Common misconceptions between the Quran and Hadiths
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Good morning everyone,
I have been recently asking questions arounds to my friends in regards to what they think of the Hadith and whether it should be considered when learning the Quran.
All of them said that it should be considered and is invaluable as it explains things that are hard to understand otherwise.
I,then told them, what about the fact that the Quran claims to be a complete book and no other source should be required.
Some of them made a point that Hadith isn't claimed to be an independent source of Islam; it's simply an invaluable historical record of the life of the prophet(pbuh)
Now my question is what if some of things we do today are as a result of just what the hadith says and not written in the Quran.
if there are such things, can you point them out ?
Thanks
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Good morning everyone,
I have been recently asking questions arounds to my friends in regards to what they think of the Hadith and whether it should be considered when learning the Quran.
All of them said that it should be considered and is invaluable as it explains things that are hard to understand otherwise.
I,then told them, what about the fact that the Quran claims to be a complete book and no other source should be required.
Some of them made a point that Hadith isn't claimed to be an independent source of Islam; it's simply an invaluable historical record of the life of the prophet(pbuh)
Now my question is what if some of things we do today are as a result of just what the hadith says and not written in the Quran.
if there are such things, can you point them out ?
Thanks
i know some people talk about prophecies that are described in hadith, despite the fact that we can't verify if the hadith is genuine or invented, so anything goes in the prophecies we hear
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Thank you for your replies guys.
@wakas, I'll be honest with you. Right now I'm confused and overwhelmed by the amount of information I'm dealing with that my research it's pretty much limited to reading forums and listen to both sides of the stories.
This is one of the reasons I am trying to look at this from the prospective of a person who believes in rules claimed to be from the Quran but never mentioned in it and are followed only as a result of the Hadith.
Right now I am not being able to draw a conclusion as to whether is worse following a hadith along the Quran or just the Quran itself
One side states that Quran can be followed without the Hadith and these books shouldn't be considered.
The other side states that Quran is the book to follow but Hadiths are essentially an invaluable historical record that clarifies things that are otherwise difficult to understand just by reading the QuranI find the second opinion logical as well.
However I want to know if there are common rules that Muslims follow in general,thinking that these are from the Quran,when they have never been stated in the Quran but are present in the Hadith
I wanna see how the Hadith misinterprets the Quranic verse and tries achieve another meaning out of it.
PS What is your view between Sunnah and Hadiths?
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peace NFM,
It's natural to feel somewhat confused and overwhelmed. In fact, early in my journey I felt the same way.
In my view, the most accurate position for a mumin/believer is
We can read/research/learn from any other source (including Traditional Hadith) but The Quran is the word of God and it is the ultimate criterion.Relevant verses
(2920, 3137, 3190-191, 453-4 -we can look to archaeology/biology/physics/history/sciences/philosophy etc)When it comes down to it, we cannot overrule or negate what Quran says by another source.
Many Traditional Muslims will claim Traditional Hadith is a secondary source, its a supplement to Quran, and they may even say they never overrule Quran with Traditional Hadith, but the fact is they do, day in day out. The site I linked you to has plenty of examples you can begin researching.
They often claim "things" in Quran are difficult to understand without Traditional Hadith, but I have never seen anyone bring any example in which this is the case. The only examples they can bring are pathetic, e.g.
Claiming we need irrelevant details, e.g. what is the name of the man Moses killed etc.
Claiming we need details for rituals (e.g. Traditional prayer) when those rituals are not in Quran in the first place (or at least not in the form done by them). In other words, it's a bit like them saying "We need Hadith because our invented rituals are not found in Quran, so how else could we do them?!".But dont take my word for it, ask those people you are referring to, to bring their 5 strongest examples of when we need Traditional Hadith to clarify. Not any 5, their strongest 5. Emphasis on the word "strongest".
If they do come up with anything, post them here.
"Sunnah" simply means precedent/example. It is never used in Quran referring to prophet Muhammad, and in the early days was never an exclusive term applied to him either.
"Hadith" simply means narration/story. It is almost never used in Quran referring to prophet Muhammad, and when it is used referencing him, the use is VERY interesting. See these excellent articleshttp//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Hadith_in_Quran.htm
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm -
Thank you wakas, I have already started looking at the link you sent me. I am only focusing on a couple of misconception, misconception that are not big and scandalous as I would like to start small. For example I am not likely to discuss big issues yet as they require extensive research. I am very likely to start with things such as images,music and maybe the common rules we have about how women should be in Islam.
I will definitely put that question forward and see what result I get.
In regards to your comment about sunnah. I read one comment that made sense to me.
The comment explained how a Sunnah is important and shouldn't be discarded because,unlike the Hadith which can be right or wrong, a Sunnah has been transmitted through the consensus of generations.For example, we do all pray 3 rakath for maghrib and we all agree with that, even though it's not written in the Quran. The fact that every muslim does that is because it has been transmitted generation by generations in the generation up until the point the companions of our prophet(pbuh) were practicing it.
How would you deal with such statement?
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How would you deal with such statement?
By using logic see the fallacies of appeal to tradition / appeal to common practice / appeal to popularity
http//www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/And lastly, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find variance on how many so-called rakah in the alleged Maghrib prayer.
