Jonah's whale! and was it a whale?
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Peace be upon you Arnold,
Seas do part nowadays, tidewinds are natural phenomena that occur everywhere on earth every so often, they are unpredictable, and so the miracle with Moses was that he and his people were led to a part of the red sea where this was occuring, that they were at the exact spot at the exact time is the miracle, a miracle through revelation, but the splitting itself is no miracle. Just a rare natural phenemona...
I did a search for Tide Winds but I found nothing. Is there a sight you could refer for this? I tried blowing in a bowl, and I had to blow very hard to produce any effect. They would have been blown through the air worse than a hurricane.
Lastly, I am still unsure as to how you decided it was the Red Sea.
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Peace,
Idolfree, in 2018 Moses saw the stick turn into a snake while being in the 'valley of Tuwa', Tuwa meand wrapped within, and valley refers to a path hidden between two high points, so he saw this happening in 2018 as a forbode. Asa refers to unity, as asa means stick because the fingers unite on its handle. The other most important meaning of Asa is people/nation, and so the stick resembled his people which will be free and move again just like the snake. But this he saw in a state of revelation, while talking to God, so this was a vision. The biggest mistake people have made is translating all the asa's mentioned with Moses as stick, which is wrong.
In all the other verses it refers to conviction, truth, people and willpower.As for 'destiny', i also believe God has planned things, but we must be carefull to hang on to fatalism. I recommend reading this book if yiu haven't already, it is a great read on this subject
http//www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/kt/KT.htm
And for the tidewinds, you cannot find everything on the internet. I will send a PDF to you of the scanned chapters.
Peace bro
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Peace be upon you Arnold,
Idolfree, in 2018 Moses saw the stick turn into a snake while being in the 'valley of Tuwa', Tuwa meand wrapped within, and valley refers to a path hidden between two high points, so he saw this happening in 2018 as a forbode.
I disagree. We are told that he was in the valley wrapped with because the journey we are taking is an INWARD journey. That is why Musa was told to remove his shoes, there was no physical traveling required.
Asa refers to unity, as asa means stick because the fingers unite on its handle. The other most important meaning of Asa is people/nation, and so the stick resembled his people which will be free and move again just like the snake.
I disagree. The discussion is about Musa's stick and it is a metaphor for Musa's philosophy, which when asked about his stick he said "I lean on it and guide my sheep and other uses". The stick was hard and rigid, like a heart that is hardened towards truth. The God changed it from that condition in order for Musa to change his philosophy. Its like hard clay geting rain(revelation) so it softens up and can be reshaped.
But this he saw in a state of revelation, while talking to God, so this was a vision. The biggest mistake people have made is translating all the asa's mentioned with Moses as stick, which is wrong.
In all the other verses it refers to conviction, truth, people and willpower.I have all the verses as stick which is a metaphor for philosophy.
As for 'destiny', i also believe God has planned things, but we must be carefull to hang on to fatalism. I recommend reading this book if yiu haven't already, it is a great read on this subject
http//www.tolueislam.com/Parwez/kt/KT.htm
I will check it out.
And for the tidewinds, you cannot find everything on the internet. I will send a PDF to you of the scanned chapters.
Thanks.
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Peace be upon you Arnold,
Idolfree, in 2018 Moses saw the stick turn into a snake while being in the 'valley of Tuwa', Tuwa meand wrapped within, and valley refers to a path hidden between two high points, so he saw this happening in 2018 as a forbode.
I disagree. We are told that he was in the valley wrapped with because the journey we are taking is an INWARD journey. That is why Musa was told to remove his shoes, there was no physical traveling required. )
That is what i meant, but i see i forgot to explain it..to busy with other things ) we agree on this..
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Peace be upon you,
I was reading something the other day and it was explained to me that pigs and fishes are the two hardest animals to influence. This furthers my understanding that the metaphor of Jonah was about his emotion(animals personify the animating principle-emotions). It was a big fish becaus it was a big/strong emotion that caused him to be placed UNDER WATER.
Water is also a symbol for the subconcious, which is where are emotions work on us. Emotions knock us around like the waves of the ocean. What we strive for is to become awake/conscious so that we can direct our emotions, not be ruled by them.
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and in arabic, any thing which live in water is called fish(Al-Hut). and translator have translete it into a whale.
give me a break, iltaqama mean swallow, dont change meaning of this word just becuse to show that you are right. thats word iltaqama is used in ayah not the word laqm.Quran 2187
Literally Dhun-nun means "the man of the fish"more on that at http//www.tafseercomparison.org/study6A.asp?TitleText=Study%206A%20Yunus%20(a.s.)
