesus said "I am in the Father and the Father in me". God is not a separate phenomenon but should express Himself in you. Absolute Oneness. You do not exist separately from Him. If you do not exist IN Him, you do not exist at all but is classified as "Al-Mowt" in Arabic which means lifeless, and you are a slave to the system as I mentioned earlier and not much different from an animal. You surely are better than that, are you not?
Paganistic sectarian clerics have given a very erroneous portrayal of God's faith. Probably not intentionally but in their own delusion. The human "ape" primitive mind has difficulties comprehending a symbiotic God who exists as "Such Who Is". We think we are so advanced, but people cannot properly grasp this concept. Thinking spiritually and abstractly is the key, not objectively, because to our brain it is impossible to be simultaneously in someone else's consciousness. But if you have a higher conscious awareness then you feel the Rabb's presence within you at the same time "as you are". Quite amazing, is it not?
i understand what you mean by imitate but we in islam have a verse stating establish ALLAH's handiwork according to the way he has (or something similar).
Yes. You should imitate God in the way He would do things. He would especially not do things with a primitive human mind's point of view. We have to reflect carefully upon what God would actually do in a similar situation.
but this whole be apart of god or have god in you thing is something that's always made me laugh at christianity, yet again in islam we have a verse stating allah blow into adam some of his spirit those we think reason create and teach also we look up. not many animals look straight up or journey to their lord they just survive animal-ly.
What is pathetic with Christianity is that Jesus would be a son of God in the Flesh like God is a kind of "man on the moon". Jesus was not the Rabb but he was IN the Rabb, symbiotic. The word symbiotic may not have existed 1500-2000 years ago, but they may have used Wahed/ahad, i.e. (in) 'unity'. His "sonhood" was spiritually, referring to his Spirit as "totally synchronous" with God and merged in assimilation. If he was born "son of God" it would imply that he was born already with his link established with the delusion men usually have being diminished.
In the Biblical Gospels, Jesus speaks of every person as a possible daughter or son of God; he often speaks about "children of the Father" and that people can be like that. He does not say he is some kind of exclusive "son of God". The then contemporary Pharisee clerics heavily opposed that because they had a mindset very similar to our Muslim friends, i.e. that no one can associate themselves with God and that led them to heavily persecute him, closely monitoring him in case they could catch him for some reason. He taught every person "to be". If people can read the Biblical Gospels for what they are, they are decent guidance actually. But Quran is more comprehensive and elaborates on what Jesus ever said, in a way that you feel they are God's authentic words.
You are right in your extract of what God did to Adam (our species - in Persian you still use Adam to refer to our race). God blew His Spirit into the Adam albeit a blank soul and placed in a harsh "Testing Environment" that is corrupting as to choose the best of what becomes of them, those Spirit "clones".
but most my interest is in you saving me the journey by explaining a bit more easily how much ALLAH (or as you may say "almighty god" or simply "god" if you see no division) are we to have in us or be one with. i understand it's like an altered state so it my be hard to put in words so you may just have to see things a persons way for a bit. and just with some many adjective can you describe the bond not just on how it makes you feel but more of a chemical and biological idea, like you wake up feeling alive your brain releases more blah blah blah . you would be able to do this from your experience right?
Despite that many people perceive my teachings as very unnecessarily complicated, they are very much simpler than doctrinal Islam, people just have problems comprehending due to the slightly esoteric nature and their prejudices. It is also unbelievable for many people how Quran could have been such as deception and they find what I have run into as having no basis. I have faith that the Quran interpretation results will speak for themselves to such extent that people will realize it is actually the original conveyance as per God.
Also the intricacy of the Lore of God is not 100% necessary to know as long as a person knows
And then tell that your Sustainer made for the Ruler a contradiction in the World by telling that this was made to be corrupting and to persistently consume you and the fit to succeed have your praiseworthiness and are as pure as you. Say that this is to learn what has not been taught?
? And teach there is for every Persistent (Adam) a ?Door? each, because they widen to inspire unto the Ruler insight flowing out of the ?Door? if you become blessed.
Indicating your success is such being aware of that which you were not aware of that you are wisely aware.
