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makr and its meaning

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    Yosemite
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    hello
    i just came across a claim that says makr means deceiving, and that makr is not properly translated in all the qurans there exists in the world

    of course a non arabic speaker has shared this information, i'd like to know what arabic speakers know about this

    thank you

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      hicham9
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      The "deceiver" is not an attribute of G-D !

      As for QA , there are two kinds of it . The one that denotes 'scheming' in the 'negative' sense is called " " (see. 3543), an example of this would be Yosef's brethren scheming to get rid of him (129) , in contrast, an example of 'positive scheming' would be the plot of Yosef later on (1276) ... Another ex. would be Abrahem's plan to destroy his community's idols (2157) G-D is The Best of Schemers, Yes! A Plan He has for everything (me included). The main difference between positive and negative scheming seems to lie in its motive (ie. positivity/virtue vs. negativity/vice) ... This is my current understanding, G-D is best acquainted.

      Ps. mkr underwent pejoration, and came to mean 'guile' in modern/post-quranic Arabic.

      Slm

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        Man_of_Faith
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        Depending on how you see it God is indeed a deceiver. The World is called a contradiction and it was made to be corrupting. I think deceiver is full of negativity though and it is more like God put forth a test in order to get results and to not ruin the test acted like the World is all there is and God remaining in the background yet there for the person who finds their true self.

        The nature of God is also not what people usually think. It is a bit more intricate and with a kind of symbiotic presence. There is truth in the Biblical expressions "I am who am I" and "I am in the Father and the Father in me". Quran has similar expressions but they do not come forth due to misinterpretation. The famous 'la elah ila allah' is one of those, when properly deciphered.

        Concerning it can be that the base root is not properly assigned.

        With the word malek I have seen indications that Lam-alif-kaf is the base root and that means "to send forth", like order. As we know malek refers to manage/control. The same could be true for miim-kaf-ra obviously and rather kaf-ra-(ra) alternatively kaf-waw-ra being the base root. Kaf-waw-ra does have definitions in ancient lexicons close to mekr though of "to twist, blind". The quite primitive kaf-ra-(ra) means "to return/go against " and could also mean you do something systematically or repeatedly.

        Be safe
        Amenuel

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          hicham9
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          The qurnic term doesn't necessarily conjure up a negative connotation (on its own), had it been the case, the author wouldn't have added to it (in 3543).

          Ergo., vb. "deceive;" n. "deceit"
          & the attribute "best of deceivers"

          ... mkr underwent pejoration, & came to mean 'guile' in modern/post-quranic Arabic.

          Hope this helps @Yosemite.

          Slm

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