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and in arabic, any thing which live in water is called fish(Al-Hut).
Agreed.
and translator have translete it into a whale.
Because of blindly following the Bible. The Quran is the Furqan, it would not repeat stories, it tries to show the real story.
give me a break, iltaqama mean swallow, dont change meaning of this word just becuse to show that you are right. thats word iltaqama is used in ayah not the word laqm.
Laqm is the rootword, thus determines the meaning. It means rather take a small bite or piece in the mouth and then it could be swallowed. But it does not mean to swallow something in whole.
Quran 2187
Why put the fish stomach between brackets? Because it is not in the verse but an interpretation. There is a much more logical interpretation of the story. But to each its own.
In 2187 zoeloemat means calamities or distress. That it also refers to darkness is because the human is not able to find his way out of the distress and harm, and by thus is wandering in darkness. It is important to know the whole background of Arabic words to understand these verses. So by no means at all does the darkness refers to being inside a belly of a fish, which is also impossible as any belly contains acid. The darkness refers to the distress of the situation. See Tafseer by Muhammed Asad.
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Peace Arnold and everyone,
Explanation of the Arabic used
Jonah was never swallowed by a fish, as EVERY fish known on earth will have to bite you in pieces before he can swallow you.
The word iltaqama doesn't only mean to swallow, it comes from the same root as laqm which means a small bite or little piece, iltiqama means he took him in his mouth/grabbed him in his teeth, as for example iltaqama fa-ha-fi-l-taqbil means he took her lips in his mouth during kissing. These verses are totaly distorted by the Biblical account.
Allegorical approach
Muhammed Asad's explanation of the verses
whereupon the great fish swallowed him, for he had been blameworthy.
(143)
And had he not been of those who extol God?s limitless glory, (144) he would indeed have remained in its belly till the Day when all shall be raised from the dead (145) but We caused him to be cast forth on a desert shore, sick as he was, (146) and caused a creeping plant to grow over him .
[I.e., to shade and comfort him. Thus, rounding off the allegory of Jonah and the fish, the Quran points out in the figurative manner so characteristic of its style that God, who can cause a plant to grow out of the most arid and barren soil, can equally well cause a heart lost in darkness to come back to light and spiritual life.
Interesting post. It seems that there are some verses in english translations of the Quran regarding messengers, which have been mistranslated and misinterpreted. I wonder why there are no miracles in the stories of most of the messengers in the English translations of the Quran? Why are there are there only miracles in the stories of Moses, Isa, Zechariah, Joseph Solomon, Jonah, Saleh and Mary? Why are there no miracles in the stories of Abraham, Noah, Jacob, David, Shuayb, John the Baptist, Lot, Aaron, Isaac, Ishmael, Hud, Luqman, Dhul-Qarnayn or Muhammad? I think that these questions are worth pondering upon.
I don't have a problem in believing in miracles. But I think that it is important to question traditional understandings of the Quran. Because they might be wrong. Unfortunately, a lot of traditional understandings of the Quran are based on non-quranic sources (e.g. the Bible). Also, many understandings of the Quran are based on Hadith. From my understanding of the Quran, the Quran explains itself. Hence it seems that we don't need non-quranic sources like the Bible or Hadith to understand/explain the stories of messengers/apostles in the Quran.
Some muslims and christians think that the miracles of the messengers = unexplained natural phenomena. Are they right or are they wrong? This question is worth pondering upon, in my opinion.
Perhaps there are miracles in some stories in the Quran (e.g. Josephs ability to interpret dreams). And perhaps there are some stories in the Quran which have no miracles (e.g. Abraham and the resurrection of birds).
Many people people think that there is a miracle in the story of Abraham. But to me, it seems that there is no miracle in the story of Abraham. In my view, the story of Abraham and the birds have a natural explanation (see verse 2260 in Muhammad Asad's translation of the Quran).
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Misjudgment by Male Whale saves Yunus alahissalam.
Know the fact; Yunus was performing assignment as one of the sent Messengers;
When on assessing complete unresponsiveness he abandoned-absconded-ran; after walking away from his nation in the state-grip of heightened feeling of anger-heavy heartedness, towards the already embarked-Laden Ship, ready to sail. .
Thereby, because of heightened feeling of anger and running he became weak-dehydrated-haggard. Resultantly, he was in the state of slipped ones/loosing hold of feet falling into the sea.
Thereat, for reason of having slipped and fallen in Sea, certain male Whale made effort and swallowed him whole, while he was in sluggish state awaiting and expecting help for rescue.
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Misjudgment by Male Whale saves Yunus alahissalam