is music good, good and good .......?

muslims

Not the music itself, I think, but the words used with it does, sometimes. D

I believe words do not cause injustice and cannot be haram, human being cause injustice.

Man_of_Faith

The texts can be immoral.

JavaLatte

Not the music itself, I think, but the words used with it does, sometimes.

YES.

What we do with the music might be forbidden . .

YES.

The texts can be immoral.

YES.

Peace.

muslims

The texts can be immoral.

Our understandings can be immoral. . not the texts.

The texts cannot be forbidden.

For example. . .

And they followed what the devils recited regarding the kingship of Solomon.
Solomon did not reject, but it was the devils who rejected by teaching people magic,
and teaching them what was sent down on the two angels in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot.
They did not teach anyone until they would say
"We are a test, so do not lose faith!"
Thus they teach what can separate between a person and his mate;
but they cannot harm anyone except with the permission of God.
And they learn what harms them and does not benefit them,
and they have known that he who purchases such has no place in the Hereafter.
Miserable indeed is what they purchased with their souls if only they knew!
(2.102)

Is it the text that is forbidden, or practising what the text is saying is forbidden ?

I believe it is practising what the text is saying which is forbidden. . .

Another example, flesh of swine. . . flesh of swine is not forbidden
but it is the act of eating flesh of swine that is forbidden.

Another example, money is not haram. . but the act of taking usury is haram. . .
so , it is the act of taking usury that is forbidden, not the money etc.

ironman

I love to listen music. Would love to compose them too. I mostly listen to instrumental, soundtracks from action video games, such as "God of war", "prince of persia", "dante's inferno", "darksider" etc. They works like coffee when I work. Classical theological songs are also good for me. Indian classic is also good for me. Any good melody is ok for me. I hate the sexual music where you find nothing but sex. I love violin, playing violin notes with D-minor key makes me cry.

Those who think, all musics deviate one from Lord, is a liar and close to devil; I testify it.

When I become sad, I listen to,
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZ7bBaYpcw

And "adonai roi" from psalm 23, zabur. )

HP_TECH

In the name of the God the most gracious the most merciful

26220 He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.
26221 Shall I inform you on whom the devils come down?
26222 They come down on every sinful liar.
26223 They claim to listen, but most of them are liars.
26224 And the poets, are followed by the strayers.
26225 Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26226 And that what they say, is not what they do!
26227 Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.

Music with lyrics is poetry. A form of poetic expression. I think this notion is widely accepted.
And the poets follow them l-ghwna the deviatiors.
Music without lyrics may be fine depending on what you let it inspire
If it puts you in a mood that may incline you to be aggressive, lustful, boastful then abstain.
Does it make you want to jump up and dance?
I still don't know how I feel about dancing but maybe because I have no rhythm
But when I do dance I feel embarrassed like God is watching me and instead of being humbled by His presence I am disregarding for my temporary vain enjoyment (if at all) or expression.

It is a case by case in my opinion and I still wouldn't dare call anything other than what Allah has prescribes as forbidden in the Book, forbidden.
I would avoid it if possible because music with no lyrics can inspire emotions and desires that are not synonymous with your person. ( I have found myself repeating the stupidest things heard on radio, or embarrassing myself doing dance moves that don't fit my person)

In MY case abstaining by personal choice from music has proven tremendously beneficial.
I have calm long car drives, in which I am focused on the road or can plan ahead or think and fantasize
I am not constantly obsessed over musical fads or dances or mindlessly repeating like a drone trendy lines from mundane songs.
Music used to in my old days inspire all kind of negative desires in me
Every time I hear mundane music lately I feel like it strives to raise the same desires once again
So I avoid it.

If others can listen to it and maintain a state of humility before Our Lord and not be inspired to transgress the limits then who I am I to condemn.

Although I will end that even if the music is of a good nature, you might still listen to it yearning for some positive inspiration (lyrics) or uplifting if you are feeling down.

In that case why don't you just turn to the Quran?

Timotheus

Music is a blessing from God, music with lyrics remembering God is great, I prefer that our classical music.

I love Sufi music is very relaxing.

