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Whether God could create a God?

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    Man_of_Faith
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    They were rhetorical questions.

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      fye
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      can god answer a rethorical question?
      lol

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        Man_of_Faith
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        A rhetorical question is intended to make the hearer/reader reflect.

        Be safe
        Amenuel

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          fye
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          that answer is making me reflect... lol

          great posting faith man.

          have you ever thought of how many times that question has been asked? probably since man was created or something.

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Hello fye,

            Obviously Rabb follows a system of logic too in the matter of efficiency. What is better than being the infrastructure itself and letting all the growing consciousnesses interconnect and be actual beings within in order to expand the (mental) activity. Our growth as persons is measured in how independent our consciousness is rather than a mindless slave to a system. Very instinctive persons who live for the World are as much as dead, lifeless. They do in fact not exist even if they delude themselves enough to think so but in fact they follow very predictable patterns. That deception is quite creepy actually. The more you lose yourself to the World the more you become "blind" and Satan (the instinct) takes over.

            Certain people are worse than others. Just for being interested in reading my posts then perhaps your consciousness is above average. Otherwise you might had bought Islam wholesale, even Quranism which is a lightweight Islam.

            Just like much else, religion is much a distraction and especially the rituals and rites may preoccupy the mind including all the time thinking whether you perform some mindless practices properly for a Rabb that does anyways not need it due to being an advanced phenomenon. The best you can do for Rabb is doing what you were made for, being useful to Rabb and the only way you can be useful is by expanding your mind within the infrastructure of Himself. You better exist or you do not exist at all. Boost your faith in yourself, boost your faith in 'Who Is' (Allah) and be one with Him, all integrated. Rabb is 100% Oneness. No separated god entity. Either you be Rabb or you be not at all. Jesus taught that, but they did not like it and most Jews went rampant against him and even created an anti-association sect called Islam which they claimed means submission while the root means healty/sound ( its derivative fundamental root means comfortable/peaceful/harmonious).

            What makes a person sound is the ability to on a decent level utilize logic and reason because your consciousness works well. What makes it even higher is the independent thought to be able to process information on a way unbiased and own intelligence rather than falling for what others claim and see the mistake in their arguments. This person simply knows things because the mind is clearer.

            Be safe
            Amenuel

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              uq
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              Hi RG Marshall,

              You pose an interesting question.

              Let us first avoid the ambiguity of terms by defining "God" (with a capital G).

              God is the creator of all things. God was not created. God is omniscient and omnipotent. God is not in need of anyone, or of anything.

              I will divide the post into two parts

              Logic

              The answer to your question is given in the Quran 2122 and 1742.

              We read elsewhere in the Quran that "Surely, God is, over all things, very capable." This statement is absolute, and occurs with no qualification, as such, we can infer that God is capable of creating another god.

              However, the Quran is clear that, if other gods did exist, two matters are implicated 1) creation as we know it would only exist in dysfunctional aberration, and 2) any other hypothetical gods would work against god.

              Grammar

              There are two words for "if" in Classical Arabic, one is the conditional "if" ( ) and the other is the hypothetical "if" ( ).

              The conditional "if" is used in cases where the speaker expects one of two outcomes to be the case, as "If you see John, speak to him." So, John will either be seen and spoken to, or he will not be seen, and therefore not spoken to.

              The hypothetical "if" is used in cases where the speaker hypothesises something to be the case while knowing that it cannot be the case, as "If I were born 100 years ago, I would have witnessed many things." The speaker knows that what he is saying cannot be the case, but he only hypothesises.

              This is why in 2122 and in 1742 God uses the hypothetical "if" ( ). God is capable of creating another god, but it will not happen for the two reasons given above.

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                We read elsewhere in the Quran that "Surely, God is, over all things, very capable." This statement is absolute, and occurs with no qualification, as such, we can infer that God is capable of creating another god.

                Hi,

                God is not a creation. Every thing that He creates is per definition not God.
                The question has to be like Can God create a god who is not created? And this is a stupid question.

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                  Bender
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                  ps. God is not a "shay(in)"

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                    amin
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                    The truthful answer should be we dont know.
                    Even we don't know who is God or what is God completely. His sacredness and hidden nature proves it.

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                      hanslan
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                      Salaam,

                      Yes. God could create a God and we who pass the test here will be like mini-gods when we leave this life. When you exist in the image of Allah then you are basically a god, even if that you in all are only one. It is you who thus should not exist but you exist in Allah and Allah exists in you in symbiosis. This is how Jesus was misunderstood and deified.

                      For clarification can be said though that in real there are no "gods" however but only one kind of consciousness that one can choose to be part of. 'The Borg' in Star Trek are a good example of how it works. But existing it is like being a god.

                      Salaam

                      Yes Allah has created Gods but not another Allah. Allah is not God. God is a creation, we achieve godhood when Allah allows us to use the attributes (commonly the 99 names) that he gave to humans. We use them everyday mostly to develop and create civilisation and of course to overpower other humans. But only the very few achieve so called godhood, but when these individuals achieve this status they behave at the optimum level a human being can achieve where the world is made to serve them however their appreciation of Allah is greater thus the individual no longer have common desire to rule like a God but rather enjoy lasting blissful peace in Allah unless Allah assigns the individual for specific task (eg the individual who Moses was supposed to learn from). Isa brought the 'good news' after the 10 commandments and corruptions that followed, but the concept is complicated to comprehend just like when the Quran states I am close to you than your jugular vein.

                      Just like any creation, a failed creation/human is send to the furnace for waste disposal (its not living there!)

                      Just my understanding.

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