Inspire, O Persistent (Adam), giving insight to them about their ?Door? such thereof which does give them insight about their ?Door?. Inspire thereof inspiration from you about awareness of the secret of ?The Doors? and the World and learn what is not manifest and so that you are not restrained.
And it was once inspired that the Ruler accept Persistence (Adam) to accept to be confounded from his/her Father and have to grow and become deluded.
And it was inspired, O Persistence (Adam), that you reside bound to the body and everyone from its offspring spread by copulation and the kindred of such one to avert becoming evil / are cutting off its instinctive drive to clear them from not becoming it. And it was inspired to break away separating yourselves to separated pass along and those of you will have an explanation of the World and preserve his/her sanity / to experience Persistence (Adam) of Sustainer?s exertions of His/Her/Its qualities that he/she has such as the quality of absoluteness.
You asked for my translations, so here you have translations from 230 - 237. Because the ancient interpreters with the verse system were so totally lost in their understanding, they often even cut clauses in half, so I preferred to keep clear segments instead.
(you will probably notice that Quran is an instruction to hold lectures about God)
I think God's own words rather than mine tells you about "the experience" you ask me about. You will probably realize that Quran is very open-ended however, leaving it to the insightful lecturer to elaborate as according to the given model. The wise one will not follow a manuscript too much but keep the lecture very alive and pedagogical, giving explanations to whatever is necessary about the topic at hand.
or as you may say "almighty god" or simply "god" if you see no division
If I am speaking in Arabic I would refer to Rabb (Foundation-Giver literally). Allah is a conditional "Such Who Is". God is a fan of spectacular linguistic use as to fool the hypocrites. Children of Israel is another "code name", "Children of the Chief", anyone entitled by spiritual affinity can label themselves as such.
Be safe
Amenuel -
question though where you speak of contradictions
" People stubbornly argue that it is without contradiction but I find contradiction here and there (e.g. praying birds, God on a throne, coming with angels at the end of days, rituals, rites) with the mainstream ways of understanding the ancient Arabic. The more distance I get to the sectarian improvisation, the more I realize how "Paganly" it is."
do you account for things like slang and common sayings for the time?
like when pigs fly, or the bees-knees?
during those times they had the saying "when a camel can go through the eye of a needle" but, of course, there isn't a camel going through the eye of a needle but yet again these a progressive words then there is the hereafter, imagination, and dreams where these things may actually happen yet there are bounds to these sayings like even a gaint needle would have a tiny point being a needle because that's what makes it a needle yet you can't just say when a camel can pass through the point of my blade or raiper because the definition does not grantee a sharp point and i don't know if anyone have invented needle point sharpers let alone needled point covers whcih again would not be the eye.what makes you consider these things pagan? do they reference multiple gods or just strange rituals? i know it's in no way fair that i ask you for more information then your willing to give it's your work and i should probably get a few books and take a few classes and learn myself what i ask you
things like ALLAH setting his throne over the seas are just made plainly for simply people to understand a throne being a seat of power while something like a crown would be a legacy of kingship (i think the word is monarchy).
also i get what you mean by he was in the rabb (lord and cherisher, ALLAH) he was a word form ALLAH their for he came from ALLAH. i get it now. i'm also reading as i reply. but being a son or daugther of a non-human being is a bit... i think the message is being made easy for the simple minded again, that's how one could explain it to a child and also hasve you though of how these simple minded people would grow from what they were taught but jesus?
i'm not sure what you believe or how you choose to interpret but please remember the simple-minded even your reply has a few words i missed on the sat or act (american highschool examination test).
recall to verse one repeatative, surely we have made the quran easy to understand and remember so will any recieve admonition?
also there is a verse speaking of people who seek out deeper meanings in the quran, becareful not to mislead people they have their own journeys of knowledge and their own capacity.
peace and thanks for the explaination and sorry for the spiderman joke thing i get what your saying know we must be aware of these bond also jesus bond being higher than ours because he is without father also prophet adam, and there is much more to this. thank you man of faith.
name well earned.
