Nobody seems to have yet refuted the following article...
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Salam,
...http//www.submission.org/islam/milat_abraham.html
Ive not seen any refute 2 the above article so far. If anyone has made such plz inform me of tht. GOD Bless!first you must take the Rashad glasses off....then you might see something...you are not following Abraham, but you are following Rashad and his was of the idolaters...
best wishes
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Salam,
...http//www.submission.org/islam/milat_abraham.html
Ive not seen any refute 2 the above article so far. If anyone has made such plz inform me of tht. GOD Bless!first you must take the Rashad glasses off....then you might see something...you are not following Abraham, but you are following Rashad and his was of the idolaters...
best wishes
Khi- Dont introduce a red herring plz. . GOD Bless!
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Salam,
There is nothing there needs to be refuted nor to agree... after all you should identify clearly what is meant by millat.
And here we go ..The word in question is " Millat " derived from the word "yumli" dictated.
The word millat is meant by those who would accept what was dictated on Abraham" ! It is not neceesarily would mean rituals! But the main point - Monotheist.
And since Prophet Mohamed was not at that time aware of "what was dictated on Abraham" , our Lord here is encourging Mohamed that since the Jahilliyah people were debating Mohammed that they were following prophet Ibrahim, therefore our Lord is telling Mohammed to rest assure in that what our Lord is giving you Mohamed is the same what was given to Ibrahim, and on same time advising Mohommed not to follow the jahilliya wishes (their wishes), since they are not following Ibrahim, but their wishes.Therefore, I believe that what was revealed on Quran at the end is same what was dictated to Abraham - through Suhuf Ibrahim ...leaflets of Ibrahim.
Peace,
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Salam,
Theres a smple quote from tht article i posted which i want 2 makeIt is claimed by free minds
< What is 'Millat Ibraheem'? These are the verses 16123, 2135, 3 95, 4125,6161,'he was a monotheist and not idol worship' ?..
It is thus obvious that God is giving us the definition of the words 'millat Ibraheem' as being Monotheism (as opposed to idol worship).>>
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This is not true. If you know Arabic, you will realize right away that the words (Hanifan Mosleman) is the description of Abraham not the Milat, as you claim. To define the word "Milat" in Arabic, God would have said that Milat Ibrahim, Al Hanifa. "Milat" in Arabic is a feminine word, while Ibrahim is a masculine word. The description of "Hanifan Musliman" is for a masculine figure (Ibrahim) not the Milat. God used the same description in other verses where Ibrahim is only mentioned without the word Milat. See 367
God deliberately does not want to say what you want to claim. As you will see later in this reply, the "Milat" is the way to practice the religion and not just the faith.
For Abraham to be Hanifan does not define what is a " Milat", it defines his faith in principle, as a person. Noah was a submitter monotheist but God did not tell Muahmmed ( or any of the other prophets) to follow Noah as he did NOT receive any rituals for his monotheistic submission. Abraham and his children were the first and last ones to receive such rituals. Every subsequent generation inherited what Ibrahim (Abraham) received from God. The Arabic dictionary defines the word "Milat" as the way to practice religion (Tariqat). You have to realize that this whole article (e-mail ) is built from the very beginning on this basic misinformation and accordingly it is all built on a wrong concept but I will continue to reply to it any way.
Now you may try to answer these questions for yourself to understand this issue
Was not Noah a monotheist and not an idol-worshiper ?
Was not Joseph a monotheist and not an idol-worshiper ?
Was not Moses a monotheist and not an idol-worshiper ?
Was not Jesus a monotheist and not an idol-worshiper ?Why did not God tell Muhammed then to follow Milat Noah, Joseph, Moses or Jesus ?
What is the difference between Ibrahim and Noah in the Quran ?
Khi- Any replies? GOD Bless!
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Salam,
It is true that the description made for Ibrahim as hanifan is for Ibrahim only. where it means a sincere Submittor.
The word hanafa would mean dedicate to, and Ibrahim is a dedicated submittor to his Lord.
Those who dedicate themselves to their Lord are described as monotheist ,since he only pursue his Lord satisfaction and not any other besides Him.Peace,
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Salam,
It is true that the description made for Ibrahim as hanifan is for Ibrahim only. where it means a sincere Submittor.
The word hanafa would mean dedicate to, and Ibrahim is a dedicated submittor to his Lord.
Those who dedicate themselves to their Lord are described as monotheist ,since he only pursue his Lord satisfaction and not any other besides Him.Peace,
Khi- Salam. Yes but wht abt the word 'Millat' then? Tht cant be referring 2 monotheism then but a certain practice(s) of Abraham n this is exactly the pt which is made at s.org tht we have 2 follow the inherited rituals i.e. Millat-e-Ibtaheem n Muhammad was asked 2 follow them too in 16123. After all y didnt GOD ask Muhammad 2 follow Millat-e-Noah who was a prophet be4 Abraham or Jesus or Moses? GOD Bless!
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the article /link posted is a proof of submisison.org being but a sunnie sect...they also folow sunnat of muhamad....its just that they call it different -millah of ibraheem...
and note the exactly same abusement of the quran ....sunnies say obey messenger = obey Hadith/5 ritual prayers/2,5% zakat/etc....
submision org and alike say follow milah of ibrahim= obey appendices of Rashad/5 ritual prayers/2,5% zakat/etc
these two sects are demonstrating behaviour of the perverted hearts following mutashabihat/ambiguous/unrestrained messages of the book seeking discord/seduction/to misled and seeking to interpret Quran(37)
best wishes -
the article /link posted is a proof of submisison.org being but a sunnie sect...they also folow sunnat of muhamad....its just that they call it different -millah of ibraheem...
and note the exactly same abusement of the quran ....sunnies say obey messenger = obey Hadith/5 ritual prayers/2,5% zakat/etc....
submision org and alike say follow milah of ibrahim= obey appendices of Rashad/5 ritual prayers/2,5% zakat/etc
these two sects are demonstrating behaviour of the perverted hearts following mutashabihat/ambiguous/unrestrained messages of the book seeking discord/seduction/to misled and seeking to interpret Quran(37)
best wishesKhi- Instead of making baseless accuastions maybe u cld just have refuted tht article in a sensible manner addressing the issues. GOD Bless!