All in all I think it's like any blessing it can be and is misused. Especially pop music and gangsta rap, that stuff is painful to listen to.

My musical standard is either music remembering God, or instrumental.

I love the blues and classical, It relaxes me and stimulateS my mind

Music is not forbidden. One of the prophets David was a beautiful musician and poet and what a gift we have in the psalms

Invalid777

Music is a blessing from God, music with lyrics remembering God is great, I prefer that our classical music.

I love Sufi music is very relaxing.

All in all I think it's like any blessing it can be and is misused. Especially pop music and gangsta rap, that stuff is painful to listen to.

My musical standard is either music remembering God, or instrumental.

I love the blues and classical, It relaxes me and stimulateS my mind

Music is not forbidden. One of the prophets David was a beautiful musician and poet and what a gift we have in the psalms

Couldn't agree more.

Jafar

It depends.. this music is very good!
http//www.black-feelings.com/uploads/pics/Emancipate-yourself1431353530.jpg

Now... won't you help me sing.... this song of freedom.....

https//youtu.be/OFGgbT_VasI

HP_TECH

Music is a blessing from God, music with lyrics remembering God is great, I prefer that our classical music.

I love Sufi music is very relaxing.

All in all I think it's like any blessing it can be and is misused. Especially pop music and gangsta rap, that stuff is painful to listen to.

My musical standard is either music remembering God, or instrumental.

I love the blues and classical, It relaxes me and stimulateS my mind

Music is not forbidden. One of the prophets David was a beautiful musician and poet and what a gift we have in the psalms

I wouldn't go as far as calling a prophet a poet.....
3669
And not We taught him poetry, and not it is befitting for him. Not it (is) except a Reminder and a Quran clear

6941
And not it (is the) word (of) a poet; little (is) what you believe!

In fact it was the disbelievers that call prophets poet

5230
Or (do) they say, "A poet, we wait for him a misfortune of time."

3736
And they say, "Are we to leave our gods for a poet mad?"

215
Nay, they say, "Muddled dreams; nay, he (has) invented it; nay, he (is) a poet. So let him bring us a sign like what was sent (to) the former."

Be Careful not to utter that which Allah has sent down for it no authority.
Revelation is not poetry.
Prophets are not poets.

Looking at all these verses related to poetry does it not make you think anything?

tlihawa

Music is good ;D

Not because I'm a musician, but I consider the music is one of the God's signature. It's 12 notes pattern inline with the 19 metonic cycle which describe in Quran.

Quran talks about 19 cycle period related to leap year pattern in luni-solar calendar

7429 A signal <lawwatun> to human beings.
7430 Upon it is nineteen.

7431 And We have made the guardians of the Fire to be angels; and We did not make their prescribed number (of time period) <iddatahum> except as a test for those who have rejected, so that those who were given the Book would understand, and those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that those who have been given the Book and the believers do not have doubt, and so that those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejecters would say "What did God mean with an example such as this?" It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes. And none know the soldiers of your Lord except He; and it is but a reminder for human beings.

Here, you should treat the word 'iddatahum' as cycle of time period. Please check the same word used in 2184, 2185, 3349, 651, and 654 to understand the context.

How's the music inline with the universe

http//www.jewfaq.org/graphics/keyboard.gif

In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations. This calendar, still in use, standardized the length of months and the addition of months over the course of a 19 year cycle, so that the lunar calendar realigns with the solar years. Adar I is added in the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of the cycle. The current cycle began in Jewish year 5758 (the year that began October 2, 1997). If you are musically inclined, you may find it helpful to remember this pattern of leap years by reference to the major scale for each whole step there are two regular years and a leap year; for each half-step there is one regular year and a leap year. This is easier to understand when you examine the keyboard illustration below and see how it relates to the leap years above.

http//www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

Timotheus

I wouldn't go as far as calling a prophet a poet.....
3669
And not We taught him poetry, and not it is befitting for him. Not it (is) except a Reminder and a Quran clear

6941
And not it (is the) word (of) a poet; little (is) what you believe!

In fact it was the disbelievers that call prophets poet

5230
Or (do) they say, "A poet, we wait for him a misfortune of time."

3736
And they say, "Are we to leave our gods for a poet mad?"

215
Nay, they say, "Muddled dreams; nay, he (has) invented it; nay, he (is) a poet. So let him bring us a sign like what was sent (to) the former."

