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Please help me to understand these two verses

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    NielsJacob
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    Peace
    I have two verses I cant understand correct.

    1. 31.34 With God is the knowledge regarding the Hour. And He sends down the rain, and He knows what is inside the wombs. No soul knows what it may gain tomorrow, nor does any soul know in which land it will die. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.

    Is this true? What if you are close to die. May you not know in which country you?r going ti die?
    Okay maybe you cant be 100% sure, but when you are lie and taking the last breath, I think you know, or?

    1. 32.3 Or do they say "He fabricated it!" No, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn a people who never received a warner before you, in order that they may be guided.

    Here it must be the bringer of the Quran (Muhammed) the text is about.
    Is it true that there wasn?t send a warner to this people. I thinking What about Abraham, wasn?t he there before?
    Or maybe he wasn?t a warner

    I hope I can get some help to understand these two verses.

    God bless

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      Bender
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      Peace
      I have two verses I cant understand correct.

      1. 31.34 With God is the knowledge regarding the Hour. And He sends down the rain, and He knows what is inside the wombs. No soul knows what it may gain tomorrow, nor does any soul know in which land it will die. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.

      Is this true? What if you are close to die. May you not know in which country you?r going ti die?
      Okay maybe you cant be 100% sure, but when you are lie and taking the last breath, I think you know, or?

      Hi,

      red the word used is "arth" and that does not mean country.

      1. 32.3 Or do they say "He fabricated it!" No, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn a people who never received a warner before you, in order that they may be guided.

      Here it must be the bringer of the Quran (Muhammed) the text is about.
      Is it true that there wasn?t send a warner to this people. I thinking What about Abraham, wasn?t he there before?
      Or maybe he wasn?t a warner

      I hope I can get some help to understand these two verses.

      God bless

      In your explanation you are assuming a couple of things. Maybe one or more assumptions need a update.

      Salaam,
      Bender

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        NielsJacob
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        Peace bender

        1. So how should we understand 32.34 "arth". I see that the word is translated "earth".

        Has the meaning to to with the situation before you are born or how?

        In your explanation you are assuming a couple of things. Maybe one or more assumptions need a update.

        I think I?m correct about Muhammed. If we read the verse in the context I can?t see it other way . About Abraham I?m not sure. But if he wasn?t there then he also didnt make the Kabaa.

        Please tell me what you think.

        Yes thats true. I think I

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Ardh means visible foundation or to make easier "what is visible". Everything visible is Ardh. We can perhaps call it world in English.

          Be safe
          Amenuel

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            good_logic
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            Peace NielsJacob.

            My understanding of 3134

            GOD is very precise with His words, Notice how He said in this verse GOD knows the hour( End time) ,He also knows the content/s of the womb, He sends the rain( I.e these three things might also be known by us humans, if GOD chooses to reveal this knowledge to us. And of course in this day and age Science can predict both what is in the womb and the weather! GOD did not say we cannot know these things.

            However we can never know the future (for sure) ,we can guess. . As for "Ard" GOD just means the time and place. Even if one is sentenced to prison for the rest of their life, one can never be sure they die there? There could be a transfer,a fire ...etc. One can never tell for sure!!! GOD said we can never know for sure where and when we die!!!

            My understanding of 323

            This could apply to any generation with any messenger. GOD is simply saying we did not send any warner to the people presently living at the time of the messenger. This verse does not mention any people /generation before or after.

            GOD bless you.
            Peace.

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              NielsJacob
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              Peace good logic

              Thanks a lot.

              That make sense.

              God bless you.

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                imrankhawaja
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                Peace NielsJacob.

                My understanding of 3134

                GOD is very precise with His words, Notice how He said in this verse GOD knows the hour( End time) ,He also knows the content/s of the womb, He sends the rain( I.e these three things might also be known by us humans, if GOD chooses to reveal this knowledge to us. And of course in this day and age Science can predict both what is in the womb and the weather! GOD did not say we cannot know these things.

                .

                Peace.

                on the other hand... another understanding and study of medical science,,, is telling us when the process started of pregnancy... i mean in first week ,,, or let say first day when the process start,,, even in this age of tecnology no body and no machine find out what is there,,, untill the 3rd or 4th month i think so,,, tecnology still very far behind,,, becoz 500 years ago there was experts in this field who guess after the pregnancy of three fouur or 6th month that kid is male or female,,, with respect to that its just another advance form of knowledge ,,, but still we are far behind from Godz calculation,,,,

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                  imrankhawaja
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                  and about the hour(ending time)...

                  its same like a movie maker can rewind forward start end he can see... thats what Allah is saying but with different format ...

                  suppose Allah say,,, Allah know what happen to you in this world(life) and what will happen to you hereafter....

                  but point to be noted ,,, he can see this simultaneously,,, he can see ending and start in same time ,,,wheras a movie maker cannot see the ending and starting of movie in same time,,,, so we are far far behind,,,, for a movie maker he faced a lot of troubles to making his movie,,, wheras this drama of life what God made ,,, he perfected it,,, and allah feel no fatigue in preserving and gaurding them,,, imagine every single second on this planet 7 billion vioices actions even thoughts are recorded by ALllah z power,,, and at the same time he hear the call of every single person who call him,,,,

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                    ALLAH is also the decider of all things as well you have two possible answers yes or no, am I going to die today? yes or no. your confusing comes from you expecting more answers than the question you pose requires to be answered. take your time and listen to the verse. ALLAH has knowledge of the hour(the when) man is a creature of haste always faster and faster, he sends down rain from the sky. consider your government they pose bills and laws, a system of rules like a water cycle , Almighty god has set up these systems to send down reign and rain, your question about these verses should be more like when does this occur, or how does it occur or how does the occurance system (process, cycle) work out, what does it do and when can I expect to see these things done.
                    maybe this will help you gain the understanding you wanted from these verses?

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                      Peace
                      I have two verses I cant understand correct.

                      1. 31.34 With God is the knowledge regarding the Hour. And He sends down the rain, and He knows what is inside the wombs. No soul knows what it may gain tomorrow, nor does any soul know in which land it will die. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.

                      Is this true? What if you are close to die. May you not know in which country you?r going ti die?
                      Okay maybe you cant be 100% sure, but when you are lie and taking the last breath, I think you know, or?

                      1. 32.3 Or do they say "He fabricated it!" No, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn a people who never received a warner before you, in order that they may be guided.

                      Here it must be the bringer of the Quran (Muhammed) the text is about.
                      Is it true that there wasn?t send a warner to this people. I thinking What about Abraham, wasn?t he there before?
                      Or maybe he wasn?t a warner

                      I hope I can get some help to understand these two verses.

                      God bless

                      1. We do not know for sure if Abraham was exactly where Mohammad was.

                      2. Just because Abraham was there does not mean he was a Warner for those people.
                        Actually that would lead me to question you about your understanding because you are probably referring to Abraham settling some of his offspring near the Sacred House. In this case, how could Abraham be a Warner for his offspring who he only settled or delegated to a specific location?
                        Remember warners come to towns where people transgress in affluence and wealth and etcetera.
                        If Abraham is your concern then it is not too sound.

                      3. Our understanding of communities, people's and lineages may also not be par with reality or history.

                      4. Mohammad's people never received a Warner from themselves
                        Before Mohammad warners came from children of Israel

                      5. Quran makes a distinction between the Bani Israel and the people of Mohammad

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