Kaba Corruption
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Peace.
I myself do not believe in physical ritual prayer, and relevant threads are already open to discuss this, so I wish not to discuss it here. But as of general interest, I would like to find out exactly what is inside the Kaba in Arabia. A Sunni friend of mine has said that when his father went there on pilgrimage, he saw what appeared to him as belongings of ?sahabah? just by chance when a group of people had the door opened for a short while. What I picked up when my Sunni friend was telling me about what his father saw was that there is strictly limited access to the interior of the kaba in Arabia, which makes me wonder what they have to hide. Anyway, another point I consider is that apparently, as a bearded guy with unjust levels authority on questioning once told me when I was aged 9, the inside of the kaba is only for ?good? people, so only they are allowed to perform their ritual prayers there. So at that age, I just took it, thinking there were specific types of people who walk the earth with ?Good? written on their foreheads. Now I just laugh at myself for thinking like that, because I now wonder what direction those people would be facing! But then again, there are white haired people out there who still believe things like ?wali?s? ?peers?. My parents on the other hand say that it contains the spring of ?zamzam? (?).
I don?t see how any kind of water can be ?holy?, and I am totally against any notion of ascribing some kind of power to this water, especially if the ?Abraham?s Sacrifice? story has been proven false by the God?s words. Besides, if this spring of water really exists, why can?t we see it? It is evident that the sectarians have some kind of phobia for taking photos, but even they have bent their rules to take pictures of the kaba in Arabia, whilst including in their photos the faces of humans (Oh my God, what a sin!), but still they never show photos of this magical spring. Is it because the Arabs haven?t got fool proof technology as yet to create this spring for us all to believe in as a miracle, while believing that Arabia is some kind of ?holy land?? And is it true as some claim that this zamzam water is fed directly through the Saudi domestic water supply?
I personally think that since God has guided us towards monotheism, it would be good to show people that this ?holy? water has in fact no ?holy? source, and this could possibly start to make the sectarians think a bit more about what they want to believe. If anybody has got any ideas as to what this zamzam thing is and what is inside the kaba in Arabia, I would love to hear from you.
Peace.
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Waqas man you killed the Question! Thanks.
I'm thinking, whenever I ask questions quite often I get referred to sites like that of HarunYahya, and some others like the one you have just highlighted. Well I think it might be a decent suggestion to say that we get a few more links going for websites like that. From the main site, we only have access to Quran alone websites, like 19.org. Don't know though.
Anyway, thanks for the site, i'll read it and get back to you.
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Peace.
Spot on my man Beatnik. See thats what I want to know, because if indeed it is an arab conspiracy (which it clearly is having seen the corruption of bukhari and co.), then there's a pretty good chance that the stuff inside the kaba in Arabia is pagan idols etc, and that would be the biggest slap in the face for muslims had it been discovered. And if somehow the contents of the cube are exposed, possibly, more 'muslims' would revert back to God's system of monotheism. Personally, I wouldn't ever really need to go to Arabia on pilgrimage, but knowing the truth of what is inside will definitely make a lot of people change their minds, both in the secatrians and us monotheistic muslims. May the God guide us all to the truth.
Peace.
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See thats what I want to know, because if indeed it is an arab conspiracy (which it clearly is having seen the corruption of bukhari and co.), then there's a pretty good chance that the stuff inside the kaba in Arabia is pagan idols etc, and that would be the biggest slap in the face for muslims had it been discovered.
Here's a question to think about... Does it make a difference what shape or size the 'idol' is?.. or whether it's made of rock, brick or glass? Because the "biggest slap in the face" is the kaaba.but knowing the truth of what is inside will definitely make a lot of people change their minds, both in the secatrians and us monotheistic muslims.
I doubt it will. All they would do is remove the stuff inside, clean it out with some "holy water" and get back to the worshipping. If one bows down to a 40ft cube, it doesn't matter that much if the cube had other mini cubes (or some other shapes) inside it or not. winkRemember, the hindu prostrating to a statue of an elephant in the temple, doesn't believe that the statue is the actual God, but a representation or a focal point to face. Same goes with the cross, the star and pretty much any other symbols/figures used in religion.
Peace! )
EDIT You do know there's a rock on one of the sides of the kaaba that people fight to kiss (to remove one's sins or something roll )...
http//geo.ya.com/travelimages/az-kaaba-bkstone.jpg
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Peace,
It is already ironic and crazy in Arabia, never mind what is in the Kabah, limits have been transgressed there. For example just like when the arabs in the pre-islamic times gave godly attributes to stones and other objects, people are doing that now, to black stones and all sorts of other things. People think that their sins are wiped and they will get to heaven if they touch these things.
The kabah, for the physical salat prayer, would be ok, in my opinion, if it was a simple focal point according to their understanding of Quran. But even that limit has been transgressed, every sunni scholar I meet calls the place Gods House! On TV you can see people literally worshipping the structure by fighting to touch it! They rip the cloth and treasure it and probably sell it for a lot of money to another idiot! The structure is not GOD or GODLY. People trample each other to reach these objects, these objects have great value and are protected. The black stone for example, idol-worship is manifest here, we all know that these objects can do nothing for us yet we see many 'muslims' going crazy over these objects and they carelessy kill their 'brother's and sisters' to get to these objects!