Be Careful not to utter that which Allah has sent down for it no authority.
Revelation is not poetry.
Prophets are not poets.

Looking at all these verses related to poetry does it not make you think anything?

That's all talking about Muhammad. And the Quran.

I think some of the psalms were revealed but also some of them seem to be David's own thoughts. I.e poetry.

It's there something wrong with a prophet also being a poet?
Or any variety of artist?

huruf

The qquestion is not whether a prophet can be also be a poet, the quetion is, if he got revellations from God, or from anybody else, to know clearly which part of what he says is reveltion and which part is not.

AAnd what is not proper is that he should insert his own ideas o occurrencs in the revelations. He should keep them separate and transmit clearly what God orders himor her to transmite as God's word, where it starts and where it ends, not mixing anything from him in it.

Tht is the case of the Qur'an. Whatever the prophet Myhammad may have said in his life, the Qur'an is transmitted in its integrality as revelation from God.

That is a thing that some people keep mixing up when speaking about setting the bible and the Qur'an on the same footing.

Salaam

Timotheus

The qquestion is not whether a prophet can be also be a poet, the quetion is, if he got revellations from God, or from anybody else, to know clearly which part of what he says is reveltion and which part is not.

AAnd what is not proper is that he should insert his own ideas o occurrencs in the revelations. He should keep them separate and transmit clearly what God orders himor her to transmite as God's word, where it starts and where it ends, not mixing anything from him in it.

Tht is the case of the Qur'an. Whatever the prophet Myhammad may have said in his life, the Qur'an is transmitted in its integrality as revelation from God.

That is a thing that some people keep mixing up when speaking about setting the bible and the Qur'an on the same footing.

Salaam

Yes I agree but does the Quran ever say the psalms or zaboor was revealed by God?

To my knowledge it says 'we revealed to Moses and Jesus and WE GAVE David the psalms' or something similar.

I am not sure that the Quran calls the psalms a revelation. Although I could be wrong.

huruf

The question in this case is whether what is puported in the bible to be this or that is the same thing tht the Qur'an speaks of. All we know is that something was given to dawood, but what and its contents is, again, something else. The Qur'an does not say, but that is precisely the reason the Qur'an was revealed, to serve as a contrast so that we know what is from God nd what is not. If it matches what the Qur'an says, it is, if not it is not. That is the propr way, the other things should match the Qur'an and not, as has been done and i being done all the time, match the Qur'an to othr things, mainly the bible, taking the latter as the basis for the Qur'an and not th other way around.

Salaam

reel

Just like bad words, there are bad songs. But that does not mean music itself is bad. Quran doesn't prohibit listening to it. I consider the following to be bad
Black metal Not all of it is bad. However, most songs from it contain violent words about Christianity and some are homage to satan. Why be entertained by something that bashes a religion aimlessly? As for satan, that doesn't need explanation.
Gangsta/sexual rap Because they promote criminal lifestyle. By the way, I don't even consider rap to be music.

At the end of the day, words should be looked into to understand whether a song is listenable. I myself is heavily focused on lyrics. I am into metal and gothic, but would always avoid any song that refers to satan or contains pagan chant. Music has all kinds of benefits. You can actually memorize class notes by <a href="http//www.afidated.com/2015/04/bizarre-exam-preparation-techniques.html">singing</a> them. It can also relax the mind.

Study

Old topic, I know.

Just wanted to clarify for others who may still read.

1059 Say "Have you seen what God has sent down to you from provisions, then you have made some of it forbidden and some lawful?" Say "Did God authorize you, or do you invent lies about God?"

732 Say "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.

You can't make unlawful something that wasn't forbidden by God.
Of course insults and stuff aren't acceptable through music.
Just like smoking isn't helal because smoking is never mentioned in the Quran.
We know it is unhealthy, and we know that we have to take care of our bodies and not inflict ourselves harm.