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i've had my faith increased by this
other idea for this forum board to become more active is a site where you can connect two different forum board from two different sites. a dual web page is a future-istic ideal but maybe if we could make or find a site where people from other sites could debate in teams with 24/7 post monitors and a meter for each teams post.
2 hours to come up with a reply or argument, then a judge reviews it and allows the post then the other team replies, then like an e-bay auction it has a time limit of say 8 hours or so and the winner is announce after a review.
it sounds like it would be fun and it could be a pay to play deal to keep away people who are not serious but i don't have the skills to creat a page yet or care much to make this happened.
just an idea on how quran alone muslims can connect with each other and sorry to lead away from the original subject
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Hello fye,
do you account for things like slang and common sayings for the time?
You do not make a formal writing with slang or an overwhelming amount of colloquial language.
But there occurs language such as "turn back on heels", but I suppose anyone could understand that. The Author did not add anything which people could not understand at any time in history and future.
during those times they had the saying "when a camel can go through the eye of a needle" but, of course, there isn't a camel going through the eye of a needle
That saying can be understood if people could grasp its metaphorical meaning. Consider a wealthy man who tries to get through a narrow opening, and the opening to Heaven is so narrow only a light-weight traveler gets through but not big enough for a camel and its rider. Camels were considered expensive property in ancient times.
what makes you consider these things pagan?
The word Pagan has its etymology in "worldliness". It does not matter if it is one god or several gods. It is more about the mentality than polytheism.
also i get what you mean by he was in the rabb (lord and cherisher, ALLAH) he was a word form ALLAH their for he came from ALLAH. i get it now. i'm also reading as i reply. but being a son or daugther of a non-human being is a bit... i think the message is being made easy for the simple minded again, that's how one could explain it to a child and also hasve you though of how these simple minded people would grow from what they were taught but jesus?
They should understand the simplest things that he taught, i.e. "to be one with the Father" and become a "child of the Father". What Jesus taught is not at all complicated, and I elaborate frequently upon what he taught to make the "simple-minded" having an easier time to realize what it was that he liked to convey.
i'm not sure what you believe or how you choose to interpret but please remember the simple-minded even your reply has a few words i missed on the sat or act (american highschool examination test).
I thought how I perceive things is clear from my posts. I am sorry if I use many difficult words.
recall to verse one repeatative, surely we have made the quran easy to understand and remember so will any recieve admonition?
Quran is indeed easy to understand, if people would read it as intended by the Author. There are thorough lectures in it.
also there is a verse speaking of people who seek out deeper meanings in the quran, becareful not to mislead people they have their own journeys of knowledge and their own capacity.
Well, what I say is just what it plainly says, nothing special.
must be aware of these bond also jesus bond being higher than ours because he is without father also prophet adam
We can be like him, no reason to belittle ourselves.
Be safe
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You do not make a formal writing with slang or an overwhelming amount of colloquial language.
But there occurs language such as "turn back on heels", but I suppose anyone could understand that. The Author did not add anything which people could not understand at any time in history and future.
That saying can be understood if people could grasp its metaphorical meaning. Consider a wealthy man who tries to get through a narrow opening, and the opening to Heaven is so narrow only a light-weight traveler gets through but not big enough for a camel and its rider. Camels were considered expensive property in ancient times.
Peace both,
I think we need to be conscious not to mix metaphors as in the English and linguistic sense of the word with the Qur'aan's allegorical/metaphorical/esoteric verses.
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Peace both,
I think we need to be conscious not to mix metaphors as in the English and linguistic sense of the word with the Qur'aan's allegorical/metaphorical/esoteric verses.
It can be difficult to translate an Arabic phrase with a few words into English where the Arabic would have only 3 words then perhaps it could be 7 in English when including all affixes.
This is due to the innate meaning of Arabic letters where they speak descriptively already from within the letters themselves and blossom into words. It is therefore hard to make definitions in a lexicon because the words are like "Be Of Integrity (like)" for amen for example. People in all ages have had problems to translate 'amen', but that is because when you translate it into English you probably have to use more than one word. From a root point of view, amin (ن comes from min (ن which in return come from the root (miim-nun-nun).
Apart from that I do not think I fully comprehended what you liked to convey.
Be safe
Amenuel