I can't imagine Mohammed or any prophet of GOD behaving in the way the muslims do at the so-called Hajj, the deviation is manifest and the people have reverted back to this idol-worship. Almost a Billion people practise and support such activities where people get hurt and alot of money is gained by the corrupt government, they sold Islam for a cheap price. I think that there will be a punishment very soon, if there isn't things will get worse (if they can get any worse). Divine intervention is needed to fix things, these people will not take heed of the signs.
How can so many people be blind to what seems clear? I was once blind to all this but as soon as I took religion seriously and seek, clarification of things came. Praise be to GOD.
I seriously condemn many of the things that go on in Arabia, they are harming innocent people. It is their own people and their own people don't seem to care, so there isn't much that outsiders can do, only God can sort this out or themselves if they choose to reform.
Nural
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I made a similar thread to this here which you might find interesting.
I agree with all of you btw, but I think sometimes, if people were allowed to see inside the structure, it would have an affect on them. The cube suddenly wouldnt be as mysterious as it is right now, somewhere in a person's mind it'll click that its just a physical structure that isnt holy in any shape or form.
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Peace.
Remember, the hindu prostrating to a statue of an elephant in the temple, doesn't believe that the statue is the actual God, but a representation or a focal point to face. Same goes with the cross, the star and pretty much any other symbols/figures used in religion.
( Their lies and excuses
And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah or (he who) gives the lie to His communications; surely the unjust will not be successful.
And on the day when We shall gather them all together, then shall We say to those who associated others (with Allah) Where are your associates whom you asserted?
Then their excuse would be nothing but that they would say By Allah, our Lord, we were not polytheists.
Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful.
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Peace all,
To answer the title of this thread, the door to the so-called Kaaba is kept locked most of the time and the Saudis only admit inside those very few royals and dignitaries whom they prefer. Thus, even the vast majority of people who idolize the cube stone have no idea about what is inside.
People who actually went inside the so-called Kaaba report seeing the following
- Three pillars
- A table on the side to put items like perfume
- Two lanterns hanging from the ceiling
- The walls and floors are covered with marble
- The upper inside walls are covered with some kind of curtain
I found the following comment by Servant very interesting
The shape of the stone holding metal is very suggestive of the female pudenda; perhaps a sign of its pagan origin in the pre-islamic 'goddess' worship of the Arabs.
We know from pre-quranic archeological evidence that the the stone cube is associated with the cult of Dhu Al-Shaara. A "pre-quranic" Greek manuscript describes Dhu Al-Shaara as the child of a mother goddess (Allat). There is also evidence that Dhu Al-Shaara was the sun-god of the Nabataeans. The Greek manuscript further describes the birth celebrations of Dhu Al-Shaara as culminating with the pagans spinning seven times around the inner sanctuary of the temple. Those birth celebrations took place around the winter solstice.
The so-called Black Stone (it is actually broken pieces of stone tied with a silver strap) is in the corner of the cube facing the winter sunrise.
Thus, the black stone enclosure in the shape of the female pudenda is aligned with the "birth" of the sun-god Dhu Al-Shaara.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace all,
People who actually went inside the so-called Kaaba report seeing the following
- Three pillars
- A table on the side to put items like perfume
- Two lanterns hanging from the ceiling
- The walls and floors are covered with marble
- The upper inside walls are covered with some kind of curtain
Ayman
This is the exact stuff I wanted! However, it could just be some idiots trying to furnish the inside to make it 'God's house'(!) in that case I think they should have a satellite dish so that God can watch sky sports...
Is there any evidence whatsoever of pictures/statues though? Then again, they might be worshipping the pilars, like the people outside it worship the cube!!!
Peace.
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The so-called Black Stone (it is actually broken pieces of stone tied with a silver strap) is in the corner of the cube facing the winter sunrise.
Thus, the black stone enclosure in the shape of the female pudenda is aligned with the "birth" of the sun-god Dhu Al-Shaara.
Like our man Shirlee Homee says...
"The cloud thickens my dear Watson!"
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The shape of the stone holding metal is very suggestive of the female pudenda; perhaps a sign of its pagan origin in the pre-islamic 'goddess' worship of the Arabs.
I don't know why but it only just hit me what a pudenda was! Man these guys are sick! (I thought it was some high tech terminology of an internal organ or summat!)
Peace.
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Salaam,
I must also says that all this focusing on Kaaba is very strange.
But what is really masjid al haram mentioning in the Quran?
Peace
Sis Majidah -
Woz jus woinderin - are there any articles/books which expose the kaba of arabia being the this Godess? I have read something like this somewhere before but I cant remember exactly where. Any help is much appreciated, becuase I've got somebody who is thinking of accepting God alone, who wants to know more about the truth of this kaba.
Thanks in advance.
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Peace all
From Ayman's 'Language Barrier' article we have sufficient evidence that the kaba of arabia has some connection with Dusari, and in Aidid Safar's book we also find convincing evidence of a hindu origin, e.g. panch-maha-yagna = five daily worship. What do you guys think, is either one right, or have the arab's made a mish mash remix?