No where in the Quran does it say that music is haraam.
It is one of the nice things of earth, even animals sing and enjoy this gift.

Timotheus

Old topic, I know.

Just wanted to clarify for others who may still read.

1059 Say "Have you seen what God has sent down to you from provisions, then you have made some of it forbidden and some lawful?" Say "Did God authorize you, or do you invent lies about God?"

732 Say "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.

You can't make unlawful something that wasn't forbidden by God.
Of course insults and stuff aren't acceptable through music.
Just like smoking isn't helal because smoking is never mentioned in the Quran.
We know it is unhealthy, and we know that we have to take care of our bodies and not inflict ourselves harm.

No where in the Quran does it say that music is haraam.
It is one of the nice things of earth, even animals sing and enjoy this gift.

Nowhere in the Quran does it say that smoking is haram.. let me emphasize a point you made...

You can't make unlawful something that wasn't forbidden by God.

then you go on to presume to make something unlawful that God has not..

Peace..

HP_TECH

Nowhere in the Quran does it say that smoking is haram.. let me emphasize a point you made...

You can't make unlawful something that wasn't forbidden by God.

then you go on to presume to make something unlawful that God has not..

Peace..

To inhale smoke from cigarettes(which besides tobacco contain several toxins and harmful chemicals), or marijuana is to consume intoxicants. These alter your physiological state, some in a varying degree from others and are harmful to you in various ways.
Allah tells us to avoid intoxicants so we may succeed.

Peace

Timotheus

To inhale smoke from cigarettes(which besides tobacco contain several toxins and harmful chemicals), or marijuana is to consume intoxicants. These alter your physiological state, some in a varying degree from others and are harmful to you in various ways.
Allah tells us to avoid intoxicants so we may succeed.

Peace

Our lord, in fact says
2219

my interpretation
they are asking you regarding the intoxicants, Say in them both is a great sin, and benefits to the human beings, but sin of them both is greater than the benefit of them both.

590

my interpretation (i dont know some of theese words)
oh you who trust in god completely, only(?) the intoxicants, and the gambling, and the fixed portions, and the arrows(raffling?/divining? arrows) are an impurity of the satans doing, so all of you avoid it, so you may be successfull

a few points on this..

this translation is my own limited understanding, and i would encourage people to verify things for themselves, and also share any better understanding they have with me
the innama in this verse, in my knowledge means 'only' although, it can have different meanings depending on its grammatical context, so i will, if god has willed, have to check this.
i think that 'fixed portions' is a good translation, considering the root, and also considering the context of god mentioning in the quran that people define fixed portions of meat of certain animals, and forbid such and such etc, and god was disapproving of this. though again, i have limited knowledge. in regards to the arrows, i dont know this word, i will have to look into it, but i feel as if it is talking of raffling food?
the first one is talking specificaly about 2 definite intoxicants it seems, as they are definite, and in my understanding, and seemingly the only fit with the context, they are later mentioned with a dual object pronoun, which means there is two of them. (beer and wine prehaps? i am not familiar with the culture at the time)
what/who are we to avoid? in my understanding of the grammar of this, it is saying we are to avoid the work of the satan.

I agree, we should avoid intoxicants. i think we should take gods words on face value though, as much as possible, and not distort them. i.e

God tells us to avoid 'the work of satan' not alcahol, or music or anything else.
God also tells us that 2 certain intoxicants are more sinful, or a greater sin, than a benefit.

beyond that, it is up to us to, god willing, follow his guidance as to how to apply theese verses in other areas or to things that are not directly covered by it.

let us also not forget, god sends his messengers to people, speaking in their language, theese people had a clear understanding of what intoxicants he was talking about
and also we cannot attribute things to god that are not true. and i think we should try our best to represent every argument in the best possible way, because if we say 'god tells us to avoid alcahol' but it in fact does not, but rather tells us to avoid the satans work, then i think this can lead to people not wanting to believe other things we say, or not being as accepting of something which may be a true, and solid argument

Peace